Spiral Dynamics Stage Green Examples Mega-Thread

[Forestluv]

31 minutes ago, Rilles said:

Bill Nye is tapping into some Green, notice the triggered people in the comments. 

This is a great example of someone (Bill Nye) evolving from Orange to Green. And it's super helpful in pulling up low Orange.

Notice how he states that Blue level binary constructs are too simple and becomes grounded in Orange - spectral thinking and physical aspects (such as chromosomes and hormones). He then starts to touch about the relativity and fluidity on gender identity - yet just a touch.

It's also clear that he is not at a Yellow level integrating Orange science with Green relativity. These are new discoveries for him - he mentions them as new insights he finds interesting. We can draw a distinction here with someone like Deepak Chopra that has Tier2 metacognition and is looking from 'above'. 

12 minutes ago, Peter-Andre said:

@Rilles Actually, I'm wondering if one really needs to be at stage green to accept the basic science of sex and gender. A scientifically, rational person (orange) shouldn't really be triggered by the fact that gender is a spectrum. Getting mad at science when it contradicts traditional world views seems like more of a stage blue thing. But I guess stage green people might be more readily accepting of the idea? I'm not really sure. I'd love to get some input from others on this.

Stage blue is a binary either male or female. . . Either gay or straight. Stage Orange can see spectrums along a continuum. Yet at Orange, this continuum is generally based more on physical. Orange has a harder time seeing spectrums in immaterial, relative contexts. As well, they may have some resistance since Orange is self-centered and they may interpret relativity as threatening to their self.  

[Rilles]

1 hour ago, Forestluv said:

This is a great example of someone (Bill Nye) evolving from Orange to Green. And it's super helpful in pulling up low Orange.

Notice how he states that Blue level binary constructs are too simple and becomes grounded in Orange - spectral thinking and physical aspects (such as chromosomes and hormones). He then starts to touch about the relativity and fluidity on gender identity - yet just a touch.

It's also clear that he is not at a Yellow level integrating Orange science with Green relativity. These are new discoveries for him - he mentions them as new insights he finds interesting. We can draw a distinction here with someone like Deepak Chopra that has Tier2 metacognition and is looking from 'above'. 

Yeah, those Orange that want to get pulled up. Orange entering phase tends to have alot of aversion to LGBTQ ideas as being icky. Remember Blue/Orange men are still very stuck in the Toxic Masculinity paradigm. As we see from the dislike/like ratio most people get scared when Bill starts even mentioning these sorts of "radicaaal" ideas. Bill seems to have been hanging around the right people and he seems pretty open-minded, will be interesting to see him evolve. 

[ItsNick]

@Rilles The dislikes though lol

Triggered Blue and Orange

[Rilles]

 

[Rilles]

 

[Forestluv]

@Rilles Yea, there is a lot of distance between low Orange and high Orange. Sometimes SDers get sloppy with distinctions and group them together. 

[Preety_India]

@Forestluv do you mean low orange in the sense toxic orange? 

 

[Forestluv]

2 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

@Forestluv do you mean low orange in the sense toxic orange? 

I'm referring to less developed / immature Orange. This can be expressed as toxic though. 

[Rilles]

Each stage has an entering/PEAK/decline phase, which you could also write blue/orange   ->   ORANGE   ->  orange/green.

In the entering phase Orange looks like the most amazing perspective, something completely new, you might be so enthralled by it you get lost in for years or your entire life.

Decline is more like, "Hm...  this lifestyle/values Isn't doing it for me anymore... what else is there?"

...and remember its just a model so it might not look exactly like this in real life, ballparkin.

 

@Preety_India

Edited October 13, 2020 by Rilles

[supremeyingyang]

I don't knew them before I got a recommendation on Youtube and I immediately thought about this thread. Healthy Green, yay! Enjoy!

Edited October 13, 2020 by supremeyingyang

[Rilles]

 

[Raze]

 

[TrustTheProcess]

32 minutes ago, Raze said:

 

oh god...

[Preety_India]

I think there is a tendency to make fun of stage Green and to paint it in a negative way. Like they are childish bobble heads. 

But remember that there are hardcore activitists out there who fight and even sacrifice their lives so that certain marginalized groups can get justice or basic rights. These are not crazy people 

Maybe from the comfort of your room, everything looks crazy. Look at people who are actually doing something rather than some flippant people on YouTube making ridiculous calls and use that to stereotype Stage Green. 

Please don't do this. 

There is both healthy and unhealthy Green. Realize this please. 

 

[Leo Gura]

Some Green folk are nuts.

When left-wingers go too far into their upotian socialist ideals, they lose touch with the pragmatics of survival.

Ideas such as abolishing the police, military, and open borders will never work within our lifetimes. Although they are great ideas for later on, let's say in 500 years when the whole world has a higher standard of living where everyone is able to shop at Wholefoods.

[Preety_India]

@Leo Gura  should that be cherry picked and used to describe the entire group at stage Green. 

Also stage Green is pretty high up there, you can't simply bypass it go to Tier 2, so you would have to have healthy aspects of Green in you to begin with. 

 

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Preety_India said:

should that be cherry picked and used to describe the entire group at stage Green.

We do that with each stage, so it's fair game. There do exist some extreme examples of Green, just like with any stage below it.

It's good to study the extremes of each stage, and also the healthy center.

[Preety_India]

 

Just now, Leo Gura said:

We do that with each stage, so it's fair game. There do exist some extreme examples of Green, just like with any stage below it.

Agreed 

[Rilles]

Deep...

And then funny... 

 

Edited October 16, 2020 by Rilles

[supremeyingyang]

@Rilles

That Turner/Sagan Video is Basic, but sadly no one gets it.
Offtopic: I contemplate for Years how I could help to Update the Education System in my Land, but it's so tedious. Almost no one has a Educational Reform as a Priority, while it's the most effective Method to improve a Society. And I want to get shit done in my life time. I really think my Life Purpose will be around Education, but I don't even have Companions who care.

'Socialism is when the Government does stuff!' - Turns out we already achieved global Socialism, in some Countries even Communism by that Definition :D:D

 

Edited October 17, 2020 by supremeyingyang