Spiral Dynamics Stage Green Examples Mega-Thread

[Extreme Z7]

10 minutes ago, CreamCat said:

I cannot be in denial of something I don't know about. If there is something like a system, it certainly wasn't centrally planned or designed by a small group of people. The game industry organically grew. There is no deliberate design to it.

Saying game industry was centrally designed to be shitty is like saying africa's shitty situation was centrally designed by a tiny group of central committee.

I did not say it was purposefully designed. The fact that it became that way naturally is not even a good thing.
Also, that's a red herring. The specific way in which the system came to be is not what's relevant here
 

15 minutes ago, CreamCat said:

That's your interpretation. I can interpret that young immature men are too eager, too gullible, or too desperate.

Wisdom is not laziness. It doesn't make much sense to work hard for free for someone else's benefits.

I had a feeling you were going to say that. That's still sexist, though. You're engaging with the stereo-type of boys being dumb, low-brow neanderthals and girls being down-to-earth, pragmatic independent thinkers.

The actual issue here is that the AAA game industry as a whole still appeals largely to a male audience so of course, most aspiring game devs who want to work in big game companies will be male.

[CreamCat]

48 minutes ago, Extreme Z7 said:

The actual issue here is that the AAA game industry as a whole still appeals largely to a male audience so of course, most aspiring game devs who want to work in big game companies will be male.

I don't care that much whether a certain big industry caters to men or women or monkeys. All of it is totally out of my control.

Let me remind you that there are also toxic femininity cultures in female-dominated industries.

That's also out of my control.

In my opinion, workers need more attention than customers who can just avoid the products or services. In game industry, men rat each other out to managers, so they cannot form unions. In some female-dominated industries, women harass each other to suicide and depression. Just adding more women to game industry doesn't make it better if the quality of women you add to it is not better than the quality of men in game industry. Given that game industry tends to attract shitty men, it can easily attract shitty women, too.

Edited November 29, 2019 by CreamCat

[DnoReally]

10 hours ago, CreamCat said:

In my country, there are large organized teams of radical feminists who leave comments just to call my country's men tiny dicks.

Where are you from dude, holy shit

[CreamCat]

16 hours ago, DnoReally said:

Where are you from dude, holy shit

I don't want to reveal my location for privacy reasons. It's not a third world country.

[SoothedByRain]

Artistic Stage Green response to the election of Donald Trump. 

"Ring me ring me ring me up,

The President,

Find out where my baby went,

Ring me ring me ring me up,

The FBI,

Find out if my babys alive."

[SoothedByRain]

 

[V-8]

 

Overall not much interested in the Substance Stages of SD, although most should be, because militant Greens ( NO SAFE SPACES) have the potential of plunging humanity into another Dark Age, as Blue (SD 4) did a millennia ago,...not in the name of some theistic belief, but an Aquarian belief in pluralism, such as everyone gets a prize.  

I do disagree with several "key words" from the first post:

Intuition over logic:   Green acts from feeling, not intuition.  "99% of what you feel is actually based on what you're thinking" - Adyashanti

Openmindedness:  implies a willingness to consider new ideas.  "First-tier thinkers (first 6 substance levels of Spiral Dynamics) cannot recognize the Second-tier on their own, and react negatively if challenged; lashing out whenever it is threatened."  Clare Graves

Spirituality:  Most have a personal definition of Spirituality, which has no grasp of Spirit.  Spirit....from the Latin spiritus, or breath,...relates to the in-breath (yang, masculine energy) and out-breath (yin, feminine energy) of duality's phenomenal world,...that is, how this illusory Dream reality breaths.  Spirit ONLY exists within the perception of separation.  Without separation, there is no Spirit.  Spirituality should imply that one has an awareness of the nature of Spirit,...Particle/Wave, Sphere/Torus, Yang/Yin.  

Femininity:   is among the most misunderstood words.  I've actually written a book on the subject called 'Collage - for integration with the Feminine.'   As for why the term feminine should not be associated with Green, nor any of the Substance Stages (SD 1-6) is this:  the Feminine of Duality is not a gender of Form, but the Wave of a Particle.

Compassion:  Yes, Greens like to view themselves as compassionate, yet it is merely a relative compassion.  Real Compassion belongs with Turquoise (SD 8).  "Buddhist teachings on compassion are grounded in the direct realization of emptiness; without which, compassion is impossible." HH Dalai Lama.

"The realization of emptiness and compassion arise simultaneously.'  Padmasambhava

Soul:  Gurdjieff made an interesting comment about soul:  "Blessed is he who has a soul, blessed is he who has none, but woe and grief to him who has it in embryo."
"Contrary to many opinions, just because you have a self, doesn't mean you have a soul."  Gabrielle Roth
"When we lack integrity, our souls can't inhabit us."  Gabrielle Roth

Heart:  from a spiritual point of view, any discussion of Heart should include the differences between Thymos/gnowledge and Psyche/knowledge.  Greens are not ready for such a discussion.

Love:  from a relative point of view there are many types of love which can be associated with the Substance Stages of SD,...biological, chemical, instinctual, emotional, or mental feelings.  Agape is an example of  mental love,...1 Cor 13:7 describes it as, "love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.”  This form of love, that is, bearing, believing, hoping and enduring is not authentic love, but the submission, devotion, expectation and suffering to the conditions of their religions brewed beliefs.

"Love can never dominate the world until man ceases to live a primarily sensed existence and knows the Light of the spirit within him" - Walter Russell

Edited December 13, 2019 by V-8

[remember]

2 hours ago, V-8 said:

Intuition over logic:   Green acts from feeling, not intuition.  "99% of what you feel is actually based on what you're thinking" - Adyashanti

that`s wrong, intuition is part of all stages and green is def rediscovering intuition although yes green is acting on feeling but so is red - even the adyashanti quote can be read like a equation as the reversing circuit is equally possible:

99% of what you think is actually based on what you are feeling. this is because there is not really a difference between a thought and an emotion, emotion and thought and intuition are intertwined and can not be seperated. in that sense like red, green can be kind of impulsive, more sensual or analytic but this is based on other colours that play a roll in greens individual development, green has an intuitive access to emotions. all you criticise is that their intuitive access is based on that rather than on sytems thinking, green is where sytems thinking starts though it is the stage where a lot of basic knowledge about sytems is gathered. so again green approaches everything more intuitively.

2 hours ago, V-8 said:

Openmindedness:  implies a willingness to consider new ideas.  "First-tier thinkers (first 6 substance levels of Spiral Dynamics) cannot recognize the Second-tier on their own, and react negatively if challenged; lashing out whenever it is threatened."  Clare Graves

this is a relative notice - green is the first stage that is openminded. ego control and openmindedness don`t confuse these two.

2 hours ago, V-8 said:

Spirituality:  Most have a personal definition of Spirituality, which has no grasp of Spirit.  Spirit....from the Latin spiritus, or breath,...relates to the in-breath (yang, masculine energy) and out-breath (yin, feminine energy) of duality's phenomenal world,...that is, how this illusory Dream reality breaths.  Spirit ONLY exists within the perception of separation.  Without separation, there is no Spirit.  Spirituality should imply that one has an awareness of the nature of Spirit,...Particle/Wave, Sphere/Torus, Yang/Yin.  

what the op refers to is not the spiritual definition of spirituality, but the approach of green towards the world - green starts to intuit spirituality. you are pretty blue here expecting others to have the same spirituality as you have.

2 hours ago, V-8 said:

Femininity:   is among the most misunderstood words.  I've actually written a book on the subject called 'Collage - for integration with the Feminine.'   As for why the term feminine should not be associated with Green, nor any of the Substance Stages (SD 1-6) is this:  the Feminine of Duality is not a gender of Form, but the Wave of a Particle.

green starts to leave patriarchal power structures, and in rediscovering a venus symbol it is def a gender of form.

2 hours ago, V-8 said:

Compassion:  Yes, Greens like to view themselves as compassionate, yet it is merely a relative compassion.  Real Compassion belongs with Turquoise (SD 8).  "Buddhist teachings on compassion are grounded in the direct realization of emptiness; without which, compassion is impossible." HH Dalai Lama.

"The realization of emptiness and compassion arise simultaneously.'  Padmasambhava

again green starts to discover, and green also gives their best, so yes green is already compassionate, even a master had to start as a child.

2 hours ago, V-8 said:

Soul:  Gurdjieff made an interesting comment about soul:  "Blessed is he who has a soul, blessed is he who has none, but woe and grief to him who has it in embryo."
"Contrary to many opinions, just because you have a self, doesn't mean you have a soul."  Gabrielle Roth
"When we lack integrity, our souls can't inhabit us."  Gabrielle Roth

depends on definition of soul and your beliefs - if you believe everything has soul, there can`t be a soulless being except those who say they don`t own one, maybe they are one. (couldn`t find anything about it in the op).

2 hours ago, V-8 said:

Heart:  from a spiritual point of view, any discussion of Heart should include the differences between Thymos/gnowledge and Psyche/knowledge.  Greens are not ready for such a discussion.

if greens are not ready for a discussion about heart, it might be that they are still stuck in blue - heart chakra can be emotionally perceived if you are not ready to discuss heart chakra with green, maybe you are not there yet? sorry to be that blunt.

2 hours ago, V-8 said:

Love:  from a relative point of view there are many types of love which can be associated with the Substance Stages of SD,...biological, chemical, instinctual, emotional, or mental feelings.  Agape is an example of  mental love,...1 Cor 13:7 describes it as, "love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.”  This form of love, that is, bearing, believing, hoping and enduring is not authentic love, but the submission, devotion, expectation and suffering to the conditions of their religions brewed beliefs.

that`s a definition of blue, not green.

Edited December 13, 2019 by remember

[V-8]

remember said
"if greens are not ready for a discussion about heart, it might be that they are still stuck in blue - heart chakra can be emotionally perceived if you are not ready to discuss heart chakra with green, maybe you are not there yet? sorry to be that blunt."

Thanks for proving my point.

Yes,...I understand it can be very difficult to hear that what you believe to be meaningful, is actually meaningless. At least Yellow (SD 7) would be open to learning at any time and from any source,  like bees that gather nectar from many flowers,...the Substance Levels are as caterpillars,...feeding off the land,...without the slightest idea of what a butterfly is.

As I quoted from Clare Graves, "First-tier thinkers (first 6 substance levels of Spiral Dynamics) cannot recognize the Second-tier on their own, and react negatively if challenged; lashing out whenever it is threatened."  

The lower 6 Substance Levels of Spiral Dynamics are tough places to be,...they believe they know all these things relative to their SD level, yet at Second-Tier all those beliefs are irrelevant.

The lower 6 Substance Levels of Spiral Dynamics are Sentient levels,...Sentient Beings in need of liberation from their sentience (as the Bodhisattva vow implies).

 "The senses do not grasp reality in any way" Socrates

"Recognize that everything you see and think is a falsehood, an illusion, a veil over the truth" - Lao-tzu

"The senses do not know, but man believes that his senses do know--and in that belief lies man's confusion" - Walter Russell  

“All that I have tried to understand to the present time has been affected by my senses; now I know these senses are deceivers, and it is prudent to be distrustful after one has been deceived once.” René Descartes

"True understanding does not follow from the sense-organs."  Buddha

"The only thing I do know is that when you open your eyes and look out into the world, there's one thing you are not seeing, and that is Now." Hinze Hogendoorn

“Phenomenally, we can know no present, as it must be in the ‘past’ before our senses can complete the process of recording it, leaving only a suppositional past and future; noumenally, there is no question of ‘past’ or ‘future,’ but only a presence that knows neither ‘time’ nor ‘space.’ ” Wei Wu Wei

"The entire illusion was never really there,
The six sense-organs are also thus."  Guan Yin/ Avalokitesvara

"the ego is a monkey catapulting through the jungle; totally fascinated by the realm of the senses....if anyone threaten it, it actually fears for its life. Let this monkey go. Let the senses go."   Lao-tzu

"Do not seek it in the visible, or you'll be at it forever with no real results.  It's not visible, it's not part of the senses, it's before the senses, prior to the senses."  - Bentinho Massaro

"you think the material universe is all there is?  What mysteries lie beyond the reach of your senses?  Who are you Dr Strange?"  Ancient One; Dr Strange 2016

"Love can never dominate the world until man ceases to live a primarily sensed existence and knows the Light of the spirit within him" - Walter Russell

[SoothedByRain]

Make America Rage Again

[Jordan A]

 

Gary Vaynerchuck talking about how many guys would be more happier as stay at home dads and many women would be happier as the financial strength but societies norms are keeping people from their authentic traits. Do you think, this is an example of post modern, stage green thinking, that  often times people's identities do not fit the categories that society displays for us?

Thank you

[Chi_]

Drug prevention campaigns in Norway

[Leo Gura]

"John DID NOT DIE from eating a cheeseburger. He dosed correctly and his friends were in the room to help him."

Lol

Putting LSD next to heroin and the word "die" is absurd. The only thing that will die is your big fat ego.

[Girzo]

@Leo Gura, I guess that's why they wrote: "she'd had the substance tested". You could only harm yourself if it was NBOMe or some other phenethylamine.

[Leo Gura]

@Girzo More people die from lettuce than psychedelics. When was the last time you had your lettuce tested?

But I get your point.

 

[Chi_]

@Leo Gura Yeah I don't like that they put LSD and heroin in the same advertisement but atleast it's still a more evolved drug overdose prevention campaign than we find anywhere else in the world

[Apparition of Jack]

@Etherial Cat The emerging Stage Green society is still dealing with its Blue and Orange shadows. Backlashes like this are to be expected as even well-meaning people struggle with their own underdevelopment. A lot of the new Green energy probably had Orange or even Blue parents, which will obviously have left an imprint.

We’ll get there though. 

[Apparition of Jack]

@Etherial Cat Prior to running for President, Trump was a Democrat. He supported gun legislation, has a strong anti-war bent to him and has said things off the cuff like "I love everybody", a very stage Green sentiment to have (and my gut tells me a least part of him truly believes that.) He seems pretty liberal when it comes to things like sexual identity and lifestyle choices, and in my estimation he doesn't have the psychology of a conservative.

The problem is that all of this is vastly overshadowed by his unhealthy Red and Orange, as well as some elements of Blue. The power dynamics of the toxic stage Red/Blue/Orange environments he puts himself in means that this Green shadow will never manifest in this lifetime. Had something different happened in his life - had he stumbled upon a hippie commune as a young man, or not been treated so poorly by his father, or something else to that degree - it's possible he may have developed this shadow more and ended up as just a usual, liberal NY socialite, instead of a toxic chauvinist president. Don't get me wrong, he still would've been deeply embedded in Red and Orange, as he is today, and controversy still would've followed him, but those aspects of him would've been tempered by a slighter deeper understanding of Green that could've made him less power-thirsty and narcissistic.

Edited January 3, 2020 by Apparition of Jack

[prkson69]

This movie is pretty much about orange transforming into green

[SoothedByRain]

Steve Cutts has multiple stage green artistic videos on his channel

Edited January 5, 2020 by SoothedByRain