Islam vs actualized.org

[LordFall]

2 hours ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

Seems like you want to discuss this from an individual POV, as in, which lifestyle do you think is better, rather than from a societal/political point of view, considering we are in the societal/political section, it might make sense to focus on the latter.

The meat of the matter really, is that human secular societies (actualized.org is completely irrelevant in this instance, and always will be) are fundamentally unsustainable. Secularism is essentially a bullish bet on human individualism and technological progress, which are suppose to replace the void of killing a God/Gods. But if you let humans do whatever they want to do without any sort of cultural or religious pressure, what will happen is that humans will slowly make themselves extinct. And I don't see "stage green" having any answer to this issue whatsoever at all, in fact "stage green" society is impossible (and funny thing is, you can't actually prove me WRONG if you think otherwise lol). That is not to say that you should be in awe, or automatically subscribe to "stage blue" either, but "stage blue" is where the true sustainability of any civilization is at. And I mean, prove me wrong. You can't

You make some good meta points I think you're correct that specifically stage green is not a viable structure for a group to operate in long term. We are basically in the west already half living in a stage green society. That's what the whole DEI movement is based on. Feelings, inclusivity, reducing competition, etc. It's still split between orange and blue but there have been plenty of pure stage green organizations and groups that form in the form of hippie communes or intentional communities and they always fall apart because fundamentally stage green is anti logic due to its rejection of stage orange and thus throws the baby out with the bathwater with structures that work.

Communism is the best example where it's a purely untenable idea and stage red/blue leaders co-opt the philosophical frame work to create states with it like the USSR and Cuba and end up killing the idealists that originally championed those thoughts. 

[Joseph Maynor]

Some people have a calling for God before they even learn about spirituality.  

[Heaven]

You look at life in a selfish manner rather than seeking Truth.

It’s a bandaid for your unhappiness. 
Looking on life is such a narrow perspective will come back at you eventually and then you will grow up.

Its a normal process moving from Blue in the spiral upwards 

[Husseinisdoingfine]

On 8/9/2026 at 4:44 PM, Majed said:

Dating wise actualized.org focuses on pick up artistry and hook up culture. Which i would argue is dramatically less fulfilling than islamic marriage and raising a family. 

I was almost involved in a Muslim marriage because of my family trying to set me up in an arranged marriage situation.

I can tell you that Islamic marriages are backwards, primitive mentality, and its not something you want to get involved with. 

Their attitudes towards marriage comes with all sorts of problems because its incredibly outdated in the modern world. 

[enchanted]

1 hour ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

I was almost involved in a Muslim marriage because of my family trying to set me up in an arranged marriage situation.

I can tell you that Islamic marriages are backwards, primitive mentality, and its not something you want to get involved with. 

Their attitudes towards marriage comes with all sorts of problems because its incredibly outdated in the modern world. 

The modern world has worse outcomes for marriage and the couples report being unhappier in modern marriages. 

70% of our happiness is tied to our relationships yet the modern world leaves this part of our lives to chance and "feelings" of young inexperienced people. Why not take a lesson from traditional cultures and get the wisdom of the elders involved and the trial and error of thousands of years?

Leo as said similar too regarding the modern world being less happy. 

https://youtu.be/kRMcimuuk0Q?si=S-NNUkqBLeMCe03V

^Great interview with Allen De Botton regarding this topic in Big Think

 

Edited 3 hours ago by enchanted

[Leo Gura]

Islam is designed for pre-rational minds.

Actualized.org is designed for post-post-rational minds.

In a certain sense it is easier to be happy as a pre-rational mind. Then again, if you think Muslims are truly happy, you are kidding yourself.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[LordFall]

32 minutes ago, enchanted said:

The modern world has worse outcomes for marriage and the couples report being unhappier in modern marriages. 

70% of our happiness is tied to our relationships yet the modern world leaves this part of our lives to chance and "feelings" of young inexperienced people. Why not take a lesson from traditional cultures and get the wisdom of the elders involved and the trial and error of thousands of years?

Leo as said similar too regarding the modern world being less happy. 

https://youtu.be/kRMcimuuk0Q?si=S-NNUkqBLeMCe03V

^Great interview with Allen De Botton regarding this topic in Big Think

 

Worst outcomes sure because divorce is not tolerated much in Islamic and other religious communities, do you have statistics for reporting being unhappier in modern marriages?

[Stick]

3 hours ago, enchanted said:

The modern world has worse outcomes for marriage and the couples report being unhappier in modern marriages. 

70% of our happiness is tied to our relationships yet the modern world leaves this part of our lives to chance and "feelings" of young inexperienced people. Why not take a lesson from traditional cultures and get the wisdom of the elders involved and the trial and error of thousands of years?

Leo as said similar too regarding the modern world being less happy. 

https://youtu.be/kRMcimuuk0Q?si=S-NNUkqBLeMCe03V

^Great interview with Allen De Botton regarding this topic in Big Think

 

the reason similar statistics regarding happiness of a couple is not reflected in traditional marriages is because you are not allowed to report unsatisfaction.