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[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, meta_male said:

@Leo Gura As someone who grew up in a cult, I don't think this helps your case. I understand you want respectful discussion but banning the label is going to make people who are undecided more suspicious..

I don't care. Such people cannot be reasoned with anyway. They are not who I work for.

1 hour ago, Monster Energy said:

Why does it matter if people call you a cult leader or not?

If I wasn't interacting with it, it wouldn't much matter. But I am not interested in interacting with intelligence so low.

At the end of the day I have to be here consuming garbage that causes me to lose IQ points just reading it.

You don't get to go to MIT and accuse them of being a cult. They will just kick you out. And rightly so.

This idea that I am supposed to tolerate such behavior is itself wrong. No serious person would tolerate such accusations. It is like calling your profressor a rapist and then expecting him to still speak to you. No. That's not how life works.

You think Actualized.org is a cult? Great! Then I have nothing more to teach you. We have nothing further to discuss.

Anyone who thinks Actualized.org is a cult has no clue what I teach and will never grasp what I teach.

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Elliott]

As I said in the other thread I think the issue was their approach, it was abusive toward Leo and others, unnecessarily. 

[Leo Gura]

Please note that it is okay if your views differ from mine on issues. I am not looking for only yes-men here.

But this cult stuff is my red line.

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Wilhelm44]

28 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Please note that it is okay if your views differ from my on issues. I am not looking for only yes-men here.

How come you didn't just address their concerns directly at the time ?

1) Claiming to be the most conscious being on the planet

2) Making definitive claims about the awakening of others. (without saying that you could be wrong)

(There was a point nr 3, but I don't remember the details,

Found it: I'm quoting Zurew here:

3) If you add to that that he wont impose a false dichotomy on people who disagree with him on things he cares about (meaning giving room for people to disagree with him on things without them having to be self-deceived or dumb or not understanding etc) ,then that would significantly lower down things for me and that would be sufficient for me.

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Wilhelm44

[Sincerity]

@Leo Gura Honestly I think it’d be best if you just cleared up the air about the alien consciousness recording. „I was wrong, I don’t think now it’s possible” or „I still believe it’s possible”. Whatever. For the sake of transparency.

Clarifying this would clear up confusion.

Edited 2 hours ago by Sincerity

[Lyubov]

This place is not a cult because it’s just a bunch of people chatting on a message board. We aren’t even paying anything to be here and it’s not face to face.

It’s the reason why I think those retreats are a bad idea. It creates opportunities for Conor Murphy type people to come round and cult accusations to get thrown around. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Lyubov

[Novac08]

Wasn’t there a video where Leo discussed how all of society was a cult. Perhaps that term has been used a bit too loosely.

Edited 2 hours ago by Novac08
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[Miguel1]

35 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

@Leo Gura Honestly I think it’d be best if you just cleared up the air about the alien consciousness recording. „I was wrong, I don’t think now it’s possible” or „I still believe it’s possible”. Whatever. For the sake of transparency.

People who do listen to you, listen to you - and it’s double edged, in that they take under consideration both the pure (true) and the unpure (wrong) from you. So if you think now that what you said then was unpure (wrong), clarifying it heals the teachings and clears up confusion.

I agree with you, clearing that up would be good.

At the same time, I am with Leo. Enough is enough. There is a big difference between disagreeing and being disrespectful.

Anyone who has ever lead a team / community before, knows that you as a leader have to put a stop to disrespect, otherwise everything just goes to shit.

So, not only should Leo put a stop to the disrespect for himself, but also to the overall wellbeing of the community.

Edited 2 hours ago by Miguel1

[Hayato]

Your forum your rules.

[Yimpa]

1 hour ago, Novac08 said:

Wasn’t there a video where Leo discussed how all of society was a cult. Perhaps that term has been used a bit too loosely.

Everyone has a different interpretation and experience of what x means. How attached they are to x is where things get messy.

(replace x with anything…. cult, God, enlightenment, psychedelics, science, women, Leo, etc.)

2:20:31 -

 

Edited 48 minutes ago by Yimpa

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, Someone here said:

Take a breather. Don’t just say outrageous nonsense in the heat of the moment . Take a break . If you want of course.

The joke is I don't think a cult is a bad thing yet you can get banned for thinking something is a cult 😃

Leo thinks it's a bad thing of course, and disagreeing with him on that fact (or whether Actualized.org is a cult) is supposedly a red line for him. But that was not why the three mods got demoted (thinking Actualized.org is a cult), not as far as I could gather.

But even the reason those mods got demoted and not at least two more, seems inconsistent to me and there was no explanation (except "vibe") on that inconsistency. The stated reason for my demotion (and presumably the others) was I purportedly "like to undermine some of the deepest things" Leo is trying to teach.

Presumably, Leo's deepest teachings are not about whether Actualized.org is a cult or not. I think it was about calling his teachings (in the perspective of non-dualism) "Maya", illusion, form, experience, relative, not Absolute (which if that qualifies as "undermining" his deepest teachings, then fair enough, dramatic, but hey, if you believe you believe).

But then, the two not-demoted mods I'm referring to seem to regularly echo my points in that realm. So again, it seems inconsistent. But hey, I've been speaking about inconsistencies quite some time now, it's not that I'm expecting anything different.

Just know it's not only about whether Actualized.org is a cult or not that you should be afraid to discuss openly. It's about discussing non-dualism, Enlightenment, in contrast to Leo's teachings. This fact I believe was well-established already 5 years ago when @Nahm was demoted. Him speaking "incomprehensively" I don't believe was the reason. It was him actively "undermining" Leo's teachings. History repeats itself.

Edited 56 minutes ago by Carl-Richard

[Monster Energy]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't care. Such people cannot be reasoned with anyway. They are not who I work for.

If I wasn't interacting with it, it wouldn't much matter. But I am not interested in interacting with intelligence so low.

At the end of the day I have to be here consuming garbage that causes me to lose IQ points just reading it.

You don't get to go to MIT and accuse them of being a cult. They will just kick you out. And rightly so.

This idea that I am supposed to tolerate such behavior is itself wrong. No serious person would tolerate such accusations. It is like calling your profressor a rapist and then expecting him to still speak to you. No. That's not how life works.

You think Actualized.org is a cult? Great! Then I have nothing more to teach you. We have nothing further to discuss.

Anyone who thinks Actualized.org is a cult has no clue what I teach and will never grasp what I teach.

Fair enough.

But then don’t be surprised when people make negative videos about you. They won’t see an enlightened teacher. They’ll see someone who always has to be right, and anyone who disagrees is simply dismissed as too unintelligent to understand.

How do you know someone using the word “cult” isn’t just operating from a mistaken first impression? If your goal is to deepen people’s understanding, why assume they’re beyond dialogue from the very beginning?

That’s been the pattern for years. Instead of engaging with criticism, you write people off. Whether you’re right or wrong, that’s how it looks from the outside.

 

 

[Jirh]

1 hour ago, Sincerity said:

@Leo Gura Honestly I think it’d be best if you just cleared up the air about the alien consciousness recording. „I was wrong, I don’t think now it’s possible” or „I still believe it’s possible”. Whatever. For the sake of transparency.

Clarifying this would clear up confusion.

He already addressed this issue when he brought up the idea of noise vs. signal. I don't remember when exactly.

He said his communications are mostly signals, but they can contain some noise.

That particular alien example was clearly noise.

Everyone makes mistakes. The question is: Can we let them go?

[Leo Gura]

There is no mistake. I will teach Alien Consciousness. Nobody has a clue what it is.

You guys still think I am playing games with you.

Edited 48 minutes ago by Leo Gura

[Jirh]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

There is no mistake. I will teach Alien Consciousness. Nobody has a clue what it is.

You guys still think I am playing games with you.

That's different from recording alien transformation.

Sign me up! I'm all ears.

[Cubbage]

@Leo Gura Looking forward to it. I don't wanna get too involved with the debate, but it's pretty clear from my own perspective that this is a natural evolution of your teachings and the spiritual domain in general. Thought you should know that a lot of us lurkers are all for it Leo, keep up the great work. I'm at a point in my spiritual journey where shedding the human is of utmost importance, so I welcome alien levels of mind with open arms 👾

[Harikrishnan]

56 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

The joke is I don't think a cult is a bad thing yet you can get banned for thinking something is a cult 😃

Leo thinks it's a bad thing of course, and disagreeing with him on that fact (or whether Actualized.org is a cult) is supposedly a red line for him. But that was not why the three mods got demoted (thinking Actualized.org is a cult), not as far as I could gather.

But even the reason those mods got demoted and not at least two more, seems inconsistent to me and there was no explanation (except "vibe") on that inconsistency. The stated reason for my demotion (and presumably the others) was I purportedly "like to undermine some of the deepest things" Leo is trying to teach.

Presumably, Leo's deepest teachings are not about whether Actualized.org is a cult or not. I think it was about calling his teachings (in the perspective of non-dualism) "Maya", illusion, form, experience, relative, not Absolute (which if that qualifies as "undermining" his deepest teachings, then fair enough, dramatic, but hey, if you believe you believe).

But then, the two not-demoted mods I'm referring to seem to regularly echo my points in that realm. So again, it seems inconsistent. But hey, I've been speaking about inconsistencies quite some time now, it's not that I'm expecting anything different.

Just know it's not only about whether Actualized.org is a cult or not that you should be afraid to discuss openly. It's about discussing non-dualism, Enlightenment, in contrast to Leo's teachings. This fact I believe was well-established already 5 years ago when @Nahm was demoted. Him speaking "incomprehensively" I don't believe was the reason. It was him actively "undermining" Leo's teachings. History repeats itself.

If I remember correctly, Nahm was speaking pretty incomprehensibly and constantly dropping cryptic metaphors that was becoming nuisance. {Also didn’t his style of replies got accused during death of one of this group member?(I maybe wrong on this) }
also guy couldn’t handle getting demoted so started a copy of this group.