Drama Alert! Another YTber is calling us a cult! 😈☦️

[Thought Art]

He is sloppy too, just taking from other YouTubers. Leo didn’t take 5meodmt to improve his health either He has been studying this stuff and awakening for a long time,.

I was on the forum during the Connor thing, I don’t think the two were ever close. Leo spoke to him only because he was a public figure clearly misusing psychedelics. 
 

Actualized is the worst cult ever because it teaches cult dismantling and deep self reflection, studying multiple sources etc.

The YouTuber lacks integrity because he just took almost point for point lines from another YouTube video. 
 

A YouTube channel teaching philosophy and spiritual ideas, psychedelics etc and a public forum isn’t a cult. People demonize and use theIr mind in sloppy way. 

Edited May 12 by Thought Art

[Cred]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I'll add - authority. 

Humans love authority. Most don't want to admit it, let alone recognise it! 

Normal people, in the sense of people who are not obsessed with truth, like to get told what they are supposed to do since it saves them energy not having to make a decision every time. 

They prefer to invest energy into relationships, happiness and meaning rather than epistemology and there is nothing wrong with that.

Authority is just one way that can be provided but it's not the only way.

The big tragedy of humanity is that the people who are actually qualified to tell people what to do are the epistemology people but they are too busy with theory and isolation to do that, so that at the end the only people who end up doing it are idiots and narcissists.

Edited May 12 by Cred

[LoneWonderer]

@Thought Art Hey bro welcome back!

[Carl-Richard]

51 minutes ago, Cred said:

Normal people, in the sense of people who are not obsessed with truth, like to get told what they are supposed to do since it saves them energy not having to make a decision every time. 

They prefer to invest energy into relationships, happiness and meaning rather than epistemology and there is nothing wrong with that.

Authority is just one way that can be provided but it's not the only way.

My stepdad gets so angry when I start talking about environmental toxins in fish and he's like "I simply follow the recommendations from the institute of public health and they say we can eat fish; instead of doing my own research, I just trust the 1000s of scientists who have already done the research and have done it better than I could ever do on my own". (It's not that simple by the way; he has probably not read any of the more specific recommendations that deal with contamination of e.g. self-caught fish and fish organ meats, avoiding certain species of fish during pregnancy).

Meanwhile I'm like "hey, I just use it as a hypothesis for why I feel tired after eating cod and not salmon, and the institute of public health doesn't have a specific answer for that, so then I have to do my own research". He's like computing me talking about contaminants in the food he likes as "do not eat fish". He is really sharp and quick in a certain way, but he lacks any and all finesse and nuance sometimes. Businessman, super concerned about being pragmatic and forward-moving, getting results, not so much about getting to the bottom of things. It's like a complete clash, my entire being threatens his entire existence lol.

Also, the way the institutes settle on a recommendation depends on cut-off values for what they consider to be safe, and those rely mostly on studies on developmental deficits (neurological and behavioral) in children (and sperm quality lol). There is probably no way they would capture the issues I'm concerned about like acute post-meal effects on cognition and performance and general energy levels (in adults, let alone children). Yeah ok, if you don't eat more than two portions of fatty fish per week, you won't be "brain damaged" per the definition of the institute, but what about say a 10%-30% acute drop in working memory performance?

Edited May 12 by Carl-Richard

[Natasha Tori Maru]

9 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

those rely mostly on studies on developmental deficits (neurological and behavioral) in children (and sperm quality )

They should really be looking at womens eggs too 🤔

 

[Carl-Richard]

4 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

They should really be looking at womens eggs too 🤔

Phuack wymyn - Norwegian Institute of Public Health (and the literature they're basing it on 🧐).

Edited May 12 by Carl-Richard

[Recursoinominado]

To call us a cult, he has to watch at least 150h of Leo's content and have done 10+ trips.

[Human Mint]

Only real problem is if Leo was a devilish character. Hard to call a cult when there is real skill behind. Although if you want to see it as that that's on you.

Society should give power to skillful individuals. Because what's the alternative? Having mediocre people with tons of impact on society.

Edited May 12 by Human Mint

[Monster Energy]

Great video 

[integration journey]

We have a nice cult going on here

[Hojo]

8 hours ago, Thought Art said:

He is sloppy too, just taking from other YouTubers. Leo didn’t take 5meodmt to improve his health either He has been studying this stuff and awakening for a long time,.

I was on the forum during the Connor thing, I don’t think the two were ever close. Leo spoke to him only because he was a public figure clearly misusing psychedelics. 
 

Actualized is the worst cult ever because it teaches cult dismantling and deep self reflection, studying multiple sources etc.

The YouTuber lacks integrity because he just took almost point for point lines from another YouTube video. 
 

A YouTube channel teaching philosophy and spiritual ideas, psychedelics etc and a public forum isn’t a cult. People demonize and use theIr mind in sloppy way. 

He wanted to awaken to heal himself didnt he.

He went on a Jesus kick where he said he was going to heal people then he said he was going to heal himself. Then said he cant do it.

I think it was a reason.

Edited May 12 by Hojo

[Carl-Richard]

15 hours ago, Recursoinominado said:

To call us a cult, he has to watch at least 150h of Leo's content and have done 10+ trips.

"To call us a cult, you must join". 🤔

[Miguel1]

20 hours ago, Cred said:

I recently came to the same conclusion. When the leader of a cult is not a narcissist, then it is not a bad thing at all.

The reason why cults are so intense is because they fulfill humans genuine desire for meaning and community beyond capitalism.

I can actually imagine founding a cult one day. The reason why I have been less active lately is because I'm working on formalizing a philosophical system to be the foundation of a potential new religious movement.

Bruh.. stop before you even start 

[Staples]

They're just jealous they're not coming to the cookout.

Who's turn is it to bring the ascension juice? And we need to find a new island, the last one is a no-go.

[aurum]

42 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

Bruh.. stop before you even start 

Kids and their crazy cults these days 

[Cred]

On 12/05/2026 at 1:01 AM, Jodistrict said:

Unicult is the only one I have seriously thought of joining.  They openly call themselves a cult, as noted by the name, to filter out people who don’t want to belong to a cult. 

I've checked it out it actually seems super cute. Not my aesthetic though.

However verrry neurodivergent

Edited May 13 by Cred

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

I don't see that many signs of this site being a cult (although there definitely are some to be wary of), but I definitely see many cultists in here; namely wookies (spiritual woo woo enthusiasts), wokies, socwokies and some occasional socialists. I've also seen one socwookie in the wild (give people free stuff because of woo woo)

[Thought Art]

@Hojo I think you’re mixing up the timeline, but I may be wrong. His healing the world with his 5meodmt awakening came after using it while he was making sense of the trips. Pretty common egoic reaction. 
 

He was tripping before with other psychedelics prior to 5meodmt I believe, and 5meodmt was a path he chose for awakening because he was pursuing understanding for its own sake. 

Edited May 13 by Thought Art

[Leo Gura]

On 5/12/2026 at 3:30 AM, Thought Art said:

I was on the forum during the Connor thing, I don’t think the two were ever close. Leo spoke to him only because he was a public figure clearly misusing psychedelics.

I spoke to Connor because he emailed me saying he was going to kill himself. I tried to help him but he just used it to get clicks.

I have done more to educate people about how actual cults work than anyone calling me a cult leader. Such is the absurdity and ignorance of mankind.

Cults are antithetical to everything I teach and stand for.

Actualized is not even remotely a cult. And it never will be as long as I am alive.

We are less of a cult than the comment sections of the YouTuber trolls who try to call us a cult. Have you seen the comment sections of YouTubers like Professor Dave? They exhibit more conformity and cult behavior than anything found on this forum. They act like mindless zombies.

Edited May 13 by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

That Conner call was a serious rebuke that needed to be doled out.