The Manosphere Isn't About Men. Or Women

[Emerald]

 

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

What a coincedence. I'm literaly watching this exact video. Untypically unbiased of you to share this, how surprising

[Lila9]

I agree with him that the elites are generally those who are responsible for this gender war, but who are the elites? Mostly rich white men, patriarchs.

Patriarchy is built like a pyramid scheme, with rich men at the top (capital, money, possessions), the rest of the men below them who look up to them and try to imitate them, and then women, minorities, children, animals, and nature.

Rich men at the top harm everyone in the end, but on different levels.

He presents this as if women are angry at men because of social media, but this is not true.

Women have real lived experiences of being hurt by misogyny (both personal and systemic).

One in two women have been sexually harassed by a man.

We don’t need to open social media to realize that men can be unsafe for us on many levels.

This is how feminism started, long before social media.

Just because the elites who own social media profit from the gender war doesn’t mean that women’s hurt from men as a group is not real.

In some cases, the internet (which is mostly monopolized by social media) can be a lifesaver for women who are stuck in toxic relationships or are in danger, because women around the world, including in 3rd world countries have more opportunities to educate each other and share valuable information that can be life-saving. 

This is why I can’t equate the manosphere and the men participating in it on social media with women commenting about it on social media, because women’s comments are not fueled by the same ideologically driven hate, but rather by caution and safety precautions in response to real danger.

Edited 18 hours ago by Lila9

[integral]

[aurum]

Liberals are incapable of properly understanding the manosphere, no matter how well intentioned they might be. 

[Raze]

1 hour ago, aurum said:

Liberals are incapable of properly understanding the manosphere, no matter how well intentioned they might be. 

That’s because actually understanding it conflicts with ideological positions such as gender is a social construct and society is a patriarchy designed to benefit men at the expense of women.

Any liberal who does give a nuanced analysis will invariably go beyond these positions and they’ll discard and discredit them.

Edited 12 hours ago by Raze

[aurum]

2 hours ago, Raze said:

That’s because actually understanding it conflicts with ideological positions such as gender is a social construct and society is a patriarchy designed to benefit men at the expense of women.

Any liberal who does give a nuanced analysis will invariably go beyond these positions and they’ll discard and discredit them.

Yes, it's an ideological bind.

[Valach]

@aurum I am curious how would you explain the manosphere yourself?

[Leo Gura]

Men need dating advice, but most of the men giving out dating advice are very corrupt, and the men needing the advice don't care because they are so desperate and immature and equally corrupt.

Corruption seeks corruption. Flies seek shit.

When you can't get laid, you don't care about being ethical or good, nor truth. You just want to either get laid by any way possible or to whine about why you can't and why someone but you is to blame.

Immature men create immature dating advice for immature men to attract immature women. Immature women fall for it, so it works. When the women are so immature, you can't attract them with maturity or wisdom.

Round and round the wheel goes.

Edited 1 hour ago by Leo Gura

[Valach]

11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Men need dating advice, but most of the men giving out dating advice are very corrupt, and the men needing the advice don't care because they are so desperate and immature and equally corrupt.

Corruption seeks corruption. Flies seek shit.

When you can't get laid, you don't care about being ethical or good, nor truth. You just want to either get laid by any way possible or to whine about why you can't and why someone but you is to blame.

Immature men create immature dating advice for immature men to attract immature women. Immature women fall for it, so it works. When the women are so immature, you can't attract them with maturity or wisdom.

Round and round the wheel goes.

I would say maturity plays a big role yes. But also trauma and unhealthy unbringing causes these dynamics in the first place.
As I am diving deeper and deeper into this I am realizing how much of pickup strategy, eventhough it works, is optimized for insecure, not really stable people. Those are the vast majority, so it looks like it works. 

[Leo Gura]

Attraction is never wise or mature. It's just monkey hormones. So it works on everyone because everyone is a horny monkey. If you weren't a horny monkey you would hardly care to date.

You have to wonder why dating matters to you at all?

Edited 51 minutes ago by Leo Gura

[Spiral]

This whole thing is actually super easy.

We used to live in a tribal society, this society consisted of two parts the patriarchy and the matriarchy. Older lads offered guidance and advice for younger boys and older women for younger girls.

This was a stable system because the advice worked and allows tribespeople to be useful members of the society. Why did it work? well because things didn’t change so the people operated under similar conditions each generation.

Modern society is developing at a pace that breaks this whole system. Old people’s advice doesn’t work.

If I ask my grandfather for advice with women he might tell me to go to the dance and ask someone to dance with me. That’s not a thing anymore, he doesn’t know anything about how things work these days. So his advice is often not applicable at all.

So people don’t rely on older generations anymore. Social media just makes this whole situation way worse. I suspect AI will be beneficial here however. It can act as your elder so to speak.

[Raze]

28 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Men need dating advice, but most of the men giving out dating advice are very corrupt, and the men needing the advice don't care because they are so desperate and immature and equally corrupt.

Corruption seeks corruption. Flies seek shit.

When you can't get laid, you don't care about being ethical or good, nor truth. You just want to either get laid by any way possible or to whine about why you can't and why someone but you is to blame.

Immature men create immature dating advice for immature men to attract immature women. Immature women fall for it, so it works. When the women are so immature, you can't attract them with maturity or wisdom.

Round and round the wheel goes.

Modern men are actually hostile to any advice that’s effective immature or not.

The popular advice isn’t advice at all, just excuse making and shock marketing absurdity.