The Manosphere Isn't About Men. Or Women

[Elliott]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Any sane woman will agree with that.

Just like any sane man will agree they're not entitled to women's bodies

[Lila9]

10 minutes ago, Elliott said:

@Raze

But, let's ask @Lila9 a question because I think you two are actually on the same page and slightly misunderstanding each other.

@Lila9 should the modern woman be partly responsible for providing for the family, or is it all on the man?

In modern life nuclear family, most men cannot financially sustain their families alone, so obviously it is reasonable for women to take part in providing for their families, and women do that.

Women do that in addition to doing unpaid domestic labor and childcare. Men need to step in and help women more in domastic labor and childcare.

And ideally, they need a community. 

[Elliott]

1 minute ago, Lila9 said:

In modern life nuclear family, most men cannot financially sustain their families alone, so obviously it is reasonable for women to take part in providing for their families, and women do that.

Women do that in addition to doing unpaid domestic labor and childcare. Men need to step in and help women more in domastic labor and childcare.

And ideally, they need a community. 

Yes, men don't hear this part though, if you want to try to see their perspective. Men still, modern men, still generally feel responsible for being the sole provider.

[Lila9]

1 minute ago, Elliott said:

Yes, men don't hear this part though, if you want to try to see their perspective. Men still, modern men, still generally feel responsible for being the sole provider.

Yes, but they also never question patriarchy, which assigned that role to them, and are the biggest supporters of nuclear families and capitalism.

In the past, pre-patriarchal communities and pre-industrial societies, labor was distributed among many people. But many men see this as something too feminine and communist.

[Elliott]

3 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

Yes, but they also never question patriarchy, which assigned that role to them, and are the biggest supporters of nuclear families and capitalism.

In the past, pre-patriarchal communities and pre-industrial societies, labor was distributed among many people. But many men see this as something too feminine and communist.

Yes, but when they hear you talk about the patriarchy, they only hear the benefits for women, so that's all that they associate with this topic.

[Elliott]

@Raze would your opinion on this topic change if women were vocal about sharing responsibility for providing for the family?

[Majed]

@Leo Gura

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, of course.

But if you can't get sex at all, relationships are a tertiary concern. Just the fact that women can focus on relationships vs sex is already a luxury. Because they aren't desperate for sex, because they can get it quite easily and take that for granted. It's hard for a woman to even understand what it feels like to be unable to ever get sex, for years and decades. That is not a woman's reality.

Why do you think it is that difficult for men to get laid ?