John Anthony's channel taken down

[Lyubov]

He legit came off creepy and was a massive liar. I watched his stuff once or twice. He was chopped....

[Alexop]

@Schizophonia yes I meant neurotic autisitic "smart". Dumb smart as I used to be. Saying stuff that just dont fit well even if they come from authenticity.

they go after vibe, now if they are conscious enough they can see your worth even if the vibe is off in the beginning and still choose you over a good vibes dude that is full of shit. But if you say really politically incorrect shit it is pretty much game over.

Edited November 7, 2025 by Alexop

[Schizophonia]

I remember he made a video where he criticized Owen

[Butters]

@Emerald that's not how it works though. In practice if you develop yourself more, your interest in 'attracting women' is lower or goes away. There's no reason to commit to any relationship, including sexual. 

[Valach]

9 minutes ago, Emerald said:

The misread is that pick-up makes you more attractive. It really doesn't.

Becoming a great man who lives by his values and is an asset to the community makes you more attractive. And this will increase your options for romantic partners significantly because your social status will improve and you will be more respected in general by others.

But it won't get you laid at the volume that pick-up does. But it's way more efficient for finding a partner and other opportunities in life. 

Pick-up is about audacity and persistence... not attractiveness. 

Pick-up is about sleeping with women... not being attractive to them or admired by them more generally. All you need is go through he numbers game to find a woman who's looking for a hook-up out of loneliness, boredom, or horniness to succeed at sleeping with a woman.

And if you show up as an option and you're audacious about it without completely bungling the social cues, sometimes you'll get picked.

But it doesn't mean you're attractive. It means that you're good enough for the moment.

So, I'll ask you this question... "Is it more important to you to become a great man in your own eyes, the eyes of women, and the eyes of the world at large? Or is it more important for you to maximize your lay count?"

That is why I am breaking my rule about body-shaming and emphasizing the fact that these male "role models' that teach men how to attract women are not attractive men.

A discerning woman wouldn't touch them with a ten-foot pole. And while there is a sizable percentage of undiscerning women, probably at least half of women are discerning women. 

So, these guys may get laid often enough... but they aren't attractive. They're just audacious and persuasive... and more willing to impose themselves on the situation.

While I myself am not the biggest fan of pickup in general and there are a lot of issue with it for sure I can't really agree that pickup does not make you more attractive.

Going out a lot and talking to a lot of people while sober and pushing your comfort zone constantly does help you grow you as a man and you attractivness to a certain points. Attributes like confidence, charisma, social skills, empathy and groudness and general masculinity are definitely attractive to woman and can be developed using pickup framework. Though along the way you can carry on a lot of bad habits and beliefs as well.

Edited November 7, 2025 by Valach

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

I remember he made a video where he criticized Owen

That's his bread and butter. Haha 

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Emerald said:

A man who develops himself and aligns to his greatness doesn't become more anti-social... he becomes more pro-social.

Contradicted by the fact that the greatest men have always been monks and hermits.

You can't be great due to group-think.

Edited November 7, 2025 by Leo Gura

[Butters]

9 minutes ago, Emerald said:

A man who develops himself and aligns to his greatness doesn't become more anti-social... he becomes more pro-social.

You are projecting your own desires on this scenario. In perfect unity there is no desire to form any exclusive relationship with one person. 

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Emerald said:

I would push back on notion and ask you... "Are hermits great?"

As great as humans get.

It's funny that Christians worship a hermit as God but they themselves all just social zombies.

Edited November 7, 2025 by Leo Gura

[Alexop]

25 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

As great as humans get.

It's funny that Christians worship a hermit as God but they themselves all just social zombies.

They love to look up to a role-model, but they don't have the courage to do what it takes to become one. They will even ostracize and look down on people who try to become the role-model that they look up to. "God is only one" 

[Ryan M]

John Anthony wasn’t a good dude which is pretty obvious but I thought he actually had some of the best advice when it came to game. It’s actually sad that his channel got taken down. If you looked past his mental health issues you could find some of the most simple straightforward advice. He was the opposite of a lot of these coaches that teach gimmicky, complicated BS. On top of that I feel bad for the dude even if he was a total cyberbully that had it coming lol. Losing your business like that is brutal.

[How to be wise]

2 hours ago, Emerald said:

Pick-up is about sleeping with women... not being attractive to them or admired by them more generally.

I would much rather a woman sleeps with me rather than simply 'admiring' me while fucking another guy.

Edited November 8, 2025 by How to be wise

[AION]

2 hours ago, Emerald said:

The misread is that pick-up makes you more attractive. It really doesn't.

Becoming a great man who lives by his values and is an asset to the community makes you more attractive. And this will increase your options for romantic partners significantly because your social status will improve and you will be more respected in general by others.

But it won't get you laid at the volume that pick-up does. But it's way more efficient for finding a partner and other opportunities in life. 

Pick-up is about audacity and persistence... not attractiveness. 

Pick-up is about sleeping with women... not being attractive to them or admired by them more generally. All you need is go through he numbers game to find a woman who's looking for a hook-up out of loneliness, boredom, or horniness to succeed at sleeping with a woman.

And if you show up as an option and you're audacious about it without completely bungling the social cues, sometimes you'll get picked.

But it doesn't mean you're attractive. It means that you're good enough for the moment.

So, I'll ask you this question... "Is it more important to you to become a great man in your own eyes, the eyes of women, and the eyes of the world at large? Or is it more important for you to maximize your lay count?"

That is why I am breaking my rule about body-shaming and emphasizing the fact that these male "role models' that teach men how to attract women are not attractive men.

A discerning woman wouldn't touch them with a ten-foot pole. And while there is a sizable percentage of undiscerning women, probably at least half of women are discerning women. 

So, these guys may get laid often enough... but they aren't attractive. They're just audacious and persuasive... and more willing to impose themselves on the situation.

I think you are proposing a false dichotomy. Both is possible. Why should I care about what other people perceive me as. I live by my own values. Getting a baby doll girl doesn’t always mean she is an air head. And getting a mature woman doesn’t always mean she is a great partner. I think you should be careful with making these assumptions. 

I’m focusing on my life purpose and I’m doing this for myself. Not to get praise from a group of people or from bimbos who can’t even offer their ******** to me so why should I be offering my best to them. 

The woman who don’t like men like Andrew Tate don’t like those girls who disapprove of him anyway. So you disapproving of him doesn’t mean much. He doesn’t want you to begin with. 

Men who are not typical attractive but reached a certain amount of success don’t have to be good looking to begin with. They play on a different paradigm. Girls can look beyond their looks. 

 

[How to be wise]

8 minutes ago, Emerald said:

That's a reflection of your own priorities. And that's fine if those are your priorities.

All you really need is audacity to achieve that.

Just don't mistake having women sleep with you as an indication that you're an attractive man or a great man.

As long as we are in these human suits, everything is transactional. 

What's the point of being great if we won't get anything in return.

The point of being attractive is to sleep (or marry) with women.

If a politician wants to be great, it's only because he wants your vote. Otherwise what's the point of being great.

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

59 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

As long as we are in these human suits, everything is transactional. 

What's the point of being great if we won't get anything in return.

I hope you are just saying this in isolation and not applying it as some life philosophy.

Because this is really a crossroads of ego and meaning talking. If you are chasing greatness for something in return - it's all ego. The moment you don't get what you want you are left with a hollow feeling. When you choose greatness it is because excellence feels like alignment: it is who you are.

The truth is you don't always get anything lasting 'in return' for being great. You become something from it. That is the real transformative transaction. The process is where all the good stuff is.

[AION]

56 minutes ago, Emerald said:

I'm sure that Andrew Tate and I would have a mutual disgust for one another. That is true. 

Also, you need both partners to be mature to have a good relationship. If one or both partners are immature, the relationship will be a total mess.

But those things aside... my point is that there is a real dichotomy that exists with these priorities... and one thing must be prioritized over the other.

A man can either prioritize maximizing the number of women he sleeps with by trying to mold himself to be a sexual option to the lowest common denominator of women... Or a man can prioritize becoming a great man.

He will have to choose one or the other... as becoming a great man is very self-directed while being a sexual option to the maximum number of women is very centered on the question of "How can I become the type of guy that women are more likely to say yes to?"

And this is one of the main bottlenecks that men have with regard to developing maturity, character, and more refined Masculine strengths.

A man who takes the former option develops a more detached relationship with women and sexuality... and he focuses on making himself great and working towards his purpose. And this has a side-effect of making him a lot more attractive to women, even if he doesn't go out looking to get laid as a major life priority.

So, his lower number of sexual partners compared to the man who prioritizes sleeping with lots of women could be interpreted by the uninitiated man as "The man who has a lower number of lays is a less attractive man than the man with a higher number of lays."

Men often think 'The man with more lays is more desirable to women.' So, they devalue becoming a great man... and get focused instead on optimizing themselves for maximum sex and believing that that's what makes them Masculine, desirable, and attractive.

And it leaves them much less attractive for it... as it's a very needy stance to take to prioritize maximizing sexual options over becoming a great man.

But a man who knows that there are plenty of women out there who would be interested in him, where he knows that he needn't mold himself to be a sexual option for women because there is no scarcity, is able to prioritize authenticity, purpose, contribution, fun, and all sorts of other things. 

I notice that guys who get heavily involved in pick-up tend to get so bogged down in it that they end up losing focus on developing themselves as people. It all becomes about women. And it ironically ends up making them less attractive to women.

I actually agree that men shouldn’t do autopsy on who they are to be liked by the masses. But I think this counts for everybody. Not just for men. They should become who they are which is part of individuation. But there is no bypass imo. People have to fuck around. And find out. 

I do pickup and yes I have a persona. In the same way women have makeup. To a certain degree I think it is ok to have a persona. It starts becoming a problem when people start identifying with their persona and de-identifying with their true self. 

I do a hybrid approach. That is why I do think it is a false dichotomy. I always lead with my true self and a lot of girls reject my nerdy side which is ok. I still have 10-20% success rate to find a good connection with the Barbie doll kind of girl. It is all about how to deal with rejection. When I’m rejected I could say “I need to hide my nerdy side” but I say fuck her and I own up more to it and that just fires up my vibe. I’m doing pickup for myself. The game you are proposing is old man’s game. People who are too old to do pickup so they go into this provider frame. Pickup is for young people. Both are legit coping mechanisms depending on the age of the person 

 

Edited November 8, 2025 by AION

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Emerald said:

Just don't mistake having women sleep with you as an indication that you're an attractive man or a great man.

If plenty of women sleep with a man that definitionally means he is attractive.

Great? No.

Many women do not sleep with unattractive men. This is a fantasy.

Just because you don't find a man attractive based on your high consciousness values does not mean most women agree with you.

[Jodistrict]

20 hours ago, Emerald said:

I know it's not nice to appearance shame but I feel like it should be said... a lot of guys who are popular pick-up artist coaches are very unattractive. I'm bringing it up because I find it ironic that the guys who teach men how to be attractive are usually not attractive themselves.

Not being attractive is an important part of their marketing.  Because the average guy says "well if he can do it the so can I", and then buys the course.   They also tend to have a gift for gab to make up for looks.    

Edited November 8, 2025 by Jodistrict
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[Hojo]

Women feel superior over unattractive men. They actually dont even want to talk to unattractive men. Woman value is beauty if they find themselves more beautiful they feel more valuable. Then games over they are not interested they have control over the unattractive man.

I have seen more woman bully ugly men then try to sleep with them.

Saying ugly men have to be persistent basically is saying if men beg a woman for sex long enough then she can feel bad and give it to them. Pity sex and it wont happen twice. Be ready to swallow any pride you had.

Edited November 8, 2025 by Hojo

[AerisVahnEphelia]

18 hours ago, something_else said:

You're right, but what I think you're missing is that in order to transform your life from that of a socially anxious basement dwelling neckbeard into that of a work of art will require a lot of effort. It isn't something you can just 'do' or 'be' on a whim. I don't particularly like the framing of a lot of pickup advice but it is a good first step to get a man out into the world and talking to people.

I think framing it as 'pickup' is a fundamental mistake because, like you say, it's very needy. It has a lot of very negative connotations and for good reason. It's much better to instead frame it as building social skills, but a lot of the stuff involved is very similar regardless of what you call it. It largely just involves forcing yourself into social situations, pushing your comfort zone socially, making friends, and yea, trying to get laid. I'm sure you'd agree that none of this is inherently bad behaviour. Most men go through a stage like this in their late teens to early twenties without even really knowing what pickup is, it's just a natural stage of male development that got formalised into pickup at some point.

Socializing and talking to a lot of people and being intimate with them ( not even sexually ) will be a better way, sure, in fact, it might be the only good way, people must chase being socially aware, not even being social, just aware.