Conservative activist, Charlie Kirk, has been shot and killed at University

[Jodistrict]

5 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

 

It sounds like he is reading directly from Jules Evola, who was an Italian philosopher and friend of Mussolini.   Evola praised Buddhism as aristocratic and wrote the book “The Doctrine of Awakening”.   

[Leo Gura]

5 hours ago, Moutushi said:

@Leo Gura I think you've mentioned many valid points of criticism regarding all this. However, I do feel that a slightly more balanced view of this situation would be helpful.

The statement below by Charlie shows that not all that he said was vile, bigoted, propaganda, etc. Despite the valid criticism of many of the things he said, there was some good in some of the things he said.

When people stop talking, really bad stuff starts. When marriages stop talking, divorce happens. When civilizations stop talking, civil war ensues. When you stop having a human connection with someone you disagree with, it becomes a lot easier to want to commit violence against that group.

What we as a culture have to get back to is being able to have reasonable disagreement—where violence is not an option." - Charlie Kirk

That is a fair point.

That is a good quote which I can endorse.

I would just say that I've seen nearly all the leftist commentators on YouTube for a long time and I have seen all of them follow this principle. Nonviolent talking is what the left is about. So we all agree that violence is to be denounced regardless of which side it comes from.

Edited September 14 by Leo Gura

[Staples]

But that Charlie Kirk quote assumes that everyone is reasonable.

There is no such a thing as a reasonable disagreement when one of the parties involved in being unreasonable. 

Edited September 14 by Staples

[Kid A]

On 13.9.2025 at 4:26 AM, Inliytened1 said:

The right is really messed up.  I never denied that.  But the crazy thing is the left is worse.

I haven't read the whole thread, so this may already have been debunked, but anyways:

 

What are your thoughts about the fact that the right attempted a coup after the 2020 election, while the left haven't done so, by the way?

[zazen]

So what’s the causal factor in rising political violence and populism in general? You guys are masturbating over semantics of whether the right are facist yet - it’s fair to say they are increasingly becoming so, with disagreement on where they are on the spectrum. 

We can all agree things are getting polarized - but why?

Liberal types pride themselves on their empathy and systemic analytical skills looking at root causes of inequality and crime in their urban cities but don’t extend that over to rural MAGA die hards who are just racist red necks though.

Edited September 14 by zazen

[Scholar]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That is a fair point.

That is a good quote which I can endorse.

I would just say that I've seen nearly all the leftist commentators on YouTube for a long time and I have seen all of them follow this principle. Nonviolent talking is what the left is about. So we all agree that violence is to be denounced regardless of which side it comes from.

It's not really a good quote because it demonstrates he misses fundamentally why violence occurs.

He and his ilk are framing non-christian leftists as satanic and evil. He in fact is in favor of children viewing public executions. He specifically considers empathy as weakness.

 

You can talk about supposed non violence all day, but if someone believes what someone else does is not only evil but stems from some sort of satanic evil, then this will justify violence against them in the eyes of especially more radicalized and unstable people.

Charlie Kirk was a staunch supporter of the most violent president, with the most violent rhetoric in recent US history. Him paying lip service to principles of civility because at the time it specifically served him to do so does not mean the guy was anti-violence. It's like saying Trump was anti-violence because he once uttered the words "Violence is bad.".

 

You can talk about non-violence, but if you truly frame anyone who supports Israel a zionist, and then a zionist someone who supports an ongoing genocide, you will obviously get people who will want to commit violence against such people. Because we celebrate violence as a culture, we celebrate killing nazis, and you in the US especially celebrate things like executions of criminals.

This is all part of a culture which you cannot just negate by saying you are pro-civility. If you want to prevent the kind of political violence that is occuring today, it would require a fundamental change in the culture and the way social media platforms operate.

[Elliott]

2 hours ago, zazen said:

So what’s the causal factor in rising political violence and populism in general? You guys are masturbating over semantics of whether the right are facist yet - it’s fair to say they are increasingly becoming so, with disagreement on where they are on the spectrum. 

We can all agree things are getting polarized - but why?

Liberal types pride themselves on their empathy and systemic analytical skills looking at root causes of inequality and crime in their urban cities but don’t extend that over to rural MAGA die hards who are just racist red necks though.

'Income inequality' and republican instability, basics, the things they vote for, rednecks feel it hard 'I'm the superior race, and I'm kind of fucking poor'. Fed people are happy people, the people are hungry.

Edited September 14 by Elliott

[MightyMind]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That is a fair point.

That is a good quote which I can endorse.

I would just say that I've seen nearly all the leftist commentators on YouTube for a long time and I have seen all of them follow this principle. Nonviolent talking is what the left is about. So we all agree that violence is to be denounced regardless of which side it comes from.

@Leo Gura "non violent talking is what the left is about". Sure, in the common person, they believe this. And yet there are no shortage of people who lean left, who are working in our schools and systems who see and say violence is a necessary tool to over turn the current paradigm. The left has a problem which it is still not acknowledging. If you want those on the right to take you seriously I encourage people to make an effort to look into what I'm referring to. 

[Scholar]

Just now, MightyMind said:

@Leo Gura "non violent talking is what the left is about". Sure, in the common person, they believe this. And yet there are no shortage of people who lean left, who are working in our schools and systems who see and say violence is a necessary tool to over turn the current paradigm. The left has a problem which it is still not acknowledging. If you want those on the right to take you seriously I encourage people to make an effort to look into what I'm referring to. 

Name a few of those individuals.

[PurpleTree]

Tim Dillon had quite the wild Charlie Kirk show 

[Elliott]

10 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Tim Dillon had quite the wild Charlie Kirk show 

He make fun of him?

Can't believe Europeans watch Dillon.

Edited September 14 by Elliott

[Princess Arabia]

12 hours ago, Moutushi said:

@Leo Gura I think you've mentioned many valid points of criticism regarding all this. However, I do feel that a slightly more balanced view of this situation would be helpful.

The statement below by Charlie shows that not all that he said was vile, bigoted, propaganda, etc. Despite the valid criticism of many of the things he said, there was some good in some of the things he said.

When people stop talking, really bad stuff starts. When marriages stop talking, divorce happens. When civilizations stop talking, civil war ensues. When you stop having a human connection with someone you disagree with, it becomes a lot easier to want to commit violence against that group.

What we as a culture have to get back to is being able to have reasonable disagreement—where violence is not an option." - Charlie Kirk

Those last two quotes about disagreements and violence aren't great overall examples of  'goodness', to me, especially coming from a very controversial politician because they seem to suggests a call out to how he would like to see people who disagree with him handle the situation.  The other stuff about marriage and civilians stop talking just sounds good to the ear. Not powerful enough to be noted as 'good' as in coming from someone with good intentions. Anyone can tell you that; and 'civilians stop talking', what does that even mean in this context and how is it related to civil wars.

[DocWatts]

5 hours ago, Kid A said:

I haven't read the whole thread, so this may already have been debunked, but anyways:

 

What are your thoughts about the fact that the right attempted a coup after the 2020 election, while the left haven't done so, by the way?

Beat me to it.

[lostingenosmaze]

28 minutes ago, Scholar said:

Name a few of those individuals.

Hasan and MikefromPA

 

[Scholar]

Just now, lostingenosmaze said:

Hasan and MikefromPA

 

I am referring to your claim about people who were "working in our school systems". Yes, tankies and communists are radical and support violence. You can find the same on the alt right.

But we aren't talking about the most extreme actors on either side, we are talking about the majority of the voters of the given party and their representatives. It's not just the extreme alt right that is violent and radical for the republicans, it's the president of the united states, congressmen and women, judges, maintstream media outlets who are absolutely bonkers pro violence.

[PurpleTree]

27 minutes ago, Elliott said:

He make fun of him?

Can't believe Europeans watch Dillon.

I don’t really watch him and find him rather annoying.

He does say funny stuff at times but it’s not that often imo.

I just wanted to see what he has to say about the Kirk thing and he went deep into an Israel rabbit hole.

[Elliott]

4 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

 

I just wanted to see what he has to say about the Kirk thing and he went deep into an Israel rabbit hole.

Lol

[carterfelder]

 

[Elliott]

 

 

The party against violence, everyone, the party of love! Coming to a church near you!

WWJD, kill em!

Calling them fascist is inciting violence though.

@Inliytened1 Kilmeade is a POS Nazi

Edited September 14 by Elliott

[Socrates]

@Leo Gura The extend of a devil's devilry when you know for a fact he shoots kids in the head already is unfathomable. Sataniahu has been gaslighting the US to join his wars for decades, and I won't even go to JFK or the witnesses and firefighters of 9/11. Just because your mind can't imagine such sickness it doesn't mean it isn't possible.

Before he was even pronounced dead, both trump and sataniahu has already made a Twitter post the same exact minute, if that doesn't seem suspicious idk what does.

Also you misinterpreted tht evidence completely, all those "lefty" evidence are explicitly groyper protocol. He was as right wing as it gets in fact, he seems to have committed the murder because Kirk wasn't conservative enough (like Fuentes). Not everything should be taken face value Leo, come on man....