Conservative activist, Charlie Kirk, has been shot and killed at University

[Inliytened1]

9 minutes ago, Elliott said:

No, show me an example. Make it good, thoughtful, I will pick it apart.

This is silly.  Are you going to show me an example? Or make me dig around the internet. The point is you are making politics humanity. It isn't. It's like saying the spiral dynamics model is Truth.  There is a blend of all of these things there are just more or less of them depending on the individual.

[Joshe]

18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

No prominent leftist has called for a war on the right. 

And it's very common on the right: 

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[Elliott]

12 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

This is silly.  Are you going to show me an example? Or make me dig around the internet. The point is you are making politics humanity. It isn't. It's like saying the spiral dynamics model is Truth.  There is a blend of all of these things there are just more or less of them depending on the individual.

 

 

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[Elliott]

Took me 4 minutes from your post, it looks like. I grant you though, I made a bold claim and think it's fine you take much longer.

Love: peace, happiness, enjoyment

It should be truly these things, not some billionaire botox barbie rooting at a football game. Not some superficial couple in a mcmansion celebrating their new baby. Not some wasted guys on a slip-n-slide.

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[Elliott]

Anyone can help him out. Try to make it good.

[MightyMind]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Mainstream MAGA people are calling the left evil and demons. And they literally believe that because they are Christian Nationalists.

Your are portaying the MAGA right as having a more reasonable view of the left than the left has of the right. This is untrue. The left does not hate the right as much as the right hates the left. This is why this week MAGA has called for a war on the left. No prominent leftist has called for a war on the right. And what makes it worse is that the right is in power, has the military, FBI, CIA, Supreme Court, etc.

The demonization done by the right is worse than the demonization done on the left. This is why the left is more developed than the right.

edit: 

"No prominent leftist has called for a war on the right." = for anyone believing this, I'd encourage you to investigate all of the left/progressives who are working systematically (through education/law/politics/healthcare...), to dismantle the current system. Included in this is a worldview that places all white people in a position of colonizer/oppressor = where do you think that leads? when a younger generation is raised to view all people of a skin tone as the oppressor? These leftist activists are proponents of violence in order to achieve their aims and they state it openly. There's no shortage of footage and documentation verifying this. Again, the well meaning left is oblivious to what is going on in their own house. 

It's been going on for years but unfortunately many of the sane people who lean left don't realize the extent of wack jobs in their own house. While you might not hear them say "this is war on the right", they are actively working in a deceptive/manipulative way to dismantle that which the right would like to preserve.

 

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[Elliott]

@Inliytened1 do you agree with me now?

[Inliytened1]

16 minutes ago, Elliott said:

@Inliytened1 do you agree with me now?

 

[Joshe]

1 hour ago, MightyMind said:

edit: 

"No prominent leftist has called for a war on the right." = for anyone believing this, I'd encourage you to investigate all of the left/progressives who are working systematically (through education/law/politics/healthcare...), to dismantle the current system.

"prominent", as in key, influential and powerful figures who can actually affect change and move hundreds of thousands or millions of people. Some nutty professors are not prominent. If you were to collect the top 50 influencers and top 50 politicians for each side and analyze their messaging honestly, you would see a huge difference in terms of divisive and  ideologically antagonistic rhetoric, and it wouldn't even be close. 

You can't take people who have very little power and are not even known by 10,000 people and compare them to the right-wing figures we're speaking of. 

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[wesxo]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Mainstream MAGA people are calling the left evil and demons. And they literally believe that because they are Christian Nationalists.

Your are portaying the MAGA right as having a more reasonable view of the left than the left has of the right. This is untrue. The left does not hate the right as much as the right hates the left. This is why this week MAGA has called for a war on the left. No prominent leftist has called for a war on the right. And what makes it worse is that the right is in power, has the military, FBI, CIA, Supreme Court, etc.

The demonization done by the right is worse than the demonization done on the left. This is why the left is more developed than the right.

Leo, why is the right so hate driven? and why do they use gaslighting and blaming as their main political tools, what nuance am I missing here?

[Elliott]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

 

Do you feel that's a good one or did you just throw one up there?

 

Love: peace, happiness, enjoyment

 

You believe enjoyment and peace were exhibited there? He was talking about a battle, it doesn't seem peaceful to me.

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[MightyMind]

5 hours ago, Joshe said:

"prominent", as in key, influential and powerful figures who can actually affect change and move hundreds of thousands or millions of people. Some nutty professors are not prominent. If you were to collect the top 50 influencers and top 50 politicians for each side and analyze their messaging honestly, you would see a huge difference in terms of divisive and  ideologically antagonistic rhetoric, and it wouldn't even be close. 

You can't take people who have very little power and are not even known by 10,000 people and compare them to the right-wing figures we're speaking of. 

 

@Joshe Far enough. I wasn't referring to "prominent" figures all the while though there seems to be this game of who's worse, the right or left, which is counter productive. I find people on this site are fixated on the rights wrongs but lack self awareness of one's own house. Unfortunately the left has many activists working to do the things I stated which are destructive to America. And when it is denied, downplayed, or ignored this is not good. Be consistent is all that I ask and over the years of seeing the conversation on here I have yet to see it. Blaming the left while not taking responsibility within ones own house is not conscious so I'd suggest we make an effort to hear criticisms.  

 

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[Hojo]

@Joshe And also keep in mind this guy is known to be paid by Russia. Peoole don't care they have a narrative if it came from Russia and they beleived it you cant not convince them with proof. I don't know if itd a intelligence problem or an ego problem. Maybe thee people can literally not self reflect on their thought patterns.

[Hojo]

I'm a leftist i work around conservatives in farm areas. I have leftist friends in another province. When I move here I was asked by at least 10 people if I wanted to assassinate trudeau for them. Never once has a left wing person even suggested anything like that to me. But the right wing people have done it 10 different times 10 different people. 

I have been told by my mother not to tell people that I vote for the left in this area because people will attack me. I told them anyway I shouldn't have to hide my political beliefs. I am born in this province I should be able to say what I want.

The left follow the rules of democracy. Even now in the USA with all the crazy shit they continue to follow the rules while the president is breaking them all. They don't understand that its not good for them when politicians break the rules and they don't care when its their side doing it. If left did what the right did they would be losing their minds. This is the definition of selfishness.

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[Moutushi]

@Leo Gura I think you've mentioned many valid points of criticism regarding all this. However, I do feel that a slightly more balanced view of this situation would be helpful.

The statement below by Charlie shows that not all that he said was vile, bigoted, propaganda, etc. Despite the valid criticism of many of the things he said, there was some good in some of the things he said.

When people stop talking, really bad stuff starts. When marriages stop talking, divorce happens. When civilizations stop talking, civil war ensues. When you stop having a human connection with someone you disagree with, it becomes a lot easier to want to commit violence against that group.

What we as a culture have to get back to is being able to have reasonable disagreement—where violence is not an option." - Charlie Kirk

[Extreme Z7]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

 And what makes it worse is that the right is in power, has the military, FBI, CIA, Supreme Court, etc.

Don't forget the pardoned January 6th rioters are calling for violent action again after Charlie Kirk's murder.

I saw a video about it but I lost it.

[Joshe]

13 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Joshe And also keep in mind this guy is known to be paid by Russia. Peoole don't care they have a narrative if it came from Russia and they beleived it you cant not convince them with proof. I don't know if itd a intelligence problem or an ego problem. Maybe thee people can literally not self reflect on their thought patterns.

It's not intellect they lack, but courage. Most of them are more than cognitively capable, but reflection is very risky for them, so they tend to avoid it. This is why I say cowardice is at the core. They reject things like evolution, not because they're dumb, but because they're afraid to part with their religion and other self-deceptions. 

[Hojo]

@Joshe Kinda makes sense that 0 introspection into death will make you selfish. They don't want to introspect on evolution because it will make them self concious about death. They would rather be ignorant.

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[Twentyfirst]

It's crazy that the ego can build an identity around being a truth speaker or speaking the truth and then being persecuted for it. Not from Kirk but his influencer friends or influencers that have counter culture videos are all supporting Kirk because they feel like anytime they have haters it's because they are the ones "risking their lives to deliver the truth" 

At some point you start to realize that the truth itself is a PSYOP and actually useless and egoic. Not the truth like Leos latest video. That the truth is absolutely the highest. But just this human society bullshit "truth"

You end up being like Tate and just yelling all day about nonsense and every day becomes a battle and nothing ever gets achieved. You wake up some people but you don't wake them up to any depth and you start a lot of drama and people want you dead. Every Tate interview it seems like he is just fighting another cause that just doesn't really matter. Theres a quote by Keanu Reeves and he says "I'm at that stage in life where I stay out of discussions. Even if you say 1+1=5, you're right - have fun." This is actually a more enlightened way of dealing with truth than these mainstream truth speakers.  

 

 

[Joshe]

13 minutes ago, Hojo said:

They don't want to introspect on evolution because it will make them self concious about death. They would rather be ignorant.

Exactly. Resisting truth out of fear.