Non dual versus God realization

[Twentyfirst]

Is this a good explanation of the two modes of being? It seems like enlightenment is the the initial realization of god and then god realization is the living of god?

 

 

[Sugarcoat]

I dont know because im not enlightened but maybe there is a difference between you could realize non duality, and thats the same as realizing nothingness (because nothing has no border) but then what’s missing is that everythingness, so the next step is to realize everything, oneness. Maybe I’m wrong as I said I don’t know but I’ve heard something along those lines

[PurpleTree]

Didn‘t watch the video yet

But having god realisations seems quite easy with psychedelics. It’s still just an experience, still in the story.

While non dual liberation seems to be a bit more difficult. It’s the end of stories.

Edited Sunday at 02:19 PM by PurpleTree

[Twentyfirst]

It seems in the video he says that non duality is the entry point to god realization but in my experience I have had both out of order and been in and out of them both with and without psychedelics 

[Hojo]

I had both. One feels like God puts a pane of glass between you and reality,even your own body. You see the feelings you are feeling are not anywhere outside the pane of glass but are you feeling something and it bouncing off the pane of glass back to yourself. So you can look at your hand and know that your hand has never had any feeling in it the feeling is coming from where you are sitting in your head right now. You can look at your girlfriend and see that they have no feelings its all coming from you.

Then a voice asked me what I was and I knew I was God when I knew that  I rip off reality and I was with God and all my feelings were that I was love and perfect.

Edited Sunday at 02:50 PM by Hojo

[Davino]

In simple words, as consciousness goes on increasing, there are breakthroughs in that way. One of the first milestones is non-duality or oneness, which simply said is that the inner space and the outter space are merged into one, inside the body doesn't feel more me than outside the body, both are equally me, I'm in oneness, I'm connected with everything etc.

There are many other Awakenings in the path as consciousness rises like no-self, boundless consciousness, eternity, nothingness, the I-AM, Truth, Love, strange-loops, solipsism, perfection, and a myriad of other facets etc.

At the olympics of consciousness you reach Infinite Consciousness and God.

Edited Sunday at 07:02 PM by Davino

[James123]

12 minutes ago, Davino said:

In simple words, as consciousness goes on increasing, there are breakthroughs in that way. One of the first milestones is non-duality or oneness, which simply said is that the inner space and the outter space are merged into one, inside the body doesn't feel more me than outside the body, both are equally me, I'm in oneness, I'm connected with everything etc.

There are many other Awakenings in the path as consciousness rises like no-self, boundless consciousness, eternity, nothingness, the I-AM, Truth, Love, strange-loops, solipsism, perfection, and a myriad of other facets etc.

At the olympics of consciousness you reach Infinite Consciousness and God.

Anything that you can define, experience etc... İs not real awakening or enlightenment. 

[UnbornTao]

You don't need to figure out your way into enlightenment. Just leave it as an open possibility that's currently not accessed. And go directly at you, whatever that is. 

[Leo Gura]

6 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

then god realization is the living of god?

No.

God-Realization is realizing God.

Whether you live it is another matter. You can realize God and then still live like an animal. But you still realized God. You are just also an untrained animal.

Nonduality does not mean you realize God.

Edited Sunday at 08:00 PM by Leo Gura

[Keryo Koffa]

45 minutes ago, James123 said:

Anything that you can define, experience etc... İs not real awakening or enlightenment. 

Non-Experience?

[Eskilon]

Such question are not questions you should ask others... If you know what I mean

Figure out yourself if it is different or not. Spirituality is a single-player game.

[Terell Kirby]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You can realize God and then still live like an animal.

From highest to lowest I would think:

1. God realized - non animal

2. God realized - animal

3. Non Realized - non animal

4. Non realized - animal

[Globalcollective]

In my experience they were distinctly different, enlightenment is impossible to speak about but if I had to it was like a shift happens where everything you think you know about life and reality just falls away and your left with raw truth/reality, which tbf is vastly different to what I thought it would be like and can see why most people will never be enlightened. God realisation feels easier to describe, god wakes up to himself, and you see how your dreaming life and everything around you. Enlightenment is still contained within god's dream, and I feel like a lot of enlightened master are not god realised. 

[ExploringReality]

@Leo Gura if non-duality is not God realization, then why not? I am a beast that has touched God, but in the turmoil of survival, I pursue Transcendence along with my car , meat and house.

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, ExploringReality said:

if non-duality is not God realization, then why not?

Nonduality is too generic of a notion.

You can realize that duality is illusory and that at a high level of consciousness all things are One. But that does not mean you've realized what God is. God is a much higher level of consciousness. So nonduality without God is easier to access. Nonduality is also far less threatening and far easier to integrate and make sense of. God is such a mindfuck that it requires serious philosophical work to comprehend and integrate.

Oneness is a much less threatening notion that God. Any old weekend Buddhist, rationalist, scientist, or even atheist can stomach oneness.

Edited Sunday at 11:17 PM by Leo Gura

[Carl-Richard]

35 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Nonduality is also far less threatening and far easier to integrate and make sense of. God is such a mindfuck that it requires serious philosophical work to comprend and integrates.

Oneness is much less threatening notion that God. Any old Buddhist, rationalist  scientist, or atheist can stomach oneness.

You have not integrated it unless you're living in it regularly, and that's not at all a non-threatening prospect. It's easy to integrate it as intellectual masturbation.

Edited Sunday at 11:51 PM by Carl-Richard

[Eskilon]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Oneness is a much less threatening notion that God. Any old weekend Buddhist, rationalist, scientist, or even atheist can stomach oneness

Not really, they can stomach intellectually. Not in actuality. But then, what can't you stomach intellectually? You have no skin in the game. 

Edited Sunday at 11:21 PM by Eskilon

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

Not really, they can stomach intellectually. Not in actuality.

But actually barely ever comes to these people. And even if does, it's still not God Realization.

Go ahead and integrate and live your nonduality perfectly. You still won't understand God.

[Jannes]

Cant be true what he says, he is too good looking. 

[Lyubov]

I'm not entirely following the conversation since I haven't really fleshed out my understanding and experiences so clearly into these categories, but I think what he is speaking about is the pure magic and gold you find as you walk the spiritual path and allow this process to unfold with more and more love. I remember doing some meditating while following YouTube videos made by neo-advaita teachers and I find it sort of dry and disabled. It's not enjoyable. It's missing something I really awakened to that was right in front of me that a mentor of mine showed me through inner child / Taoist self inquiry, which is the pure magic and potential that is alway going up, this inherent value one has, like a never ending firework and a gift bestowed upon by oneself for being nothing short of a pure miracle. It's profound and it really sets a fire under my feet to live life fully and embrace my human side while remaining curious about the spirit. My life started going better after this and I started to really understand the law of attraction and started manifesting more and more, and I'm still growing here like I'm seeing things just unfold for the best. I never really found this through those dry meditations where the teacher is like "there is no you", dry bland meditations that did not lead me to True Value. 

Edited Monday at 05:41 AM by Lyubov