Why Women Prefer Betas

[Leo Gura]

16 minutes ago, Emerald said:

It seems that lots of young men have really internalized the notion that women are preferring the most Masculine guys... and the more Masculine the better. But too much Masculinity tends to decrease the attractiveness of a man in the eyes of most women.

That's just untrue.

Hyper masculine is the ideal for great reason. It gets you LOTS of sex.

Emerald, you do not represent typical women or men. You are highly unusual.

Typical men and women are chimps. I've seen thousands of them up close in Vegas. They are way less mature than you imagine. I promise.

Edited June 8 by Leo Gura

[Miguel1]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Ahahahahahahaha.... 

Vylana and Alana have joined the chat.

Stop it 

[Majed]

@Leo Gura Why don't you travel the world and do pick up ? If i was in your position i would do that.

[Miguel1]

Here we should remember to properly define terms, otherwise we end up talking pass each other like the 9999 times before.

If by hyper masculine, we mean toxic, overly aggressive, try-hard, biggest ego masculinity, then they definitely don’t get the most sex.

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Miguel1 said:

If by hyper masculine, we mean toxic, overly aggressive, try-hard,

Why would we mean that??

That's like by highly feminine we mean batshit crazy.

[Jacob Morres]

So the 5'4 skinny no clout minimum wage softbois are the real alphas. Damn what am I doing 

i think the pov of a conventionally unmasculine guy is missing here. A lot of guys go into that stuff bc they dont get girls. Now ppl are saying that is enough to get girls

Edited June 8 by Jacob Morres

[Miguel1]

@Leo Gura For some reason I couldnt edit my original comment on phone so I had to come on laptop to edit it, but here's the second part of the original comment:

And if by hyper masculine, we mean men who are absolutely grounded and confident in themselves, aka no longer repress qualities inside them like their feminine side (what Emerald calls soft qualities), then you are speaking about the SAME thing.

There, I saved you both 20 pages and 50 hours of time. Thank me later 🤭

[UpperMaster]

1 hour ago, hoodrow trillson said:

Have you written about the insight you had a while ago about how incredibly important looks are for attraction?  You mentioned this but idk if you ever followed up.

@Leo Gura

How come this was a recent realisation, considering your dating experience?

I don’t mean this is any derogatory manner, I just don’t understand how the importance of looks has become apparent to you now?

Or am I misunderstanding your insight, if so please elaborate. 
 

thanks!
 

 

[Leo Gura]

38 minutes ago, UpperMaster said:

How come this was a recent realisation, considering your dating experience?

It took a lot of deep soul-searching and painful truth-seeking.

Because I was so involved in pickup, I had some untrue ideas implanted into my mind early on.

In pickup it's very important to believe that looks don't matter at all. Because this increases your results.

The more you think looks matter the less laid you'll get. This is what blackpillers don't understand.

Pickup requires delusional confidence, as Owen likes to say. It's very true. You need to believe you are the sexiest guy in the world regardless of objective reality. I drank from that poisoned chalice.

Edited June 8 by Leo Gura

[r0ckyreed]

If women liked betas and liked lean muscular guys, then why don’t dating apps work for me? One insight I had is that I am geographically in the wrong place. I literally went to DC and Philadelphia and my number of likes and matches 4x. Maybe geography is a confounding variable in these studies? Maybe women have different preferences relative to geography and culture?

Edited June 8 by r0ckyreed

[Jacob Morres]

@r0ckyreed where did you come from? Was it a rural or suburb area? 

I think that when you jump areas your algorithm refreshes temporarily and it shows up on people's feeds more often

[UpperMaster]

20 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It took a lot of deep soul-searching and painful truth-seeking.

Because I was so involved in pickup, I had some wrong ideas implanted into my mind early on.

In pickup it's very important to believe that looks don't matter at all. Because this increases your results.

The more you think looks matter the less laid you'll get. This is what blackpillers don't understand.

Pickup requires delusional confidence, as Owen likes to say. It's very true. You need to believe you are the best guy in the world regardless of objective reality. I drank from that poisoned chalice.

Thank you. This was very well written. I understand.

Edited June 8 by UpperMaster

[How to be wise]

@Leo Gura Why did you do night game only (which attracts certain types of women) instead of focusing on daygame where you can meet normal women?

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, How to be wise said:

@Leo Gura Why did you do night game only (which attracts certain types of women) instead of focusing on daygame where you can meet normal women?

I did plenty of daygame. I prefer daygame. But there are so few attractive women during the day that it's not worth the time.

Daygame requires very specific locations.

[Value]

@Leo Gura Here in London soooo many attractive women everywhere, too many it's distracting. Can't believe you had that problem.

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Value said:

Here in London

London is very specific place. I don't like giant cities.

[Basman]

In terms of being built, I think just not being too fat or too thin is the key distinction. There is otherwise no real downsides to being built I think and it will otherwise only help in terms of attractiveness.

[hoodrow trillson]

Being tall is awesome and masculine, I suggest you guys give a try!  Women love it!

[Raze]

I saw this a while back and think this is generally what the average woman’s preference is:

Basically it’s not alpha v beta, it’s depending on the situation.

Edited June 9 by Raze

[Raze]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That's just untrue.

Hyper masculine is the ideal for great reason. It gets you LOTS of sex.

A counter to this is a lot of male sex symbols aren’t necessarily hyper masculine, they are flowy and dandy like Harry Styles. Rather than the Jocko Willink type.

Edited June 9 by Raze