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[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, bazera said:

Didn't you find it meaningful to find out what you were capable of in consciousness work?

No. Because I know psychedelics can kick my ass any time with a high enough dose. There is no beating psychedelics. You can never conquer them, so there's not even a point in trying. It is like boxing against a bulldozer.

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But for example, if you are a fat slob and you are interested in what your body is capable of, looks-wise and also performance-wise, it motivates you to pursue some of those fitness goals. It's another matter if that makes you happy or not ultimately, but at least you derive some meaning for some time. 

It's a silly sort of motivation. Motivate yourself in a purer way.

Edited 13 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Magnanimous]

@Leo Gura ok Leo I understand sorry mate love you and your work thanks for changing parts of my life already ❤️ 

[Oppositionless]

Disillusionment is real . I didn't notice it with other psychedelics but when I started vaping 5 meo . Big "fuck everything" vibes started happening, as in total acceptance of everything, but even more than that the notion of being a human being started to fall away, and that was actually too much- I stopped automatically because it was just way too scary . Dying as a human is a very serious thing , nothing you read from Leo adequately conveys it. If it did I don't think people would be so eager.
 

But it also saved me from mental hell, so I'm not sure I'd change anything . I suppose I knew when to stop.

Either way, kriya yoga as a daily practice has been plenty to scratch that spiritual itch going forward.

Edited 8 hours ago by Oppositionless

[Lyubov]

Spirituality has its Mt Everest aspects to it. I consider radical state changes with psychedelics to be of that nature. I don’t think you necessarily need to go deep into all that to live a good and true life. You most definitely don’t need to in order to cultivate wisdom and live authentically. Spirituality is not a competition where it’s a race to the top. 

[lostingenosmaze]

24 minutes ago, Oppositionless said:

Dying as a human is a very serious thing, nothing you read from Leo adequately conveys it. If it did I don't think people would be so eager.

I intuited this. Not just psychedelics, but existential work in general. I don't even watch Leo videos anymore because of it. Hell, I had to talk with my therapist after only watching the first 20 minutes of his Epistemic Responsibility episode.

[Lila9]

14 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Lila9 What are the best feminist books you've read?

From what I read, Our Blood by Andrea Dworkin and The Beauty Myth by Naomi Wolf made the biggest impact on me.

 

[gettoefl]

Let no goddam-mutherfuckas define your limits, do you feel me.

Just you tell me I can't climb Everest and Ima do it barefoot to shut up your face.

Had enough of do-gooding-losers for lifetimes to come.

Rant over.

[Ash55]

I guess that HoeMath has 2 problem one is too much analysis i believe less is more
the other thing that his view on women are a bit distorted
one things find it not to be true that whole 0-10 scale people find different thing interesting and attractive i would assume most of the women i find cute leo guru won't find them cute , (I don't thing leo like them thicc latina babes :P) tbh syrian girls are hot af
yes general psychological principle apply but social media with stage orange lense distorted people world view

I lots of women find me attractive just to be my find just by being authentic and my self without being a 10/10 on status money scale nor the other scales , maybe am naturally introverted idk

the more try hard men are the more they lose getting women

a lots of women just want a simple man that they love, masculine man

I think a lots of what men/women want is quite simple actually but our modern society + internet make people POV very distorted

edit: it feels shit honestly consuming his content for me if i want a gf i just spend that time socializing IRL, too much trash on social media too much noise

Edited 7 hours ago by Ash55

[Ash55]

tbh leo what you teach is closer to the Islamic world than western world in so many ways, tho Islamic world is too ideological and dogmatic about religion, and what i mean by close it is close to the core philosophy and principles , no culturally tho i don't think you want your wife to wear hijab or ninja suit,  when people understand you here they love you i shared your videos with few of my friends in syria and egypt

[r0ckyreed]

Damn. That Mt. Everest blog post was a good one. Bring it back!

[aurum]

Marathons are definitely problematic. I see so many people destroying their bodies over these.

[Rafael Thundercat]

About the MAGAsphere Backpeddling Joe Rogan.

Do Anyone here really belive those Guys believed Trump would stop the wars?

 

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Do Anyone here really belive those Guys believed Trump would stop the wars?

Of course they believed.

MAGA are fools.

Edited 3 hours ago by Leo Gura

[mmKay]

Disillusionment is real.

Warning: Wall of text incoming 

https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/103717-who-loves-post-modernism-new-video/?page=5

I thought it would be relevant to re-post something I shared some years ago on the topic 

" What I do know is that when I grasped the true nature of Meaning, Value and Purpose, I fell into a Dark Night of the Soul of pure relativism for a good 2-3 years in my early 20s before trascending it

This relativism stuff is no joke. It can seriously destabilize your mind, your life and your identity.  I have a lot of empathy for why people have a knee-jerk reaction against it.

What if your life is a house of cards that can crumble with a little shaking of your fundations?"

 

"When I first realized the true nature of meaning, value, and purpose, it felt as if the very foundation of my reality had collapsed. Meditation already had begun this process, but your video on understanding these concepts burst my bubble in an aggressive and blunt way. Something which was definitely not the right time for or something that I was looking for at that moment, but I already was aware that curiosity kills the cat when I went down that rabbithole.

 

It was as if knocking over the first domino led to the rapid, uncontrollable, unstoppable collapse of my entire conceptual framework of reality. Once I realized that certain things were mere social, cultural, linguistic or human constructs, it didn’t take long for me to question EVERYTHING ELSE in my life or that I was capable of thinking of, leaving me with a profound sense of absolute groundlessness, and a freedom SO VAST that it was ABSOLUTELY TERRYFING.

 

One of the most insidious aspects of this relativism was how my ego hijacked it for self-serving purposes. When nothing holds inherent meaning, the ego can rationalize any behavior, no matter how destructive or self-defeating. I found myself trapped in this mindset, using relativism to justify my fears, addictions, and self-destructive habits. Even though I knew, on some level, that judgments, rejection, and failure "shouldn't matter," I remained paralyzed by these fears. The ego thrived on the infinite double standards relativism allowed, twisting logic to maintain its grip. I would rationalize that personal development was pointless, meaningless, and biased, making no sense to pursue.

 

 

Growing up, I was deeply absorbed in video games. 10+ years of WoW. 5 years of LoL , besides of dozens of other videogames. The stories, quests, currencies, characters, competition, victories, defeats within those games were incredibly real to me, not just pixels on a screen. They provided real sense of progress, purpose and achievement. Realizing that these experiences were mere constructions was painful. It shattered the illusion I had built around them and took away a lot of enjoyment and escapism.

Some realizations like that my parents gave me my name, and that it could have been anything else, as of today seems so obvious and a surface level insight, but it's actually not obvious. I bet more than 3/4 of the human population is not aware of that and truly belives their name is real and belongs to them. I realized that things don't have names, that we create them with arbitrary sounds and symbols and concepts, and that different things are called different ways in different languages, and we just use this system for comunication. It's not truth.

 

I realized that morality, ethics, manners , good or bad are relative, that the law is groundless and relative ( and why it exists ) , that possessions aren't real but social and mental constructs, that countries don't exist, money is a construct, that time is subjective and age doesn't really exist. These realizations only worsened my sense of confusion and disorientation at the time.

 

 

I was 21 years old and had just started living on my own for the first time, fresh out of school. The world of meanings that had defined my life—exams, grades and worrying about what my classmates thought of me—crumbled away. Academia and the sense of safety it provided revealed themselves to be nothing more than a game and an illusion. The importance I had placed on these things disintegrated, leaving me feeling utterly groundless and foolish, like I had wasted all that time.

 

As this process unfolded, I came to a realization that no matter what happens, everything is "absolutely okay." This insight led me to stop inhibiting my impulses, which inevitably pulled me toward distractions, addictions, and comfort.

 

Days turned into weeks, and weeks into months as time flew by, and I found myself increasingly detached from any sense of purpose or direction. I stopped judging and moralizing my actions, instead choosing to simply observe whatever I was doing and go with it. This approach dissolved much of the internal resistance I once felt and allowed me to sink deeper into the present moment, for better or worse, which ended up just leading me to seek out comfort and pleasure while avoiding discomfort and pain. For weeks, I would lie in bed, utterly unmotivated and aimless. The female attention and aprooval I once craved stopped being meaningful. I convinced myself that day and night didn’t truly exist, so there was no reason to wake up at any specific time. I saw no point in maintaining basic hygiene or even wearing clothes the "right" way. I would go to the supermarket unshowered, wearing dirty clothes, messy hair and shirts backwards and inside out , rationalizing that there was no right or wrong way to dress. When I had a part time job at a restaurant, I remember letting some customers walk away without paying because in my mind it didn't matter.

 

 

My sense of self-importance crumbled as well. I realized I was no more significant than a fly or a cockroach, and this realization left me feeling profoundly insignificant and purposeless. Even ending my own life literally didn't make sense, something I never considered seriously.

 

 

This extreme relativism led me to a state of profound laziness but also access to unconditional happiness. I found that I could lie in bed for months, feeling ecstatic, almost like what I imagine being high on heroin is like, without needing to do anything to achieve this happiness. This was an absolute ambition killer. The sense of meaninglessness was so deeply embedded in my mind that any attempt to take action felt like a distraction, causing emotional resistance. It was as if taking any step away from doing nothing would shatter the fragile peace I had found in this state of inaction.

 

I didn't know who or what I was anymore. I realized that identity, what you yourself identify as, is absolutely groundless and are just meaningless or self-constructed labels. The one thing that didn't crumble was my sexuality. I considered that if absolute relativity is true then everyone is in actuality pansexuaI. But in practice I was just not attracted to men. Period. I didn't need identify as a man , adult or human for the validity truthfulness of my feelings of attraction and preference to whatever I perceived as an attractive female.

 

 

This shift also marked a clear and sharp transition from analytical thinking to a primarily intuitive approach to life. Intuition gradually became my core mode of operation, guiding my decisions and shaping my reality. I began to connect with and respect my emotions in a way I hadn’t before. Emotions became central to my experience, driving my choices and dictating how I engaged with the world. At that time, this intuitive, emotion-driven way of living was deeply ingrained in me, and emotions, feelings, and intuition were the only ground I could rely on.

 

 

The descent into relativism also isolated me from others, as I saw them as characters in a game - NPCs, unaware of the constructed nature of their realities. It was a lonely existence, like living in a "Truman Show" where everyone else was oblivious to the truth. Every person I encountered was locked into their own paradigm of understanding the world, unconscious of the constructed nature of their reality. No one would understand me. I couldn't relate to anyone and actually people would judge me and reject me for thinking or talking in these ways. People said I was depressed, when actually I felt more sane than them but confused.

 

 

This descent into nihilism and relativism eventually pushed me toward "mysticism". As I understood the nature of meaning, language, and concepts, I also deeply understood I didn’t know what anything was anymore; I faced deep not-knowing. I intuitively began practicing "neti neti" meditation and "actuality meditation," which led to temporary heightened states of consciousness and experiences of non-symbolic awareness. These practices helped me trascend the conceptual limits of the mind and connect with a reality beyond words, thoughts and even perception, leading to things like seeing the ox' tail with what I think is a samaddhi experience ( this entire " perception bubble" is made out of the" same stuff" , even "me", the observer, is made out of the same " stuff ") , the insight that thoughts literally APPEAR INTO EXISTENCE from pure nothingness in the most direct way possible, and later some accidental astral projection. I also realized that non-duallity is so non dual it entails duallity, which just mindf*cked me again, and that I was engaging in spiritual bypasing.

 

 

Eventually, though the pass of time, the school of hard knocks, awareness , trial and error and tremendous amounts of confusion and needless suffering, , I began to see that while all things might be meaningless, there is a universal law of cause and effect. Both cause and effect are meaningless in themselves, but they have real consequences nevertheless, and I personally have real preferences toward certain consequences over others. To deny that would be self-deception. It's obvious but it did not make sense for so long. For instance, I would rather be free than in jail. This is a child-mind level insight I had to re-learn.

I realized that being bummed out by meaninglesness is a mental fallacy. Meaninglesness is meaninglessness, not negative.

 

These realizations helped me begin to rebuild my life by recognizing that life itself operates with a deeper intelligence that transcends these constructs, with inherent logic and rules that we discover through trial and error and direct experience. I realized that relativism doesn’t hold up in the practical world; it’s only a limitation of the mind, logic, conceptual frameworks, and language. Being locked in this experience and perspective of being · an alive human being · comes with specific biases and preferences. Something obvious but aparently, not so obvious.

 

 

This going full cirlcle understanding allowed me to see the limits of Relativism and Nihilism : They overlook nature's nature."

 

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I'm 28 right now and that experience still affects my day to day every single day. 

Edited 2 hours ago by mmKay

[Rafael Thundercat]

6 hours ago, Ash55 said:

I think a lots of what men/women want is quite simple actually but our modern society + internet make people POV very distorted

Also some of our friends dont help our game at all. Here is an example of how to be a cock blocker.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DXEdICLjMxv/?igsh=MWp2enFqNjByc2kyMw==