Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[Nemra]

I'm glad I couldn't try psychedelics until a year ago. Even then, I don't want to go hardcore in my late 20s, and perhaps it's best for me not to do it for now. However, it has shaken me up to question deeply.

Edited Tuesday at 06:59 AM by Nemra

[Natasha Tori Maru]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

He means you lack a penis.

I see you've smelled my penis envy 🥹

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

feel like there’s no clear answer. It’s too case-dependent.

But the potential for danger and misuse is high at that age, generally speaking. Just cause you managed it doesn't mean it's a smart overall approach.

We don't want youngsters wrecking themselves.

It was hard for me even in my 30s. I took it too far. I can't imagine a youngster going through my arc. That would be very risky.

Edited Tuesday at 06:52 AM by Leo Gura

[Nemra]

It's also dangerous to learn from psychedelic trips as if one understands without even doing psychedelics; this will mess up one's mind when doing psychedelics.

It's very alluring to listen and learn from others' trips, but you will build beliefs about what psychedelics do if you're not careful.

[Xonas Pitfall]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

But the potential for danger and misuse is high at that age, generally speaking. Just cause you managed it doesn't mean it's a smart overall approach.

We don't want youngsters wrecking themselves.

It was hard for me even in my 30s. I took it too far. I can't imagine a youngster going through my arc. That would be very risky.

Yup! Fully agreed, responsible, and very much needed blogpost 

[Magnanimous]

Leo why havent you taken a psychedelic in a year from last time I know?

Are you done with that part of your life/wanted to focus on manual methods?

[Leo Gura]

@Magnanimous I can't discuss my full situation for privacy reasons. There is a delay in things I share because I don't want to share stuff that is still in progress and I'm not yet ready to explain. Eventually I will explain, but you should expect a lag time. I'm not a breaking news channel. I have overshared stuff in the past and now I am more reserved.

Edited Tuesday at 09:27 AM by Leo Gura

[bazera]

https://www.actualized.org/insights/mt-everest-conformity

This reminded me of a mantra that ultra runners have:

"Death before DNF" (Did Not Finish)

Of course is an over-exaggeration, it just shows an attitude that's needed to endure something very physically challenging. But most of those endurance athletes prepate for their races, but that assumes health, genetics, proper motivations, etc.

The thing is, it's hard to know your limits when you're too afraid to go near them. It feels important to know what you're capable of before you die. Feels meaningful to find that out. 

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, bazera said:

Feels meaningful to find that out.

Not meaningful at all.

There are 10,000 things you aren't capable of and don't know it and will never know it. What difference does one more thing make?

Treating your body like a rented mule is not intelligent.

No one cares about your marathon.

Add marathons to the list of conformity.

Edited Tuesday at 10:08 AM by Leo Gura

[bazera]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Not meaningful at all.

Didn't you find it meaningful to find out what you were capable of in consciousness work?

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There are 10,000 things you aren't capable of and don't know it and will never know it. What difference does one more thing make?

You just want to know your limits in the field that you are interested in.

But taking it to the actual dangerous limits is stupid, of course. 

But for example, if you are a fat slob and you are interested in what your body is capable of, looks-wise and also performance-wise, it motivates you to pursue some of those fitness goals. It's another matter if that makes you happy or not ultimately, but at least you derive some meaning for some time. 

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, bazera said:

Didn't you find it meaningful to find out what you were capable of in consciousness work?

No. Because I know psychedelics can kick my ass any time with a high enough dose. There is no beating psychedelics. You can never conquer them, so there's not even a point in trying. It is like boxing against a bulldozer.

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But for example, if you are a fat slob and you are interested in what your body is capable of, looks-wise and also performance-wise, it motivates you to pursue some of those fitness goals. It's another matter if that makes you happy or not ultimately, but at least you derive some meaning for some time. 

It's a silly sort of motivation. Motivate yourself in a purer way.

Edited Tuesday at 10:22 AM by Leo Gura

[Magnanimous]

@Leo Gura ok Leo I understand sorry mate love you and your work thanks for changing parts of my life already ❤️ 

[Oppositionless]

Disillusionment is real . I didn't notice it with other psychedelics but when I started vaping 5 meo . Big "fuck everything" vibes started happening, as in total acceptance of everything, but even more than that the notion of being a human being started to fall away, and that was actually too much- I stopped automatically because it was just way too scary . Dying as a human is a very serious thing , nothing you read from Leo adequately conveys it. If it did I don't think people would be so eager.
 

But it also saved me from mental hell, so I'm not sure I'd change anything . I suppose I knew when to stop.

Either way, kriya yoga as a daily practice has been plenty to scratch that spiritual itch going forward.

Edited Tuesday at 02:53 PM by Oppositionless

[Lyubov]

Spirituality has its Mt Everest aspects to it. I consider radical state changes with psychedelics to be of that nature. I don’t think you necessarily need to go deep into all that to live a good and true life. You most definitely don’t need to in order to cultivate wisdom and live authentically. Spirituality is not a competition where it’s a race to the top. 

[lostingenosmaze]

24 minutes ago, Oppositionless said:

Dying as a human is a very serious thing, nothing you read from Leo adequately conveys it. If it did I don't think people would be so eager.

I intuited this. Not just psychedelics, but existential work in general. I don't even watch Leo videos anymore because of it. Hell, I had to talk with my therapist after only watching the first 20 minutes of his Epistemic Responsibility episode.

[Lila9]

14 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Lila9 What are the best feminist books you've read?

From what I read, Our Blood by Andrea Dworkin and The Beauty Myth by Naomi Wolf made the biggest impact on me.

 

[gettoefl]

Let no goddam-mutherfuckas define your limits, do you feel me.

Just you tell me I can't climb Everest and Ima do it barefoot to shut up your face.

Had enough of do-gooding-losers for lifetimes to come.

Rant over.

[Ash55]

I guess that HoeMath has 2 problem one is too much analysis i believe less is more
the other thing that his view on women are a bit distorted
one things find it not to be true that whole 0-10 scale people find different thing interesting and attractive i would assume most of the women i find cute leo guru won't find them cute , (I don't thing leo like them thicc latina babes :P) tbh syrian girls are hot af
yes general psychological principle apply but social media with stage orange lense distorted people world view

I lots of women find me attractive just to be my find just by being authentic and my self without being a 10/10 on status money scale nor the other scales , maybe am naturally introverted idk

the more try hard men are the more they lose getting women

a lots of women just want a simple man that they love, masculine man

I think a lots of what men/women want is quite simple actually but our modern society + internet make people POV very distorted

edit: it feels shit honestly consuming his content for me if i want a gf i just spend that time socializing IRL, too much trash on social media too much noise

Edited Tuesday at 04:45 PM by Ash55

[Ash55]

tbh leo what you teach is closer to the Islamic world than western world in so many ways, tho Islamic world is too ideological and dogmatic about religion, and what i mean by close it is close to the core philosophy and principles , no culturally tho i don't think you want your wife to wear hijab or ninja suit,  when people understand you here they love you i shared your videos with few of my friends in syria and egypt

[r0ckyreed]

Damn. That Mt. Everest blog post was a good one. Bring it back!