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No1Here2c replied to No1Here2c's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Ah-ha The Nature of it is Dead End. There is at some point an inflection point where it all ties back into itself. Due to its paradoxical nature you at some point run up upon shore, and this shore is none other than shorelessness. Much like a vessel beached upon sands of nothingness. Simultaneously sailing the wicked tides while being stranded in stationary motion. -
In this way, Trump - as an avatar of the Anti-Christ - has been sent by God to destroy the false idol of Christ so that we can realise our true nature as absolute nothingness. “Go ahead! Achieve all your goals! Break all the dams! Faster! You are unbound. Go ahead and fly with faster wings, with an ever greater pride for your achievements, with your conquests, with your empires, with your democracies! The pit must be filled; there is a need for fertiliser for the new tree that will grow out of your collapse.” It is nowadays. Maybe it used to be otherwise… Not on anything like the same level of corruption.
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thierry replied to thierry's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
owh nice ! I'll definitely watch those movies ! Thanks " As we have seen, the devil is etymologically associated with the word double, a reference to man's “double-nature” or “hidden self”, beyond the limitations of the mundane ego. As Kenneth Grant observes, Satan (or Set-Anubis) is linked to Shiva, the Great Destroyer, insofar that he destroys our false desires, worldly attachments, egotistical inflations, narcissistic attitudes, and complacent identities, revealing the noumenal source behind appearances. According to Grant, it is ironic that Satan is associated with moral evil, particularly greed, gluttony, egotism, and excess, because he brings death to the ego, revealing the inner light. According to Hillman, to endure the dark night of the soul means "the sacrifice of the mind's bright eye” and a "loss of what we have long considered to be our most precious human holding: Apollonian consciousness.” However, it is only by retreating into the darkness that we discover the True Self since this Self is, ironically, nothingness. Selling one’s soul to the devil therefore symbolises one’s absolute commitment to the initiatory path and the calling of the Higher Self. Your True Will is to ascend into the Three Negative Veils of Existence and discover your essential spiritual nature, beyond the limitations of the mundane ego. The “diabolical pact” is often signed in blood, symbolizing the adept who spilled their blood (i.e. their false desires) into the Cup of Babylon. The pact is one's utter devotion to the Great Work, no matter how painful and difficult, so they can spiritually evolve." That's interesting. I don't think I understood everything though. How does the devil brings death to the ego? I think the devil here is seen more as the spirit that makes human suffer to get closer to God? Kind of? -
Oeaohoo replied to thierry's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Your narrative reminds me of the beautiful film Barry Lyndon in which the protagonist, who is lied to and cheated, becomes a liar and a cheat himself to beat them… On the subject of films, the part of your post where you describe how the Devil speaks to you when you feel wounded and betrayed reminds me of the recent Robert Egger’s film Nosferatu, in which the female protagonist summons a dark and evil ancient spirit to cope with her loneliness and isolation: The good news is that, from an esoteric point of view, a deal with the devil can be a path to the True Self as absolute nothingness. Some quotes from a book I have been reading recently, Dark Enlightenment: The Apotheosis of the Self by Jack Fox-Williams: I liked your post, especially the part about not giving up on the heroic quest. This also reminds me of Wagner’s Parsifal… -
Mellowmarsh replied to TheGod's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Exactly. Thats why nothingness or oblivion is the most intelligent gift. Probably by design. -
Joseph Maynor replied to Mellowmarsh's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Are you talking about nothingness or emptiness? -
@oOo Thanks a lot for the encouragement! I'm still believing in the potential of this model and am still working on it. Right now it's kinda a slow cooking phase. Since It is an ontological theory, it makes sense for me to delve into the relevant literature. So this is what I'm doing right now. Luckily, a lot of the big works in western philosophy on the topic are written in German, which is convenient. Maybe I will make another post, summarizing the state of the model at that time. However, the theory is kinda too big already to really meaningfully be able to summarize it in a single post. Maybe I will make a pdf or something. For those that are interested, my current reading list that is totally too ambitious is: Aristotle - metaphysics Descartes - meditations Kant - critique of pure reason Hegel - phenomenology of spirit Kirkegaard - on anxiety Husserl - cartesian meditations Heidegger - being and time Satre - being and nothingness Adorno - negative dialectics Rosa - Resonance
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Mellowmarsh replied to Mellowmarsh's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
What “some level” are you referring to, exactly? For me, nothingness is an amazing gift. -
Joseph Maynor replied to Mellowmarsh's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Nothingness seems like a cop-out to me on some level. -
Davino replied to Oeaohoo's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Everything is alive at different degrees, everything is consciousness at different states and spaces. Your experience right now is not material, it's a phenomenology, meaning sensations, a soup of consciousness divinely harmonized. Be aware that this world/moment is made out of Pure Consciousness, then you're Awake. Realize this present experience is a manifestation of Pure Infinity, making Reality totally boundless (no edges/end) and groundless (ungraspable/self-evident). Awake into higher and more complete orders of Infinity, Consciousness, Love, Truth, Perfection, strange-loops, and so on so forth. Then by the self-touch of Divine grace, One may be blessed to be God-Conscious or enter into God-Mode. Here words lack description, it's hard to walk, hard to take the next breath, God's Immense Presence Saturates all of Reality. One is God, nothingness is God, All is God; God and only God, for Infinity. -
What is one to think of religious and spiritual discourse which refers to god anthropomorphically? My own understanding is that such terminology exists primarily within a theistic and devotional context, as opposed to esoteric accounts of what is beyond even God such as the Absolute, the Unconditioned and Nothingness.
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Breakingthewall replied to Terell Kirby's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Absolute nothingness is the absence of form. The absence of form is the absence of change. Change is the necessary contrast for form to manifest. There is always change since the absence of change is "never," or absolute nothingness. Absolute nothingness is essentially the same as form; it is limitlessness manifesting as change. The fact of manifestation is inevitable, not essential. What is essential is the total absence of limits. -
Ninja_pig replied to funkychunkymonkey's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I think that everyone has a different definition of 'awake', and Buddhists generally don't meet Leo's high standards. To Zen Buddhists, being awake means to see through the illusion of the self and understand existence as pure void. To leo, being awake means an infinite awareness and direct experience of reality as pure consciousness, and eventually the understanding that you are god. These two experiences seem to be distinct to me, although some would argue they are the same. I personally have had this void experience that your monk was saying he had. I was able to achieve it after a few months of "do nothing" meditation. The point that all experience is just void. There is no real substance to reality at all. If you get skilled enough at meditation you can turn off your mind's reality making function and then you just experience pure nothingness while still being conscious, and absent of a sense of self. Check my "Why Reality is Imagination" article a more detailed explanation of that. All of reality is just ideas, and the self is purely a concept. It's not real. I also recommend Fred Davis on YouTube for a good explanation and guidance towards awakening. -
Inliytened1 replied to Monster Energy's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Isness what we become when strip everything away. Being. And in that isness is God/Truth/Love/Infinity/Nothingness. -
## THE CALAMITY: FINALE — THE ZERO DIVISOR SCENE START Hit the Music. EXT. SOUL KING PALACE - SHATTERED THRONE ROOM The air is dead. Not still—*dead*. As if sound itself has been forgotten. YHWACH stands before the eviscerated throne, his back to the void where the Soul King once floated. He isn’t looking at the ruin. He’s reading it. His eyes—pupils stitched with shifting, golden futures—scan the crumbling architecture like a man checking the grammar of a finished story. YHWACH The last page, Kurosaki Ichigo. I’ve written it a thousand ways. In one, you arrive furious. In another, resigned. In most, you never arrive at all. The variables are finite. The endings… are mine. A footstep. Not on stone. On silence. ICHIGO stands at the far end of the hall. No flash step. No ripple of power. He simply… wasn’t, and now he is. His shihakushō is pristine. Zangetsu is sheathed. His eyes are calm, brown, horribly ordinary. ICHIGO You keep talking about the story. About how it ends. YHWACH (turns slowly) It’s all that’s left. The plot is exhausted. The themes resolved. All possible conflicts between us have already been computed. You versus me? I know every move. Every desperate gambit. Every tragic, noble sacrifice. Yhwach extends a hand. Above his palm, light fractures into a shimmering, branching tree—a billion possible fights, each playing out in miniature. YHWACH (CONT’D) See? Here you try a Getsuga from the left. I counter. Here you unleash your Hollow. I absorb it. Here you beg for your friends’ strength. I have already severed the connection. The mathematics are complete. You are a solved equation. Ichigo looks at the glittering futures. He doesn’t see attacks or defenses. He sees… relationships. ICHIGO You see the moves. But you don’t see the glue. YHWACH Glue? ICHIGO What holds the moves together. You think a fight is a sequence. Step one, then step two, then step three. If you control all the steps, you control the fight. Ichigo takes a single step forward. ICHIGO (CONT’D) But what if the steps… don’t stick? Yhwach’s future-tree flickers. A branch where Ichigo attacks high suddenly has no connection to the branch where Yhwach blocks low. They become separate, isolated moments. YHWACH What is this? ICHIGO You built your power on association. Cause links to effect. Action links to reaction. Your Almighty is the ultimate conductor—it makes sure everything you do chains. Ichigo takes another step. The crystalline floor doesn’t crack. It repels. As if his very presence makes the world less sticky. ICHIGO (CONT’D) My teacher… the real one, not the mask… he taught me something in a cave inside my own head. He said power isn’t about linking more things together. It’s about what happens when the links… break. YHWACH Nonsense. Broken links are failure. Chaos. ICHIGO No. They’re freedom. Yhwach attacks. It’s not a beam or a blade. It’s a causal cascade. A single thought from Yhwach that says “Ichigo’s heart stops”—and then every physical law in the universe realigns to make it true. Gravity twists to crush his chest. Molecules in his blood rebel. Time in his arteries slows to a standstill. It hits Ichigo in the heart. And unlinks. The gravity attack happens. Then it’s over. The blood rebellion happens. Then it’s over. The time freeze happens. Then it’s over. Three events. Not one flowing catastrophe. Just… three separate, unconnected things that each fail. Ichigo doesn’t even stagger. YHWACH Impossible. I didn’t attack three times. I attacked once. ICHIGO You attacked with a chain. I live in a world where chains don’t hold. He finally draws Zangetsu. The blade doesn’t ring. It makes a sound like a door closing between two rooms. ICHIGO (CONT’D) You know what a zero divisor is? YHWACH Mathematical trash. A number that isn’t zero, but when multiplied, gives zero. A flaw in the system. ICHIGO (shakes his head) It’s a relationship that cancels. Two things that should make something bigger… but instead, they make nothing. Not because they’re weak. Because they’re complete in opposite ways. He raises Zangetsu. The blade is jet black. Not the black of Getsuga. The black of closed parentheses. () ICHIGO (CONT’D) You control everything out there. Every force, every law, every link between things. You’re the master of the external universe. He touches his free hand to his chest. To the hollow hole that has always been there. ICHIGO (CONT’D) But I… I spent my whole life being afraid of what was in here. The hollow. The Quincy. The human. The shinigami. I thought they were pieces of a broken thing. Then I realized… He smiles. A small, tired, human smile. ICHIGO (CONT’D) They weren’t pieces. They were whole worlds. And I wasn’t the container holding them together. I was the space where they touched. The boundary. The… door. Yhwach screams. Not in anger. In mathematical fury. He unleashes everything: The Almighty’s rewrite function. The Quincy’s energy absorption. The raw, kingly command that says “CEASE.” Each attack is perfect. Each is absolute. Each is designed to be the first link in a chain of total erasure. Each hits Ichigo. And becomes autistic. A lonely, isolated event that happens, then vanishes, leaving no trace, spawning no consequence. Like a shout into a void that doesn’t even echo. ICHIGO You’re trying to have a conversation with me. But conversation needs association. You say something, I respond, it builds. You’re speaking the richest language ever made. And I… He spreads his arms. ICHIGO (CONT’D) I’m the silence between the words. Yhwach is panting. Not from exertion. From conceptual exhaustion. His power is built on connection, on consequence, on the relentless, interlinking logic of dominance. Ichigo is standing in a law he cannot comprehend: The Law of Non-Association. (X • Y) • Z ≠ X • (Y • Z) In human terms: The meaning of three interactions cannot be predicted from the first two. The third kiss doesn’t have to follow from the first two kisses. The third betrayal can exist without the first two betrayals leading to it. The chain is broken. Every moment is free. YHWACH (voice cracking) What are you? ICHIGO I’m what happens when you stop trying to hold yourself together. When you let the pieces be whole. When the hollow isn’t your monster, it’s your honesty. When the Quincy isn’t your enemy, it’s your will. When the human isn’t your weakness, it’s your anchor. He levels Zangetsu at Yhwach. Not a threat. An invitation. ICHIGO (CONT’D) You inherited the future. All of it. You tried to own the story. I inherited the portal. The door between every possible world. And a door… doesn’t fight the wind. It just decides whether to be open or closed. YHWACH Then… close it! Finish it! Strike me! ICHIGO (shakes his head slowly) I’m not the strike. I’m the hand holding the blade. And the hand has finally realized… (sheaths Zangetsu with a soft click) …it doesn’t have to grip so tight. He turns his back on Yhwach. ICHIGO (CONT’D) Goodbye, father. Thanks for the inheritance. Yhwach howls. He gathers the last of his power, the sum total of every future, every possibility, every linked and chained cause—a spear of absolute finality—and hurls it at Ichigo’s back. The spear flies. And one foot from Ichigo’s spine, it meets a nothingness that isn’t empty. It doesn’t explode. It doesn’t vanish. It unbecomes. Every link in its causal structure simply… lets go. The energy dissociates. The intent forgets its purpose. The future loses its path. It dissipates like a breath into still air. Ichigo doesn’t look back. He walks toward the shattered edge of the palace, toward the bleeding sky of the collapsing worlds. YHWACH (collapsing to his knees, not in pain, in understanding) A… zero divisor. ICHIGO (stopping at the edge, looking out at The Calamity) No. The thing you multiply by to get zero. He steps off the edge. But he doesn’t fall. The crumbling sky meets him. The swirling chaos of the collapsing Soul Society, Living World, and Hueco Mundo—the cataclysm called The Calamity—parts around him like water around a stone. He walks into the storm, and the storm cannot touch him. Not because he’s powerful. Because he is, finally, non-associative. The chaos cannot link to him. The destruction cannot chain to him. He is the un-anchored variable. The free element. The last thing we see is his back, small and steady, receding into the blinding, chaotic light. A final whisper, carried on a wind that shouldn’t exist: ICHIGO (V.O.) The blade is me. And I… am the door collapsed open. SCENE END POST-CREDITS SCENE EXT. KARAKURA TOWN - DAWN The sky is healing. A strange, new, solid blue. The air is 283.14 Kelvin exactly. On a rooftop, ORIHIME watches the sunrise. She feels a presence beside her. She turns. ICHIGO is there. No injuries. No glowing power. Just… Ichigo. In a normal jacket. His hands in his pockets. ORIHIME Ichigo… is it over? He looks at the new sun. At the new world growing, painfully, from the ashes of the old. ICHIGO No. (small smile) It’s just… unlinked. He takes her hand. His grip is warm. Human. Terribly, beautifully ordinary. FADE TO BLACK. FINAL CARD: ***THE CALAMITY*** ***END*** Or is it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigintaduonion --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cayley–Dickson_construction @Leo Gura Hello I hope you are well. Where would you go after this , in this story? I think my back is crushed from the whole damn Cayley Table over Zero Divisor power
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AmIEvenReal replied to AmIEvenReal's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
you are nothing, yes that's accurate summary, but final stage of deconstruction would be even void collapsing and vanishing, as void/nothingness has subtle duality in it: there's no-thing - nothing exists in opposition to something that could exist that duality could be deconstructed too -
CosmicTrekker replied to CosmicTrekker's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Thanks for taking time to respond. I think I get the gist of what you're saying. I think what you're saying is that, the idea or perception of the self as a conscious being at its root is also just another idea, that it is the reduced down to a minimum possible essence of what a human being is. And if I understood what you're saying, no matter how reduced down this essence is, it's still not the absolute. Reading between the lines, you seen to be implying that there is something even beyond 'i-amness/being/existence'. Would be grateful if you could point out if I've misunderstood what you're actually saying, and talk a little more about what is beyond the purest form of 'I amness' Many years ago, I had an experience of what I thought was the base substrate of reality, but even though there was no forms of an eye, there was still an alive presence. It was like discovering that nothingness was not nothingness but rather aliveness without a centre. -
Below is an AI transcription of my audio recording, since they can't be directed posted here. It'd be interested in any comments anyone can make about the accuracy of what's presented, especially stuff I might be misunderstanding or misconstruing. Many thanks. --- To say that I’ve been doing anything like reflecting or investigating would just be bullshit. All I am basically doing—and again, "doing" is not the right word—is witnessing. "Doing" implies that I have some sort of autonomy in the decision-making in terms of what actually flows. In reality, there is no autonomy that I can speak of with any degree of confidence. I just feel like I’m being pushed into a corner that I can't escape from, and it’s not my doing. If it were based on my own free will and choice, I certainly wouldn't be pushing myself into a corner. This has nothing to do with my doing, and that is the whole truth. I know teachers like Robert Adams say, "Okay, fine, you're not in charge, you're not the doer, but you have to act in the world as if you were the doer." I don't know about that. Because when you seem to act, all you come across is just another wall—a big sign saying "No Entrance" or "Private Property." I woke up this morning with that idea as well: everything is unfolding as it has to. There is something bigger at play here. If you look at our experiences in terms of what we experience in the moment, we don’t really have a choice. We are just presented with situations and circumstances. In a particular situation, it may appear that you have a choice, but that choice is just going to be another arising. Something happened earlier today that was quite distinct from previous observations. It was this idea of "I-amness." I probably won't do it justice in my description, but I’ll try my best. This "I-amness" is always there. No matter what situation arises, the "I-amness" is the background. Whether it is observing a particular thought or a sensory experience, the "I-amness" is the thing that is always there. That is the thing that is unchanging and always present. I suppose this is what they mean by "resting in I am." There are a million and one different ways that teachers describe this, but essentially it boils down to: what is the background of all experiences? Speaking of experiences, we tend to have a very dualistic view of what they are. We think there is a thing behind the experience that is observing the experience, which creates duality. In essence, however, reality forms into that experience. When you are worrying about something, there is a collection of thoughts and feelings in the body. That whole thing—including the sense of someone seeing those things—is all one. It comes as one complete package. When we shift from one experience to the next, that "thing" simply reconfigures itself as a different experience. Irrespective of what the experience is about, there is this sense of "I-amness." You can’t really pinpoint it because when you first attempt to do so, you take the attributes of the things being observed and attribute them to the "I-amness." But "I-amness" is attribute-less; it doesn't have any attributes of its own. It is the background or the screen, so to speak. The insight was simply this: all of the teachings are about filtering out as much of "not you" as possible and disidentifying from the sense of "I" to see what remains. Once you strip everything away, you can't really "look" at this "I-amness." It isn't even a feeling. To call it a feeling is a misnomer because it is there before the feeling. It has to be there before the feeling can be experienced. This "I-amness" is the essence of who we are. Do things open up if you rest in this "I-amness" and keep going back to it over and over again? Does realizing that every experience is just a transitory phenomenon—a reconfiguration of this space—open up new ways of understanding? I don't know. But certainly, "I-amness" seems to be the ground of reality and the root of everything, as far as I can tell. Perhaps even "I-amness" eventually dissolves into nothingness, which is what people like Nisargadatta Maharaj talk about—that even consciousness is a product of nothingness. My gut instinct is that "I-amness" is inherent in that nothingness. The attribute-less emptiness of your true being seems to be the base. Perhaps there is a deeper layer where even "I-amness" disappears into nothingness, which is amazing to think about—that out of nothingness first comes a sense of self, an "I." That "I" is then entangled. But to say it is "entangled" implies it is separate from the thing it is entangled with. I don't think that's the case. I think both the "I am" and the thing that "I am" is observing—the witness aspect—are one and same. It’s like a shape-shifting thing where the center is always "I am." There is a common locus around which thoughts and sensory experiences shape-shift. That’s the best I can do in terms of articulating my experiences and the conclusions that arise from them. What reality actually is, I don't know. I’ve only been able to condense it down to these few things. "I-amness" seems to be the prerequisite for any sort of experience. It can also exist in the absence of experience, other than the experience of itself—the "knowingness" that I am. Recognizing this permanent background is the first step. Perhaps if one were to rest there, deeper insights would arise. For the time being, at this level, it seems to be the base. I had an experience many years ago where I saw what pure "I-amness" is, bereft of any experience. It was like a uniform, self-illuminating white light. It seemed to be the substrate, though God knows how many other layers are hidden behind that. For now, I'm just going to keep coming back to this "I-amness." In thought, it's easy to get caught up in a virtual world and forget. It is important to keep returning to the "I-amness" and try to experience it in the absence of thought. If the absence of thought cannot be achieved, then at least acknowledge that it is always there in the background. From there, maybe something will open up. For now, it is sufficient to keep returning to the "I" and understanding that it is the common denominator. Let’s leave it at that.
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The following post might not make much sense to you if you haven't reached a high enough consciousness at some point in your life. Yesterday, I took 300mg of DXM. Long story short, at the peak of the trip, I just realized how fucking radical it is for anything like consciousness to exist at all. It felt like I 'broken' reality and went to a place where I was aware of my room, my body, the entire universe including all others, and could clearly see how they are all just being constructed in some kind of void, alongside all of existence. I could clearly understand that this void is what I've always been, but because of distractions in life (such as having a human identity, having to go to school, etc.), I somehow mistakenly stopped identified as the infinite void and genuinely started believing I was a 'person in a world.' Kind of like: You start playing a hypothetical video game in VR that lasts 80+ years. At first, you clearly know you are inside a game. But as time goes on, due to the sheer length of the game and how immersive it is, you genuinely start to believe you are the 'character in the game' rather than a player playing as a character inside the game. It also made me just think of how stupid materialism is: "I can picture a planet inside my mind. If you somehow dissect my entire body and brain, you would not find a planet anywhere inside my body." So where is the image of the planet occurring? Nowhere! Reality is literally happening nowhere. "Nothing" IS the background to everything. And this nothing is Me/You. We are literally the same being/awareness/nothingness. When I die, and when you die (or when I stop imagining myself and this world, and when you stop imagining yourself and the world) we will both return to being the same being. It is the only being that exists. And this being is literally 'nothing.' It is the primordial void. God. When we are so immersed in our lives and with survival, we fail to grasp the obvious due to being immersed in many delusions. But if you take a psychedelic or dissociative, you can clearly see just how radical reality is. Solipsism is true once you reach a high enough consciousness: THERE IS ONLY ONE MIND THAT EXISTS! AND ITS ME/YOU. If you are reading this and are conscious, that is me reading my own message. It doesn't matter if you are dissociated and you don't realize right now that you are also the one typing this post. But you are me. I am you. You are literally me in another point in this infinite dream. I am you in another point in infinity. However, quite literally, we are the same being at our core. I feel like now I understand what "Death is imaginary" really means. Death is literally you/me completely stopping the identification of being a 'body in a world.' You become your true self. Which is the infinite void/nothingness/god that precedes all of reality and is the only thing to exist. I also realized why it's called 'God.' Because: You have to realize how impossible it is for anything to exist at all. Seriously. Even if you a staunch materialist, you run into the infinite regress problem. What 'space' did the big bang occur in? What preceded the big bang? The only thing that CAN exist (God) IS the only thing that DOES exist. God is a self-aware nothingness in which literally everything arises, from people, relationships, universes, matter, etc. The substance of everything IS nothing at the deepest level. Do you realize just how truly INSANE it is for anything to exist at all? That is a miracle of such proportions that if your consciousness isn't high enough, you just accept 'things existing' and life occurring as if its nothing special. NO!! Realize just how FUCKING CRAZY it is that things, bodies, planets, etc. exist at all.
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Someone here replied to kavaris's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
It's a paradox not a mistake or contradiction . They call it the Gateless Gate or the Groundless Ground . No substance or ground to reality is the same thing as saying the substance is Nothingness or Infinity . The word "consciousness " does seem problematic if you mean consciousness in the conventional sense like being awake or alert and perceiving things like right now vs being unconcious like when you are in deep sleep. What spiritual people call "consciousness " is not perception..its another word for Nothingness or Infinity. -
Mellowmarsh replied to Terell Kirby's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
The knower knows itself as a concept, yes. And every conceivable concept is known, which immediately implies a knowing. However, this knowing or conscious awareness is never actually seen as a direct physical object separate from the knowing. The concept known as ‘knower’ is a thought known. A thought has no actual solidity. And science and physics has already shown that every known apparent solid object is made of the empty space it occupies. What is a ‘thought’ ? Or, what is awareness, or what is space, or emptiness? Those are the most unanswered questions to all our answers, aren’t they? Sounds like a paradox because the very knowledge that there’s a knower that knows it exists immediately presents the duality of knower and known, or subject and object both. And that’s my best description of what’ knowing’ is.. it’s a unitary knowing that can never know or experience itself as an actual conceptual object known, because no object known is ever aware or knows it exists, no object is ever physically seen, objects are just known concepts by the only knowing there is. Only knowing that’s not an object, but knows every object. This description points to a nothingness that only appears to be a something, or an everything, but isn’t anything at all. -
Leo Gura replied to Terell Kirby's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Correct. God is clay minus the clay, since clay is finite. Infinite clay = Nothingness. -
Someone here replied to Hojo's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
No . I woke up this morning for something completely out of my control. If you sleep and never wake up..what is that called ? Death . The only reason existence exists as forms is because of the existence of the formless .deep sleep is formlessness and this experience right now is form. If I ask why is there something rather than nothing ?..its because there is nothing that there can be something. Try this experiment..sleep-deprive for a whole week ..zero sleep ..this is the result: you will realize that this moment right now is NOT existence or something Ness or consciousness. Why ? Because without sleeping and erasing all experience you can't have its opposite. Without nothingness there cannot be something Ness. -
Leo Gura replied to r0ckyreed's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Nothingness is not non-existence. It is existence. Empy existence. Non-existence does not exist. Do not confuse Nothingness with non-existence. That is a major mistake. -
Does Non-Existence exist? Does Nothingness really exist? If Existence/Consciousness is the foundation of reality, then what is Nothingness or Non-Existence? We cannot talk about non-existence or Nothingness without first discussing what Existence is. What I mean by existence is everything that you experience within your consciousness. If you cannot see it, hear it, smell it, feel it, taste it, or think it, it does not exist. I would say that Nothingness and Non-existence are different. Non-Existence points to something that no longer exists or has never existed and Nothingness points to something that exists but has either no attributes or infinite attributes -- Think of a blank canvas or the emptiness of space. With non-existence, there is not even blankness or emptiness of space. Space = Nothingness and Space = Non-existent are two different ideas. Here are some examples of Non-Existence: 1. Being a virgin (sex is non-existent for you, you have had 0 sex) 2. Your dead great-great-grandparents (they are literally physically non-existent) 3. A Purple Elephant native to Earth (maybe there is one on a different planet but none native to earth). 4. Santa Clause (Santa is an idea in your mind that points to something that does not actually exist) 5. Bertrand Russell's Celestial Teapot 6. A memory/dream that you forgotten 7. Your childhood/youth (your health/vitality will one day be non-existent) 8. Death (this is a tricky one depending on how you look at it. Death can be seen as Non-existent or as Nothingness.) Here are some examples of Nothingness: 1. Empty Consciousness (no thought, no mind) 2. Ego (The ego's reality is nothingness, it is made out of thought made out of nothing, it's not made out of anything) 3. Thought (its not made out of anything) 4. The empty space that holds all objects in existence 5. The substance of anything is made out of Nothingness. Even science tells us that objects are made out of emptiness. 6. State of Consciousness during sleep and during pre-birth. 6. Death (this is a tricky one depending on how you look at it. Death can be seen as Non-existent or as Nothingness.) What are your thoughts? Does Nothingness and Non-existence exist? When we say Consciousness or Existence is the foundation of reality, do we mean that the foundation of Infinity/Existence is Nothingness? How does Existence relate to Non-Existence?
