Is Understanding Consciousness Considered a Developable Skill?

[No1Here2c]

I feel this is an important question to ask in regards to this work. Is Understanding of Consciousness a Skill that can be improved or are you simply born into a single state and that is where you remain?

Obviously we who are here know that this is a developable skill that takes hard work and practice to not only utilize but retain. 

There are several many methods on how to develop this skill, but there is also a huge Luck component. Genetics, Life circumstances, and access to certain methods are severe limiting factors. 

Why does God allow some of us to earn this skill and not others?

What are your opinions on this matter?

Edited 2 hours ago by No1Here2c

[Leo Gura]

It's like math. You have a certain baseline level of raw genetic math ability, but you can also do a lot of work to master math. Without lots of practice you will not understand math. But if you are mentally retarded no amount of work will be enough to be good at math. Some people are just better at math than others. But everyone requires work to become great at math.

Edited 21 hours ago by Leo Gura

[No1Here2c]

This still does not explain the Luck component. Not insofar as I am Aware. Perhaps only partially if any at all.

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[Leo Gura]

@No1Here2c Yeah, there is a luck component because material reality is very chaotic. A butterfly fart in Brazil could cause a tornado in your back yard. And it's hard to learn math when a tornado flings your house across the horizon.

Luck just means that there's a lot of moving parts to reality which don't revolve around you.

Skill always involves handling chaos. Life is controlled chaos.

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[No1Here2c]

@Leo Gura

So we are on the same page?

I happen to call Luck, what you name Navigation of Chaos.

But is not the ability to Navigate Chaos dependent upon the Luck of that skill in various facets of Life?

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[No1Here2c]

It seems to fold over upon itself?

[Leo Gura]

14 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

But is not the ability to Navigate Chaos dependent upon the Luck of that skill in various facets of Life?

All skill requires a body. A body requires genetics. Genetics is chaotic.

Genetics IS a navigation of chaos.

But genetics is not enough. You have to develop and train on top of it.

No one is born with an understanding of Consciousness.

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[No1Here2c]

@Leo Gura

But you can certainly be born with the Intuition which leads you to that understanding.

you can have been gifted the Curiosity and Bravery to be willing to grow this skill.

Those are inherited traits it would seem. Again it all ties back to Luck. Chaos. Call it what you must.

Edited 19 hours ago by No1Here2c

[thierry]

Courage is the key. Everyone is free to be brave, in whatever way that bravery may appear. And in that sense, everyone holds, to some degree, access to Love/Truth.

 

[Leo Gura]

14 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

But you can certainly be born with the Intuition which leads you to that understanding.

Understanding requires a mind. A mind requires a body. A body requires genetics.

Yes, the mind is shaped by genetics. If you had bad luck you would be a psychopath or a retarded chimpanzee. Life is unfair.

Edited 19 hours ago by Leo Gura

[thierry]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Understanding requires a mind. A mind requires a body. A body requires genetics.

Yes, the mind is shaped by genetics. If you had bad luck you would be a psychopath or a retarded chimpanzee.

That’s pretty black pilled. Why does one incarnate as chimpanzee or as Da Vinci ? Haven’t you find it yet ? 

[Joseph Maynor]

Who here has remained in a single state?  I've interacted with most of you over time, some of you for a long time.  Who hasn't improved over time?  Only the most stubborn people do not develop over time.  And these can include spiritual people.  That's not the factor: The factor seems to be a willingness to explore and listen and grow over time.  

[Leo Gura]

29 minutes ago, thierry said:

That’s pretty black pilled. Why does one incarnate as chimpanzee or as Da Vinci ? Haven’t you find it yet ? 

From the absolute POV there is no difference between incarnating as Da Vinci or a retarded chimpanzee. Both are equally valid. It is a human bias to judge these things.

Edited 19 hours ago by Leo Gura

[No1Here2c]

It seems we've run into a dead end in this conversation. Hopefully somebody has gained insight somewhere from it all.

[LastThursday]

It should be noticed that the process of understanding consciousness happens within consciousness. To understand one aspect of consciousness requires understanding that it is self-referential by nature.

[No1Here2c]

52 minutes ago, LastThursday said:

It should be noticed that the process of understanding consciousness happens within consciousness. To understand one aspect of consciousness requires understanding that it is self-referential by nature.

Ah-ha

1 hour ago, No1Here2c said:

It seems we've run into a dead end

The Nature of it is Dead End. There is at some point an inflection point where it all ties back into itself. Due to its paradoxical nature you at some point run up upon shore, and this shore is none other than shorelessness.

Much like a vessel beached upon sands of nothingness. Simultaneously sailing the wicked tides while being stranded in stationary motion.

Edited 12 hours ago by No1Here2c

[No1Here2c]

But the age old question still remains:

are you absolutely sure?

[Davino]

Develop it to the best of your capabilities, that's what matters

[UnbornTao]

I don't see it as a skill, but simply as consciousness of what's true. Contemplation is a skill. Questioning is a skill. We might even say that being honest requires practice, but what you're talking about is really different in nature from a skill. And why do you mention 'state'? The rest sounds like excuses. How many assumptions underlie your question?

Edited 5 hours ago by UnbornTao

[gettoefl]

One things is needed: trust. What is trust? Letting go of what you think you are. So the real can enter. Few can conceive of undertaking such madness. It can only be done now not tomorrow. Tomorrow this tweet is forgotten and I am enjoying life again.