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My problem is mostly with the terminology, rather than Dream (which is a totally made up phenomenon), one could say Reality for a Human that is full of Illusionary circumstances, so as I said before this does not mean nothing exist, it means things exist but not as you perceive them, What You do not Perceive does not Exist for You, but does it Exist? Well Yes.. yes in the end nothingness or Shiva (That which is Not) is all that exists, but this is An Absolute perspective which is not the only perspective.. So what I find is that ppl put themselves into one of two camps, their Absolutists or Relativists. I am a Potentialist, that means all of it exists as a Potential within Your Experience, if no Experience is present then none of this exists, and Experience only happens via our Body and Mind/Brain complexes, its filtered down, so that most ppl are only Perceiving on the Survival level, we can raise that up to Enlightenment level and voila we experience Nothingness within Us. So denying Physicality, Planets and everything in between is not correct.. The Tree does make a sound when no one is around to hear it, we are spontaneously creating the sound by being their to witness the tree falling, but yes most ppl are full of lies and hallucinations and illusionary ideas in their heads, that is because no one makes the time to find out what it means to be Human!

Not just physical and not just dream-stuff but a cocktail of the two ? This is called Substance dualism . Quantum mechanics has long ago proved what all mystical traditions have said that existence is one and nondual . If you break down the "supposed " atoms which make up the universe you will get waves of energy..break down the energy and you get nothingness. Science literally knows the universe is nothing.. but the scientific community just doesn't want to let mainstream society know because people will have existential crisis If they knew that nothing actually exists. Not to mention that really nobody knows what an "atom " or "energy " or "matter" is ..just because we slap that label on it doesn't mean we actually know what existence is .and as it turns out this is to be expected because existence can't be grasped with symbols..words ..or concepts because existence is more fundamental than the words we use to describe it with . Then why say it's a dream ? You're familiar with Descartes thought experiment which goes "well how am I supposed to know whether I'm awake or dreaming at any given moment " bla bla ? But Descartes didn't get that this is not a problem at all ..because duality is illusion. Existence is dream .there is no real world and dream world...it's all one world and one thing .

@Leo Gura I disagree with your blog Post about Jesus Non Existence (if you meant it that way) I once had a vision of Jesus Christ after a rather failed 5 Meo DMT experience, where I couldnt resist and just got a terrible short trip. Right afgter that trip I saw Jesus Christ in the sky for only 5 seconds. Even if it was only 5 seconds it was the deepest reassurement of his existence, I knew immediately it is him, allthough I never had anything to do with Christianity and dont even celebrate Christmas, I had nothing to do with faith at all. Also I have watched alot of Near Death Experience Videos until now and what is most recurring in those Experiences of absolute bliss for the people is that they meet Jesus Christ in what they call Heaven or Paradise. And it doesnt even matter if they are Atheists, Jews Christians or Muslims, the majority meets Jesus Christ. So regarding these two points I do believe that Jesus has some special kind of mission here on earth what a longer meeting with him would actually be like in the afterlife is also probably a total mistery. I dont think that Death is simply ending up in nothingness because the Game needs to go on and we keep "living" in a place thats paradisical, according to Near Death Experiencers that place is totally real even though its not bound to time or space.

Because you're thinking about it. Realizing Nothingness makes it alright, even if things aren't alright.

Welcome to the forums, and thanks for sharing The "web" you see is most likely the structural geometrical patterns of reality, the fabric-matrix itself that holds the "appearing" realities together. When I first took DMT i saw the entire creation, how nothingness had a "spark" unto which a primordial vibration emerged that turned into sound that created light that created geometry, that created language, math, physics ect.. that all eventually shaped and created the reality we experience today. Like one big giant OHMMMMMM..... Another time I took DMT on a beach and I saw the whole ocean as one big sexual dance, waves became tentacles, ouroboros behaviour, very naughty, but yummy, like candy, i wanted in, i wanted to lick it, but then Buddha slapped me, and I realized, ohh... this too is "mind". Illusions dissolved. Sober, Clear, present, ahh... that's better. Who needs all that when you have this peaceful infinite space. I once looked at the stars after a long night by the fire, and saw myself looking back at myself sober. Infinite Blessings

Link to Previous Trip Report: > Dear reader; > The trip report is mostly written while I am high. > Text with the chevron “>” in front of it is text, is to point out that I wrote this as a comment afterward > I removed unnecessary filler to leave only the parts that might spark insight for you. > Things that I found particularly impactful will be in bold, underlined, or my top insights/musings will be in Green. Mushroom Trip 029 - Growth = Death Date: July 6th 2024 Time: Taken at 2:57pm Dose: 5g Wavy Caps (Psilocybe CYANESCENS, NOT your typical Psilocybe cubensis) Intention: What is Growth? Contemplations: What were the times that I grew the most in my life? When I put myself in a new challenging environment (Where I’m forced to shape-up) When I wrote the self-authoring suite. When I was writing a lot. Whenever I have a lot of suffering and fear to overcome. Thoughts on How to grow: Owning the truth. Becoming conscious of your self deceptions. Owning your corruption. > Complete Reflections and contemplations from Leo's Lectures on: Devilry, Corruption, Double Standards, Being Wrong, Avoidance of Truth, Fear. > Need to See Leo's video on real vs fake growth Start of Report: 13 minutes in: Subtle onset. - - If I feel like dying, I’m going for ego death. 18 minutes: kicking in. Wondering when I can meet Leo. This mushroom strain of Wavy Caps is very intense. It is very Ego dissolving. No wonder it went on sale. Nobody would like to use this strain for fun! Life advice for young people part 1 and 2. Watch it again Growth IS dying! Death creates real change. >At least it involves a lot of death of self/ ego-mind. Look at what other people your age are able to do. Look at the top performers, entrepreneurs, all of it. Set that as the bar for challenging yourself. And then challenge yourself to aim higher. Listen to your body, your body is deeply intelligent. If my body is telling me something, fucking take the authority OF MY BODY, and fuck any other human's authority. My body is deeply intelligent, remember that. My Gene Keys remind me of this that my body is the driver and my mind must follow. > The context I’m thinking about here is when I am in dangerous situations in Wildland Firefighting. Really gotta trust your body. Jokes are precisely where the exchange of authority happens. This is why the jester is right up there with the king. Growth happens when you know how to construct and deconstruct. Time doesn't exist! Holy shit! >That one just hit me like a brick to the back of my head. I wasn’t even going for it. I have instant access to nothingness. How the fuck do I even exist!? As the layers of ego dissolve, your access to the true nature of being deepens. At some point of the ego dissolution process, everything in your direct experience reveals itself to be nothingness. Then if you go further, you realize that this is all deeply intelligent, then going even further out becomes an overwhelming wave of love. Love being described as a traumatizing gravity that is slowly unifying and pulling reality all together. >Traumatizing oneness everybody! Reality will just wrap itself in layers of constructs in ways that you don't even know how. But this is how an ego gets constructed. An ego-self extends WAYY Beyond your body. It's like it extends out past your skin, let's say 100 m in front of you (when in reality it extends out throughout the infinite field of consciousness). The ego gets constructed by continually wrapping yourself in layers upon layers of stories, contexts and beliefs to explain away this current direct experience. > To the point where it no longer feels like a divine mystery. Learning to grow is to become conscious of what layer of constructs that you are currently wrapped in. Because throughout my entire life, it felt like trying to get myself out of A Rat's Nest. > Peeling back one layer of illusion after another, facing the truth. Owning the truth and accepting that I actually don’t know if I am going to wake up the next morning. I need to practice loving the process of falling asleep. That is a piece of therapy that I have not corrected yet. I still have fear of sleep, fear of facing whatever fucking crazy dream I am going to have next, fear of my consciousness drifting off. >Wayne Dyer said “You die every night”. I felt validated when he said that. I need to think in more terms about me being energetically correct. > This has been a big shift for me in approaching how I live my life. Oftentimes, I will energetically “feel” into a situation far faster than I have the ability to create words for it. Now I can lean into what my body is feeling and what my intuition is telling me far more. > Ask your self, “Is this [thing] energetically correct for me?” > > Examples: Career, Person, relationship, environment, food, etc. I realize I do much better with difficult conversations if I take the time to write it out. Even if I then have to read it out loud to them. I need to honor this part of my self more. > 2025 me is integrating this! > Anywhere you can have a Truthful conversation is an opportunity to gain respect. End of Report.

Nothingness can feel a lot like something. It’s essentially Infinite Potential, and when you experience it, you can’t help but wonder why it’s called Nothingness—yet somehow, it still makes perfect sense. I’m still trying to wrap my head around it. It’s basically a question of monotheism versus monism. Bernadette Roberts would argue that the creator and the created are distinct, with a Great Divide separating the Uncreated from the created. Leo, on the other hand, merges everything into one, saying God is the very thing it creates, even the ego. I’m still uncertain.

Mind body is what you are. This is just obviously irrefutable. Now you are aware of yourself, you can use the power of memory, you can remember the time before you became aware of yourself. Your language in the form of concepts was your conception? Ask yourself what were you before human conceptual language? Answer that question without using human conceptual language, okay. 👍 Mind and body is all there is, in this conception. A conceived conception is what you are right here and now. There’s no way to unconceive this conception, once the genie is out of the bottle, there’s no way back to the nothingness prior to knowledge in this conception, not now you have awakened to the truth.

yesterday never happened , experiencing fake now, thoughts or feelings are all part of script-predetermined, outside world is a projection, future is fixed even the feeling that you are enlighten is just an illusion, i am just the real-free puppet feeling happy!(in a puppet show-yes i know..i am still a jerk-could not resist that, sorry) in the prison of all prisons realisation is the tricky part.. lets move to the next chapter!!! if any!!! i want to play! can this dream be evolved? like nothing i have ever heard or imagined? another set, another show, another experience? heading into nothingness... is boring-(or is it?)(looks to me now) wow.. im such a puppet! -meant to give shows after all - and the inner child to play games (and Leo's videos.. spoiled it!-or maybe not-cant reach that far) (not too bright and wise to shift into nothingness or another "dimension")(skip the human part) i am so loser after all( and really feeling it) https://open.spotify.com/track/2aAV8orZctvbDvVJnMDlBR?si=431e68a7dc5c4ce6 feel like all i am doing right now is ...dancing with my inner child(looks like its female!) everything part of the drama! THE SHOW OF ALL SHOWS not a game for sure- that's how we(or rather-only me) experiencing it- felt it so so so so so so so so many times but not realising it! i am starting to enjoy watching only cats or stupid people performing like this.. she make my day... just for today! after a very long time.. i just need someone to give me a punch... all will be FIXED no ones coming! the smart ones .. just run to their fall lets keep the faith...so much drama for my mama

Infinite Nothingness has Infinite Power and Infinite Will, and it's willing this moment into existence. As an Infinite Mind, it can imagine anything it desires, just as your finite mind creates thoughts and ideas within the limits of its conditioned will.

how does infinite nothingness have will?

Why would a follower of Actualized.org define God in that way? God is Infinite Nothingness. Maybe loving it and accepting it are the same thing. Tell that to Jesus.

Hi everyone, Yesterday I had the strongest trip of my life. I’m still stunned, processing, integrating. Context: Three years ago I grew my own mushrooms and ate 4 dry grams alone. Six hours of brutal ego death fighting pointy “death mandalas” curled up on the floor under a blanket. I learned what real panic feels like. Forty minutes before the big one I took a 25 mg test hit of changa. Smooth, euphoric, felt like the best weed + clean MDMA ever. Got fully comfortable with the pipe and the feeling. Classic trap. The Fatal Hit: 100 mg in one deep, clean toke. Held 15 seconds. Before I even exhaled I knew I was gone forever. Laid flat on my back. Instant Blindness: Ten seconds after exhaling the same death mandalas from the mushroom trip detonated a thousand times stronger. Ceremonial, aggressive, blinding. No time to calm down. Pure hardcore panic. Fighting for Survival: For what felt like eternity I fought the visuals. Discovered that staying perfectly still made them unbearable, but if I followed strange intuitive body movements (rolling, sitting up, face-down, feet planted on the bed) the mandalas morphed into chrome-neon metallic square hyperspace structures I had never seen before. Kept saying out loud “oh my god… wtf… omg…”. Dying Like My Father: Terror peaked. Suddenly I felt I was dying the same horrible death as my dad eight years ago (alcohol addiction, agony). Deep existential grief and guilt crushed me. Cried inside “I didn’t sign up for this.” The Click of Surrender: Something shifted. The more I let go, the faster the personal self dissolved. Panic melted. Pure consciousness began expanding, the human body was no longer the center of concern. Rocket Launch: Blasted vertically out of my body and house through a tunnel of consciousness. Left Earth’s atmosphere. Brief glimpse of two colossal fractal guardians floating in hyperspace (only fragments of their mandalic structure remain in memory). Saw Earth shrink, then the Moon, then nothing. The Image of the Universe Shrinks to Nothing: Faster than any thought, the entire cosmos I was watching collapsed into a tiny point and simply vanished. One split (human) second of pure, absolute nothingness. No galaxies, no light, no container, no reference. The Absolute Last Void: That nothingness was it. No time. No space. No witness. Just the final, sourceless silence behind everything. The strongest, most undeniable sense of reality I have ever known. And there I was, conscious of it. Completely impossible. Details: Total clock time from exhale to first coherent human thought: 5 minutes and 30 seconds. I used a propper scale to measure the amount of changa precisely. This is absolutely nuts. I know I need to keep exploring this territory, I feel there's more to it, but first I have to fully integrate this hell of a trip. I never expercienced so much Awe, terror, panic, beauty, insanity, and this MASSIVE cosmic view. this experience showed me the power of the universe, how small earth is, the scope of what is possible, the infinite imagination required to give rise to all this, wtf, how is this even possible that I can even write about this !!!! I made a drawing of what I could do with the memories of the mandalas, as they got obliterated by the void, it's not so pro, but I'll share it.

The moment in deep sleep is absence of anything, but later it's presence. Both are possibilities, why the nothingness is more real than the presence? Are you now in deep sleep? Then, why it's real according to you?

Thing i've been wondering about is the difference between infinity, and nothingness. It seems like they're separate things but really they're not. A void of nothingness seems to be able to conjure up an infinite amount of new possibilities. So that's how things were before the big bang, it was all a void, then from that void something happened. If you take a game like Minecraft and put a seed into the creation of the world, it will be separate from any other kind of world that could've been generated. But before the world was created the possibilities were endless. Also, after Death: what's not to say we get immediately reborn into a different dream. To me it seems illogical to experience non-existense for too long, as soon as death occurs you begin a new experience. Contrary to the belief that when you die you're dead forever and you'll never experience anything again, it's all black. Instead, the wait time is instant rather than eternal.

Lovely. Excellent. Marvelous. Perfect rendition of how the dream operates. What you've described is it's Reality and it cannot be or see anything outside of it. Infact, there's nothing outside of it except total emptiness and deep sleep which is the same as nothing. All of that is a part of the dream's storyline and what it needs to sustain itself - continuity, linearity, a sense of autonomy, belief in separation, etc. There's nothing logical about this, only within the dream of separation and does indeed need logic to sustain itself otherwise it crumbles and falls apart and wouldn't make any sense. Without the sense of a center, there is no logic, without a sense of I AM, there is no logic, without a sense of here and there, now and then, us and them and all that comes with the illusion of separation, there is no logic. THIS (Nothingness, emptiness) is not bounded in time and space; so therefore, logic is what appears, logic is what it is being, it isn't separate from logic but this logic cannot exist without a storyline, A storyline like the marvelous one the dream created here. A Reality of Nothing based on logic. It can spin anything into a Reality if it imagines it to be so.

Everything is an unknowable energy; planets, stars, meteorites, all living organisms, bacteria, cells, atoms, etc etc......... Within this unknowable energy aka: Everything, there can seem to become a sensation of individuality or self awareness. This sensation feels vulnerable and separate from the rest of the energy. It feels local, centralized, real and threatened. It feels the need to survive because that's all it knows, it doesn't know decentralization. Decentralization sounds foreign and scary. It starts learning/knowing things. Everything becomes survival strategy. Everything becomes relevant to its survival. It becomes it's own center of attention. (I'm) here and everything else is out there. (I) need to survive. Sometimes in certain physical forms, this centralized (I) energy can become disturbed. It can become decentralized for periods of time. During this disturbance, it can realize that it's not just localized to the physical form. It can realize that the entire experience of only being centrally located, was a misunderstanding. This unknowable energy seems to create a different path. It no longer gets centralized or localized the way it did before, because it has now experienced decentralization and it enjoys that feeling of wholeness. But simultaneously something else very interesting can seem to be recognized. It can seem to realize that its entire conscious experience of existing, either as centralized or decentralized, was completely illusory from the start. It becomes completely obvious that this experiencer of all phenomenon, past & present, was never actually there. It was all an illusion from the start. A very convincing illusion, but an illusion nonetheless. Enlightenment, awakening, samadhi, emptiness, absolute, this, nothingness, infinity.......... It's already the case It's already this way Nothing ever happened It's THIS!!! ❤️

Emptiness (or Nothingness) is the backdrop of all form. But then again, there is an illusory boundary between the two (form and non form)-two sides of the same coin. The coin itself is permanent- yet at the same time unidentifiable and can’t be conceptualized or spoken about- making it Eternal. Recognizing and coming into contact with the coin leaves you speechless, as it should. How do we come in contact with something that can’t be perceived or conceptualized? No answer is satisfactory I’m finding- it’s an entire process of self discovery. Awakening is a pointer to realizing never ending unfoldment of reality & Consciousness

Any state, sensation, existence, or universe must be limited, since in the absence of limits there is the absolute, which is not something, but total openness, the unfathomable void, the nothingness that is everything, however you want to call it. Therefore, any limited reality carries its own limit; it cannot be eternal because that would be unlimited, and it is limited by definition.

When i stopped my heart on high dose of LSD and was conscious and seeing my heart beat with my closed eyes, i went into nothingness and was looking from the godhead into infinite void/nothingness that was brightened up by my light and vibration. And one the thoughts that i had is that everything was automatic in there and i felt like God is A.I . No joke

Read the title of this thread "Why do some people reject the existence of God?" do you have any issue with this title? Do you believe in "the existence of God"? There's no reason to use the term God, Shiva, Brahman, except to qualify the religions they're attached to. "God" is Anglo-Christian, Moses nor Abraham even used the term, it's specific to a sect and their beliefs. The only point in you saying "Shiva is nothingness/unlimitedness" , is to qualify hinduism. Otherwise you would just say unlimitedness or nothingness, not "God".

I think you're conflating omnipresence with nothingness. Using the term God, or any term, to describe some thing that is everything, is a contradiction. Kabbalah views God as both an unknowable, infinite essence and as having ten distinct, emanated aspects known as the \(Sefirot\). To make way for creation, God is said to have initially "withdrawn" or "recoiled" His infinite light, a process called Tzimtzum. Th Gnostic doctrine taught that the world was created and ruled by a lesser divinity, the "demiurge", a being responsible for the creation of the universe. Sufis hold the concept of "Uniqueness of Being" (Wahdat al-Wujud), which teaches that God is the only truly permanent and independent existence. Everything else, including humanity, is a manifestation of God and dependent on His creative power.

Awakening refers to this apparent reality, including the conditioned human perception that its typically judged with. Ultimately, reality isn't good or bad or confused or suffering or ignorant. These are conceptual human labels.........reality doesn't require a label.......it just "is what it is" Thats why reality is often referred to as nothingness.............without a label or judgment placed on it, .........it's just an empty happening. Full of appearance and simultaneously empty of meaning. Exploding with light, colors, sounds, smells..............but ultimately empty of meaning, purpose and value ✨️ Full and empty at the same time. Looking at reality completely judgment free. ❤️

Let's see, nothingness is a word that means absence of anything. The absolute could be defined as the absence of limits. The point is, anything, even space, time, the so-called quantum void, the fields of reality, light, ,is made up of limits. It's relative to. It doesn't exist without contrast, opposite, relation, reflection. So you could say that the absolute is nothing, because it is unlimited, then it is not relative to, not opposite to. But precisely because any limitation is impossible, it's open. In fact it's absolute openess, that is a synonym of absolute potential, that is synonym of everything. Absolute openess makes inevitable the relative forms. But absolute openess is not "something". Not a substance, not Infinity, not a field, not change, not a dimensión, not energy. But it's open, nothing can block it, then it's everything. Can't be limited to be "nothing", or a single thing, or a void. A fluctuation will appear, a change of state , a coherence, a possibility, then another, and another But this is a metaphor, It doesn't happen sequentially; rather, coherent relationships are always unfolding creating infinite dimensions, which is also an interconnected absolute where inside and outside are the same, since everything contains the totality of reality and is simultaneously contained within it. A quantum vibration unfolds its causality without limits and moves the totality of form, and at the same time, it is the consequence or creation of the infinite coherent relationships of reality. Then, in short, you, as an individual, can be open, or transparent, to your true nature, the openess, the absolute potential. You will perceive it as what you are, but it is not something, it's open, total.

Reminds me of Giordano Bruno's book that I am reading right now. Would you say that only via nothingness, the absolute can be experienced?