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@Rokazulu Good point! I have experienced the state, I just haven't been able to sustain it. I am not opposed to a more gradual process. There can a lot of joy and discovery in that process as well. It just once I awakened to realize I was imagining my limitations, lack of awareness, and these processes to awaken, I began to contemplate the possibility of a more instant shift in my state of consciousness. I agree with your point about the body being prepared to hold the energy though.

I believe he have some kind of gift that can move and do something that awakened kundalini of people in front of him. Look how his hand move. He is very grounded on what he says. Kundalini Activation:

There is no "loving state." All is Love, including hatred and fear. As I said, you haven't awakened to the truth yet, hence your confusion. Apart from that, I didn't claim "high consciousness." Be careful with the assumptions you make about other people.

Since all of the different methods we utilize to have insights and awakenings are being imagined by us to justify a shift in our state, there should be an even more direct route. We should just as easily be able to circumvent or bypass all these steps we create and just experience the shift now. We are already awakened and imagining that we aren't. Have any of you had success in bypassing any chains of causation? If so, how did you achieve it? Was is just a matter of intention, conviction and focus?

How do you really know that? Unless you can read people’s minds, or have awakened to the highest, you can’t possibly know what or who has reached the highest levels of consciousness? Even if you do awaken, you are so conscious that there are no others who are awake with you. It’s just you. What I learned here on this forum is that anyone can claim they are awake when they are really full of crap. What criteria do you use to determine if someone is awake? If you are already awake, then this question of who is most woke is absurd. Maybe so. Maybe there is music now instead of noise. I can’t imagine anyone living without thinking. I mean how does he even do math and keep track of his finances from his teachings lol. You see the issue with people who claim they have no thought but yet still go to the bank and survive? I believe no-mind can be short-term, but eventually you have to have a strategy for how your gonna get your next meal. Maybe what he really means is that his mind is playing like music instead of hammering like a monkey. He still has thoughts, but his thoughts are more deliberate and if higher quality. I would even consider talking to be a form of thought and even action if we wanna go deep with where your thought ends and action begins. Where is the boundary? To have no thought is death. That actually is one of the examples I listed in my journal that illustrates my point. If you had no desire, there would be no point in breathing. Why breathe? You both conscious and unconsciously will to breathe. Like I said in my first post. Our desires can be conscious or unconscious. Why breathe? Why do our cells bother to preserve our body and immune system? Why do we eat? Why meditate? It is our desire for life. If you hold your breath, you will feel your desire for life. If you didn’t desire life, then you wouldn’t breathe and live. How do we know? We put these gurus on pedestals and idolize them. And at the same time, that idolization blocks you from realizing that they are you. What’s the name of the book? Thank you for helping me clarify my points in my contemplation on desire.

@Jowblob Even if she gave you a blowjob after her "moan", it still wouldn't be awakening. You have a large ego and I understand that you want to satisfy it by thinking of yourself as "awakened" but you simply aren't. Everything you wrote above is a testimony of narcissism and egotism, which has nothing to do with God. Grow up!

You're projecting hard my friend, you don't need to tell me that it sounds narcissistic when i'm more then aware of every behaviour i display consciously. There is also nothing wrong with people that are being narcissistic consciously, in fact its very important for your health. Who are you to claim or assume that i don't know what God is or if i'm awakened or not when you don't even know me? It's not even important to me how people view me or see me, whats important to me is that people are acting out unconsciously without thinking about their own behaviour they display. Learn to be accepting of others peoples experiences without projecting your own views from your own perspectives and standards. Like @Arthogaan@Fernanda

@Jowblob Although your writing was interesting to read, I have to interrupt you for a second. Apart from your egocentric views and perhaps even narcissism, (and I am not the only person here who will tell you that, think about it!) nothing what you wrote above has even the slightest thing to to with awakening. You have no idea what God is, and you have not awakened. Stop conflating relative experiences with awakening.

@Maka @Batman Wheter he makes someone moan by talking with him or not is irrelevant for his awakening. But the fact is for some people with psychic talent weird shit starts to happen when they awaken. So it is ignorant for you to assume wheter he is awakened or not by his external world story. Because awakening is felt inside. And you don't know his direct experience. So it would be cool to raise your openmindedness for a newcomer of the forum and do not assume he is lying when you simply do not know.

From your story, it is clear you haven't awakened. Awakening is a lot simpler and deeper than all your stories. Ayahuasca will take you on a ride, but there is no guarantee you will awaken on it.

It was exactly what I needed and I found Leo’s videos in 8th grade right when I first stated to become existential, Although I was watching all of the practical meditation videos so really that no bullshit guide to meditation and all of Leo’s meditation practice videos in like 2017 and earlier mostly lead me running in circles, Now Leo has a much more nuanced and god awakened idea of meditation, Not like sit down rigorous meditation, I mean you can do it but it’s not necessary, Anyways it really just depends on how deep you are willing to go, I was able to handle quite a bit even as my identity would begin to crumble I was able to have cessation experiences as early as 14 years old but I have always been openminded to the paranormal and I have been astral projecting and having higher consciousness experiences and awakenings even since I was a really young child so I have felt these state changes before and have been pretty successful at manipulating my altered states, I am 18 now btw

That's not a bad range, I would say 30-36. Of course, there are some very mature kids. I was a camp counselor once and one of my kids was an extremely mature 9 year old. I think he went on to be very successful on Wall Street. That's rare, of course, but there are people like that of all ages. The problem with being too young and immature and becoming awakened is that...you're still young and immature...and now you may think you're somehow more advanced or better than your elders. But you're still young and immature. Being spiritually awakened hasn't granted you life experience/wisdom or domain knowledge of all kinds. So it's possible for the prematurely awakened to be super-obnoxious, or maybe more socially isolated than they would have been otherwise. The no-self awakening is just the first step on the road to Self Realization, and it's a particularly tricky stage to navigate (it's where a lot of Zen Devils are.) Mix that with youth and you could easily have a juvenile delinquent if the personality is otherwise disordered.

For y'all awakened folk. What age did you have your first awakening? I.e the first time you realized that God actually exists or your first mystical experience. Also, for those who have realized they are God. What age would you recommend awakening for the general consensus? As in God Realization or the no self awakening. My opinion is 28-35 from my own experience.

Love is absolute truth. Obviously a monkey and a giraffe can not grasp it. Absolute truth has nothing to do with 5-Meo, with DMT or with other psychoactive drugs. These things are imaginary. You have not awakened yet. No-Self is just a minor part of absolute Truth.

You simply have not awakened to absolute Truth yet.

You mentioned neale Donald walsch, so I’d like to add in one of his newer books he said “the awakened species would never kill another not even out self defense, and would not be violent, unless asked to by another being” humanity still has a long way to go, we kill animals like it’s nothing and then keep dogs and cats as pets, it’s really messed up.

Are you kidding? I've been contemplating existence since age 4. I am Awakened. I don't think anyone in the State of Maine has my level of consciousness..so of course I was expecting something...way more than some one who's asleep anyway. If you order from Houston Research Chemicals make sure it's not the Dummy fraudsters.

Hi All, First up, I'm not trying to tell you what you shouldn't do, all I want to do is post a warning based on my experience with Holotropic/Shamanic Breathing. I hope that you take heed of this advice and don't go through the intense involuntary healing that I have been through in the last 3 years. I had a strong desire for the spiritual path and had been meditating for 4 years, sometimes up to 4 hours per day but normally at least 1.5 hours. I felt pretty good and had no existing psychiatric issues (that I was aware of.....) In early 2019, I felt I was ready to speed up the process as I wanted to progress spiritually and felt like I wasn't getting anywhere. So I started Shamanic/Holotropic/Breath of Fire (It has many names). I started on 2 minutes and gradually worked up to 30 to 40 minutes per day over the course of many months. I was still meditating but not for as long as I had been. Everything was fine for many weeks without issues. I felt good and felt normal both physical and mentally. Then, one week I started to feel off, it is hard to describe but I just didn't feel right. Felt really tired and unhappy (I am normally a care free happy person). I immediately stopped the breathwork but continued to meditate. About 1 week after I stopped the breathing practices completely I was still feeling tired and just not right mentally. Then one day I was sitting is lotus posture and I suddenly felt really anxious for no reason and this incredibly uncomfortable energy started surging through me. I did not know at the time it was energy as I had never really felt it before but it was really uncomfortable. I couldn't sit still and I felt really anxious from the excess energy. I had no idea what was going on and ended up in hospital, I started screaming in hospital for no reason and almost had to be sedated (I am normally never like this, normally one of the most chilled out people around me). Anyway I was released a few hours later when the energy calmed down a bit. For the next 6 months this energy was with me all day everyday (even though I ceased all spiritual practices). I had trouble sleeping (I normally sleep like a baby). I felt extremely fatigued (I thought I had chronic fatigue) and could hardly get out of bed for weeks. I was close to panic attacks all the time. I was so scared and had no idea what was going on. I had to quit my job as I couldn't really function. Luckily I was financially prepared for this. It was only after I reached out to three meditation teachers who could "read my energy" were they able to advise I had awakened Kundalini. Kundalini was moving through my physical and subtle body cleaning out past traumas. Boy was it hard. You don't realize what lies in your subconscious until you open it haha. I then had a relatively stable period of 12 months with no symptoms and felt pretty good. I thought Kundalini had become dormant but now I know she was still active in the background. I then started doing something similar to straw breathing just to try and calm my system. I felt great for a few months. But then boom without any warning again I went from feeling great to these massive surges of energy running through me that still haven't really integrated fully with my system even after 7 months of no spiritual exercises. The negative impacts of my healing have been the following: - Intense suicidal depression (Never really been depressed at all in my life until I awoke Kundalini). Almost ended up in a psych ward a couple of times. The only things. Mostly when the energy surges were moving through my chest and heart area. - Intense ADHD, couldn't sit still almost all day for many months. (Never had ADHD before, I am normally more sloth like haha) - Intense sensitivity to people, unable to be around some people. - Intense weird mental states, hard to describe but they aren't very comfortable. - Insomnia. This was really bad in the first healing period but not so much the second, still not sleeping as much as I need to but it has improved. - Intense sensitivity to fasting and certain supplements. Fasting and magnesium amplifies the energy and it feels very uncomfortable. Positive impacts (a lot less than the negative ones so far.....) - When I close my eyes my body mostly disappears. I don't feel it at all the only thing I feel is the energy moving against blockages. - Body gradually feeling less and less like "me". A little bit scary. - Can feel expansion of aura around me. - Small periods of intense bliss. This can almost be a negative impact if too intense. - Small periods of seeing intense beauty in even the most simple things. - Heightened intuition. - Synchronicities at times. Not all the time but occasionally. - One 5 minute period where all my thoughts just stopped. My head was clear, this was very cool. Only had it once though. - Greater understanding of subtle energy in general. The two laws that you must always apply for safe use of it. I sought help from a few teachers, tried a few practices to help calm the energy and ground me but in the end the main thing is time as the energy integrates with your body and mind, this can only happen so fast and takes time. Acupressure helped a bit and also something called White Light Protection Visualization which you can find on the Kundalini subreddit. One respected Kundalini teacher had me try all sorts of herbs and exercises that seemed to do nothing or make it worse. So I have come to the conclusion that very few people actually are able to teach this sort of stuff if you have a spontaneous K awakening. I share this in the hopes that others healing journeys won't be so intense and involuntary as mine. I also want to thank all those have helped me in this journey so far, those seen and those unseen. Especially for helping me to keep my second job and family. Good links: https://www.reddit.com/r/kundalini/ - IMO the White Light Protection visualization should be done by everyone everyday. https://www.taraspringett.com/kundalini/healing-kundalini-symptoms-book/ - Some good info in this book. TLDR: Shamanic/Holotropic Breathing awakened my Kundalini without warning and gave me what is called Kundalini syndrome. I went through hell on earth as I was healing for the next 6 months then I went through A relatively stable period of 12 months and then the last 7 months have been by far the most difficult. Still healing from my past at a rate that is far from comfortable.

@Razard86 maybe you can help me with this question: what part does relationships play in all that? I know we are all related ultimately, but when we have closer relationships, like Leo described having, does it mean we are in a shared "dream"? One has its own dream and I have mine and we meet somehow. Or am I alone dreaming others' existance and "creating" them? I know it's imaginary anyway, but it is intriguing. From Leo's video and from my own experience I can only imagine a meaningful relationship when two autonomous beings that are awakened within their own dream really meet. I know it's a question that can't be answered in an absolute sense, but I am just curious to know what you think about that.

Blissful state? At that point he had already awakened.

I am not awake and almighty, but even I understand that this thread does not aid people in an awakened direction, but makes them more deeply committed to their feeling or thinking that they do. There is something weird about how many of you react towards what Leo is saying. the man is so almighty he will become your grandma if he is not already, and now he is everyone's grandma but also there are no grandma. Let me ask you, what is on the line? If not some conviction you hold that is itself far removed from direct experience? Are you gonna have a perpetuity guru or are you actually become your own man when the enlightenment have burst your heart at last? So far as I can tell you are here still precisely because you have attachment issues, by attributing Gura with a responsibility he admittedly is a little to glad to hold onto. It is pretty amazing if in the midst of the most potent existential awakening you find some conscious entity, I bet it would not matter much then if it contradicted the shit out of your teacher. I even bet you would find your prior self rather amusing.

How many people have really awakened from psychedelics? How many of them will credit their enlightenment to anything other than themselves? According to Jed McKenna, psychedelics are part of the dream. Ralston seems to be implying the same thing, albeit in his notoriously grounded way. I hear tell that Timothy Leary, for example, tried really hard to achieve enlightenment through their use but he ultimately couldn't. According to Peter, he may have had many insights, so Peter's making a distinction here between awakening and insight (perhaps insight as a function of the mind). Anyway, enough speculation for me.

This same argument could be used for yoga and meditation too. But you are right in that to claim there is a direct causality between psychedelics and awakening is really hard to prove. The same goes with meditation and with other spiritual practices too. But how much we can explain psychedelics away if enough people start to say, that "the very first time i used psychedelics i awakened". We could say that, "but how could we make sure, that that person really awakened and not just pretending it or misunderstanding something"? Of course that is possible, however the only way to collect data on this is by people sharing their subjective experience. Also, lot of nuance is possible. If you do this certain practice like that it may help you awaken but if you do it in a slightly different way you won't. Again this could be said for any method or practice. But, if a lot of people start to claim that it was because of psychedelics , then there is a claim number ,where we can say that there is at least a correlation, if not a causation. If thats the case, that a lot of people claim that they awakened using psychedelics, then we can't say that all of that was because of coincidence, because there is an underlying process going on that must be investigated and explained. The only way to really make sense of this, is to collect statistical data and compare them. But its really hard to collect data on how could psychedelics can help you awaken, because they are illegal almost everywhere. But we shouldn't forget this: "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". I don't even know how much statistical data is about how certain spiritual practices could help you awaken. The people who would do the comparison and the people who would make their conclusion and experiment and research would have to understand what awakening is really about. Also, we can use time to investigate this. For example, people who claim they awakened from psychedelics, you can ask them when did they take psychedelics, and how much after that did they awaken? Because if all or most of them are saying that it was directly after using psychedelics then there is at least a correlation if not a causation between using certain psychedelics and awakening.

You are completely biased and have no clue about what psychedelics do. Some people have opened their third eye PERMANENTLY off one use of a psychedelic. Psychedelic work WAY faster and take you to higher states that ordinary practices won't do as quickly or efficiently. Psychedelics are just a catalyst, a tool, you are still dealing with your own mind. 1. Psychedelics make you hallucinate. All hallucinations are visions and trances created by the mind to force you to deal with a specific fear. This is why the moment you overcome the fear the hallucination STOPS. The medical field hasn't even discovered this but I learned this off ONE use of the drug. 2. When he talks baseline he means how you are in normal settings. But here is the kicker, some people get kundalini awakenings off psychedelic use. Once kundalini is awakened it becomes INCREDIBLY easy to raise your baseline level of consciousness through meditation. In fact the PURPOSE of meditation is to release that energy, so you CAN reach what is called samadhi or a natural state of bliss by being connected to the source of all creation. Pyschedelics can hasten both of these processes which would take DECADES to reach. I took 5 grams of psychedelics ONCE and have never used that drug since....it opened my third eye, showed me the other side, and started the dark night of the soul process. That was me taking it for the FIRST TIME!!! You know how long you would have to meditate to reach that process? I got into a car accident 2 days later and then had a kundalini awakening. So I reached 2 divine states that many spiritual practioners take decades to experience in 2 days!!! Because of psychedelics. Yeah....sure why would anyone listen to anyone telling them no. The truth is Leo was right, Psychedelics are a GREAT tool to learn to raise consciousness I speak from my own DIRECT EXPERIENCE. I learned more in those 2 days and 2 weeks following them than I learned my entire life and it was the greatest moment of my entire life. Things were revealed to me and I was tested and learned so much.

Everything is dictated by your state of consciousness. And you current state of consciousness is nowhere high enough to look past all possible suffering. Even a decade of meditation will not be enough to access the states of consciousness you would need to overlook all suffering. All sorts of things are theoretically possible. It's possible to do a triple back flip while juggling 3 razor sharp knives. The question is, how much work are you willing to do to train yourself to do it? You can certainly make a lot of progress to reduce your mental suffering and anxiety. But it will still require a ton of training and work. And this should not be conflated with pure consciousness. It is a technical mistake to conflate these two things. Which is what this whole discussion is doing. Make a distinction between awakened consciousness vs training the human mind/body to respond or behave in certain ways that you might find desirable.