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So I have noticed a recurring thought over the past maybe 2 years or so. I’ve been listening to Leo's work for 6-7 years now, and while I have certainly had a good amount of experiences with psychedelics, I have also learned quite a lot from just actualized.org alone. I’ve always been contemplative but LSD is what started this journey for me because it's what made me realize God is real, being a former super atheist who used to make fun of thiests. Anyways, I believe that my first LSD trip could have been a first hand experience with God consciousness. I remember feeling something indescribable while peaking. I remember thinking that I wanted to feel like that forever. My friend was there too and we were both outside in his backyard. All I could say was “Greg?” I’ve still never quite had a feeling like that, but I can’t say for sure it was a peak of God consciousness. I’m getting to the point now, basically, and this is in no way a diss to Leo’s work or actualized.org. But the knowledge that I am actually God has in a way discouraged me from seeking out guidance. It’s like, when I'm having dark moments, I want to be able to conjure or seek out some sort of source that can help me, but I don’t because… I am God, and everything else is just me. So, why would I do that? I had this sort of insight where it feels like I got the ending of a movie spoiled for me, and now I’ve lost all desire to watch it. If that makes sense. The sucky part is that I am God but at the same time I have no idea what I am doing, and it feels like the power of God isn’t being used right. In the “Explaining paranormal phenomena” video, Leos talks about channeling aliens and other things and how these things are actually possible and people do them. I think that’s cool and would like to try, but then the wind is sort of taken out of my sails because I remember I am God and what could an alien possibly tell me that is more of a mindfuck than that? It’s funny though, because I realize that I am literally asking you all for help/thoughts/input right now. So maybe I am missing something here. Any thoughts are appreciated. If this post is too long please let me know.

You guys keep talking about Leo not delivering on alien consciousness while I'm still waiting for the hot witch girlfriend video

@Someone here i dont expect leo to honestly engage or answer any of those questions. He is a master at being a weasel. This was to demonstrate to others how Leo refuse to walk back claims and refuse to change his credence on claims and refuse utilize more epistemic humility given that he failed to deliver on the alien claim. Its cool that you suddenly recognize now that harsh rhetoric isnt effective and isnt good (when its used against Leo), but you very rarely had to bring this up when Leo used this kind of rhetoric against other people. Maybe I should have used the "you dont know what you are talking about" , and "im more awake than you" and "im the standard on epistemology" as a response and then my rhetoric would have been more acceptable. This point about the alien transformation has been brought up multiple times now. Do you know what Leo's last response to this question was? He told unborntao, "I won't bend over backwards over your closed-mindedness." So that's how he clarifies things and owns up to things. Again, to be super clear on this: he created the standard for himself. He said that a camera should be able to record his transformation, and when someone asks him about it, they are the bad guy(the closed-minded one) for asking for it. How is that not enforcing cult-like dynamics, where he can freely make any bullshit claim and, when held accountable for it, infinitely gaslight you into believing that you are the bad guy for holding him accountable for the very thing that he explicitly told you to hold him accountable for?

I honestly have no idea what happened with his claim that he would demonstrate an alien transformation on camera. Only Leo knows what actually happened.. unfortunately he still hasn’t clarified it..but instead he’s offered excuses that avoid addressing the obvious possibility that it was another psychedelic experience he misinterpreted As @UnbornTao suggests. That said..this is exactly why I don’t see the value in aggressively attacking him. People make mistakes. Humans get things wrong.If he’s mistaken then criticize the claim..point out the inconsistencies..and move on. What I don’t understand is the endless hostile rants. They accomplish nothing. They don’t help us..they don’t help Leo and they don’t bring anyone closer to the truth. All they do is fuel ego battles between keyboard warriors and deepen the divide instead of creating any chance for understanding or meaningful discussion. If the goal is understanding each others then criticism should be rational and polite .If the goal is just to vent outrage and score points..that’s a different conversation. And stop calling me a Leo fanboy . It’s not like I hang out with him everyday ..I just watch him on a screen .

Well. First off..there is something inherently very wrong with the statement "a non-dual person would do this". If you have to classify me as a non-dual person than just shoot me now. Because id rather be dead than be a Jim Newman or a Tony Parsons. So if Leo had his own fucking God day as an alien rat why should I give a fuck

Bruh 😂 When he says being a backflipping alien mouse is one of the highest states of consciousness he has been in, a non-dual person would say that's Maya/illusion/form/"experience". When a non-dual person talks about "higher consciousness", they don't talk about alien mice or turning into an alien on camera. They talk about something more "vacuous", like Being, presence, is-ness. And that's not Maya, it's truth.

"How about you guys chill and just trust me on this? I will show you Alien Awakening that will absolutely blow your mind. When I finally post it on Youtube, people's jaws will drop. My Awakening will contradict 5000 years of spiritual teaching. And it won't just be words, you will visually see me morph into an Alien Intelligence. And if I don't, then you can call out my bullshit. Until then, sit tight." @Leo Gura What happened here, were you on drugs while posting this? It would be great to clarify what happened here or if you think this would still be possible. @Others here who attack Leo. Please understand how difficult it is for Leo to let that out. Leo could just keep his thoughts in secret. If you discover new things in spirituality which is half baked, you are very vulnerable. Everyone here should not attack each other when someone tries to express what he discovered. Better attack Sadghuru who discovered an alien in form of energy on a lake.

If Leo wanted to end his beef with non-dual spiritual people, he would go in the philosopher direction of finding an own term for what he is about rather than siphon it under existing words like "consciousness" or "awakening". That's the true alpha/sigma move. Then you can actually say "you don't know what I'm talking about" and it would make more sense. But if you instead want to use existing terms and create a hierarchy where you're on the top and you get to judge and compare, then of course it makes sense to keep using the same terms. The point of divergence is that what non-dual people call fantasy and Maya (forms, experiences), Leo calls higher levels of consciousness. Some suggestions: Infinitability — the degree to which you have uncovered the realm of form through your experience, approaching the infinite. Formiousness. Multitudiousness. Experienciousness. Leo can still use words like consciousness and awakening, but if he also gives such definitions for the ways in which he is different from other approaches (I believe existing terms like "Alien Consciousness" are ill-defined and don't capture his larger approach), it's more understandable to act as a leading (if not a #1) arbiter of that perspective. This is not a new suggestion of mine, I suggested this 5 years ago with the "psychonautics vs spirituality" distinction. But this is perhaps more descriptive of the ontological differences rather than the methodological ones (psychonautics, with its association to psychedelics, can tend to be viewed more as a method than what is being aimed at).

OK to be fair. @zurew he has made good on all claims from my perspective other than the alien thing. Which I dont even know if it is a thing. But I validated everything he has ever said in his videos and all of it is true. He by far surpasses all teachers that I have encountered. Unfortunately there is a cost for his pioneering. He seems to have gone a bit insane. This is where I and he cross roads.

Well I hate to disappoint but this not mutiny on the bounty. It is just people talking for themselves. Leo has not put forth, yet, any claims i cannot yet validate and that is what sparked my response to @UnbornTao So. When i hear the alien shit i will speak on that. But until now it is been suspense. A suspense i do not need or like. Perhaps he lost his mind on psychedelics. I'm not the one to say that

You do not understand your own claims, since you couldn't deliver on any of them. To be extremely clear on this, you haven't delivered once on your miracle claims or your alien transformation claim, and you still refuse to adjust your claims or your credence regarding those claims. You pretend to know much more than you actually do. If you knew how this shit worked, you would have already delivered on your claims and wouldn't just talk big with 0 results after years of failure. The only thing we have seen so far from you is you talking grandiose about yourself, you making excuses and delivering 0 empirical results with respect to your empirical claims. But sure, sure—we are the ones who don't know what we are talking about, while you do. That's why, once again, you haven't demonstrated shit yet. I guess we are in the infinitely "sit tight" period and you are in the "I will make infinite excuses why I cant deliver on my own claims and I will infinitely weasel my way out of my own standards" period, right? Anything but having the spine and the epistemic responsibility to own up to your own claims and to your own standards. The camera was the issue and not your lack of understanding of how reality works, right?

If anything, this alien business has proven how gullible most people are. They'll eat up anything that sounds remotely spiritual and transcendental, with no real interest in asking what's actually going on for the person claiming such things. If certain terminology aligns with your views, and it comes from a worldview you favor, then it must be true. Before taking people's word for it, pay attention to his failure to record such a video. The implications of that failure are bigger than you think.

Its not that. But he has gone mad. At least I feel he has ever since his alien realizations.

US Treasury paying $24 billion a week in interest on its debts This topic can be approached from many angles. Taken from an article in Fortune magazine. Does this highlight the Trump Administrations' incompetence infected with MAGA belligerence? What about the credibility of the Liberal Democrats or Moderates whose undisciplined spending led the way. This statement also puts a spin on the overall subject of irresponsible government spending over the last 50 years. For me it brings to mind a plethora of subjects addressed by Seers, channelers, mystics, Farris wheel operator's, theologians, prophet's, etc.,,, concerning the trajectory of experience and increasing speed of change at a certain point in human history referred to as the eschaton, the resurrection, end times., etc.,,, Sitting at the screen, I begin to ponder the changes that are now occurring. Different unrelated subjects arise in my mind. That my expression of them become frivolous because of my compulsion to inject humor to offset the worry of the more somber issues. There are so many "something new happenings",,,, Disclosure of UFO's and Alien life. Worrisome conditions like the stability of the U.S. dollar and the debt of the Treasury, Unstable and extreme weather patterns affecting many areas of agriculture and its cost when subsidized by the U.S. government. Who in the hell would want to be President of the United States? Would they realize what they're getting into? No ordinary person in their right mind would seek this position? This began as a subject in the main forum but I began to wander off into other areas with my commentary. So I moved it here. US Treasury has borrowed $155 billion every month of this fiscal year—and is now paying $24 billion a week in interest on its debts Eleanor Pringle Posted: July 10, 2026 | Last updated: July 10, 2026 Despite concerns from debt hawks, the U.S. government is continuing to borrow at pace: For the fiscal year of 2026 so far, the federal deficit has totaled just under $1.4 trillion. The first nine months of this fiscal year (beginning in October) have now surpassed the borrowing levels of 2025, when deficits totaled just over $1.3 trillion for the same period. At the time of writing, the total U.S. national debt sits at $39.4 trillion, accumulated under administrations led by both Republicans and Democrats. As such, the monthly borrowing for 2026 now sits at roughly $155 billion, or $39 billion per week. And, like any borrower, that debt carries an interest cost. The latest monthly budget review from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) confirms that net interest on public debt for the fiscal year has hit $857 billion: roughly $23.8 billion a week. This is approximately $100 billion more (13%) than the interest paid out in the first nine months of 2025, the CBO adds, owing to a higher total debt burden than last year and higher long-term interest rates. In fact, interest payments on the debt are now $20 billion larger than the outlays for the Departments of Defense, Commerce, Homeland Security, Education, the Environmental Protection Agency, the Small Business Administration, and the U.S. Coronavirus Refundable Credits scheme—combined. Also contributing to the demand on government purse springs is the increasing demand for social security, Medicare and Medicaid. Spending for Social Security benefits rose by $62 billion (or 5%) because of increases in average benefits and in the number of beneficiaries, CBO noted. In comparison, Medicare outlays increased by $58 billion (8%) due to higher enrollment and higher payment rates for services. Rising costs per enrollee meant Medicaid spending increased by $49 billion (10%). This is a trend that isn’t going anywhere: The U.S. population is aging. According to the Census Bureau, Americans’ median age—the age at which half of the population is younger, and half is older — continues to rise, climbing from 39.2 in 2024 to 39.4 in 2025. Men’s share of the older population is particularly of note, the bureau adds. In 2001, there were 70.6 males for every 100 females age 65 and older, but by 2025, the ratio had increased substantially to 81.6. Debt trajectory With the factors influencing Treasury spending only embedding further over the coming decades, those concerned about the U.S. fiscal trajectory are calling for action. So far, they haven’t got much response—though there is a growing sense of urgency among policymakers, according to experts. The latest CBO estimates have alarmed the likes of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget which, for a long time, has been lobbying the government to address its borrowing. In a statement shared with Fortune, Maya MacGuineas, president of the committee, said: “The FY 2026 deficit has now passed the FY 2025 deficit–and it is likely to stay that way for the rest of the fiscal year … We will likely borrow $2 trillion or more this fiscal year—an astounding figure given that the economy keeps growing and unemployment is low.” The current situation is “likely the tip of the iceberg,” MacGuineas adds, if policymakers don’t make changes to entitlements and “ignore the need to cut spending and increase revenues,” she adds: “Social Security and Medicare are within seven years of trust fund exhaustion, and action needs to be taken to prevent across-the-board cuts to both programs.” MacGuineas advocated targeting a deficit of 3% of GDP, roughly half its current level, a proposal that has gained support across the political spectrum. But she also added that “more importantly,” politicians should be “honest with the public about the grave dangers we face by remaining on this unsustainable path.” This story was originally featured on Fortune.com

I think one of the main issues with Actualized.org's teaching is that it aims for such an "ultimate answer" that tempts people to assume that if you crack the philosophy, it means you will also have the practical knowledge or power to bend reality, along with complete understanding. But really, it mainly grants just the broad understanding, which is still very practical, truthful, and "holy." Science tries to properly map reality and discover ways to bend, twist, or "alchemize" reality into what a self would want. With Actualized.org, you arrive at: "God/Reality/Truth is the absence of bias, pure unfiltered infinity." Even after you crack that nut, you still don't have answers to many other important questions. Do we care about saving humans? Do we care about saving humanity, Earth, animals, or insects? What are we okay with killing, utilizing, or molding to our will? What is "Good" Selfishness? Is there even any? Do we just fully give into Reality? Even if all reality is made of "infinities," what are the actual practical, relative structures and stable patterns of reality that we can use? If reality can become anything it can possibly be, moving ever closer to God, then what should we actually strive for? Should we try to make humanity as close to God as possible? Should we make room for alien species or entirely new forms of intelligence if they more closely resemble God? By what standard do we determine the most optimal direction for reality to evolve? Even if free will doesn't ultimately exist, we still have to make choices every day. So what should guide those choices? I agree that if people fully knew and understood God, we would probably have a much more advanced science, and it would answer many of these questions. But there are still so many problems that scientists, humanity, and governments would have to solve afterward. Leo seems to have carved out the niche of God and Truth, without caring much about utility or how to practically implement that understanding into science. Which, again, is completely fine, and it's a very necessary niche. But I can't say with confidence that Curt's, or scientists' in general, only purpose is to understand God. Many of them also want to understand the relative structures of reality and how that understanding can help us practically in this world. That is equally valuable. These are all distinct and much-needed niches. It's just important to understand the purpose of each.

The Hitchcock drama of the last minutes is one of the most beautiful aspects of football . Many teams have made such great comebacks in the last minutes. There is no such thing as impossible in football. Never leave a match you are passionate about till the final whistle. Especially when this alien cells Messi is playing.

To me it really sounded like you meant the people of the forum because of how the sentence was grammatically structured... That was a really cool read, albeit dark, the story of your father. Since I'm a very health oriented person I thought it just sounded insane that amount of cigarettes and alcohol. That reveals a lot about someone's psyche that they could maintain that. I can't imagine what state he must have been in internally, it's like one of those people that are just incomprehensible to imagine how reality is from their pov. Also I'm a bit puzzled by how those kinds of people are able to maintain a persona that convinces others they are "good". That is some kind of twisted intelligence in them that understands how to play the social games, as if its not only they that are twisted, but its as if their entire psyche beyond their control too, is working together creating this dark person, simplistic description of me but its something Ive started to reflect on recently after observing certain people. It makes sense you "fell for it" when you were young, but the idea that someone like that can convince other adults they are so good, makes me wonder if people have terrible intuition. An extreme example I've thought of is those documentaries about serial killers etc. It's just crazy to me, I can't believe nobody could sense something really off, personally I believe I would be able to if I was close to such person but I have yet to confirm it. Just some related thoughts that came to mind. I can relate to that description of everything seeming "alien and unreal" as a child. I had that too for some time. To me it related to being so deeply "inside my head", literally felt like that. And because of being so "inside", when something dark appears there, it's felt so strongly, and then you want nothing more than breaking the darkness down. Then maybe someone like your father for example, he had darkness inside but his way of dealing with it was manipulating others and substance addictions, a very different type of "self destruction" than what you described about how your mind worked (many meanings to the same words..). I could say so much more, but I can mention how Ive also been close to someone whom it took me time to realize clearly their darkness but I felt "off" from the very beginning. For me it was like, not only did my discernment for people become deeper and better after realizing how dark that person was (its not just me saying it, they spoke about it too, but in different way than how I saw it), but also, most importantly, something grew and connected inside me, and thats a shift that was worth the experience.,.,

He doesn't denigrate people for their beliefs, ignorance, or opinions, he denigrates them when they challenge him with poorly thought out remarks, it's a very important distinction. If people posted more maturely, and I don't mean in a pseudo intellectual way like Carl and zurew do, they put thought into how their comments are written and sound but they put very little thought into the substance of their comments, if people posted more maturely I see no reason why Leo would be abusive like he is, he let's people post all sorts of concepts that are counter to his teachings. It's either be harsh to people, admittedly he should be less harsh and reactive than he often is - but he's human, or fucking ban EVERYONE. I'm sorry but people need harshness a lot of the time, they will just mentally masturbate without it, that's obviously not what Leo intends for Actualized. I have no faith in his God, Alien, or Psychedlics by the way, I don't subscribe to them at all. I'm an atheist that has never done drugs nor ever will. I believe spirituality is personal and takes infinite forms.

Alien Awakening to me is simple. It's when you take Terrence McKenna style "realizations"/hallucinations/ideations and explain them from the perspective of a narcissist who thinks they're the best in the world. That said, "I could be wrong", just like I could be wrong that Leo is probably not the most awake person in the world. But this is what it seems to me. Just like you can give "benefit of the doubt" based on observations of his past behavior, you can also do the opposite.

It's a big jump because that's obviously not how I think about it. I don't know how exactly Leo sees himself. Does he even think of himself as a "person" at all? Who knows. He obviously thinks extremely highly of his awakening, but it's not unwarranted. Maybe there are people alive with a better understanding than him on God, but I don't know any. It has nothing to do with ethics. It's more like I'm sometimes willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he might know something I don't. For example, I don't know about Alien Awakening. But I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt there might be something there and will test it. This is just called trust. Yes, you obviously you still need to maintain your own autonomy. But you can actually build trust when someone has demonstrated they deserve it over a period of years. Every healthy relationship also requires some trust. And you are closed-minded, so I'm not going to fault him for hitting you over the head about that. I don't idolize him, and I do focus on the work. This is whole thread is the most I've thought about Leo in a long time. I would prefer to just move on, but I felt I should address it since this thread was blowing up. Sure, fine. Sure, as long as you don't expect me to think Relativity means you get to gaslight me with your nonsense and I have to consider it "equally valid". Turns out understanding things is possible.

The narcissism critique, the "he is narcissistic" critique, the "lack of integrity" critique, and the "you shouldn't bring attention to the idea or declare yourself to be more awake than every other being in the universe" critique do not rely on the premise that Leo is not the most awake being in the universe. You can go back and read my previous posts. I provided numerous links throughout this thread documenting the behavior I consider problematic. Feel free to actually go through those examples, respond to them individually and/or comprehensively, and provide an explanation that makes them no longer problematic while still preserving your view that Leo has integrity and that his commitment to teaching is more important than preserving his special image. You can criticize the morals, judgment, rhetoric, or behavior of a spiritual teacher without assuming that their spiritual realization is false. These are separate questions.(unless you want to make a weird move, where you want to collapse that seperation, and where you want to imply that every instance of bad behavior was necessary (that it was the optimal strategy for accomplishing Leo's teaching goals and that only Leo possesses the special knowledge required to understand why behaving that way was both necessary and beneficial). Lets suppose, for the sake of argument, that Leo actually is the most awake being in the universe. Lets also suppose that he genuinely possesses special abilities that allow him to know (with absolute certainty) the level of awakening of every conscious being in existence. Even if I grant all of that, the criticism still stands: You can be the most awake being in the universe and still choose not to repeatedly create threads declaring that you are the most awake being in the universe while explicitly undermining everyone else's cognition. If the stated purpose of this work is helping people awaken, making them more sovereign, encouraging independent realization, and emphasizing that people should "do the work," then repeatedly redirecting attention toward yourself and your own exceptional status is obviously counterproductive. A Tier 2 guy who is the most awake being in the universe and can telepathically (with certainty) perfectly read everyone's level of awakening somehow failed to recognize how ineffective his "I'm the most awake being in the universe for the 1000th time, and everyone else is a fucking spiritual rat and should be beaten with a crowbar" rhetoric is (even though multiple people have given him very clear negative feedback about it) - Especially, again, if his main goal is to teach us, keep us receptive, help us awaken, and make us more sovereign. If his primary objective is teaching, , helping people awaken, and increasing their sovereignty, then it is very weird why he continued using rhetoric that many of us repeatedly clarified was producing a negative effect. Again, notice that this criticism does not depend on the claim that he is not the most awake being in the universe. His rhetoric is problematic (regardless whether he is the most awake or not) : because of how it comes across; because Leo would never grant comparable claims if they would came from someone else; because many members of his own audience have repeatedly made it clear that this rhetoric makes them significantly less receptive; and because it predictably creates cult dynamics that undermine the very goals he claims to value (especially again if you combine that specialty claim with undermining the cognition of disagreers). More specifically: It undermines people's sovereignty. It encourages exceptional trust in Leo's authority. It encourages people to become increasingly dependent on him while simultaneously distrusting every other spiritual teacher, because all of them supposedly belong to the category of "they don't know what they're talking about." It also encourages people to distrust their own judgment and discernment (If the claim is that every single advanced spiritual teacher in history failed to reach Leo's level of realization, and if no one else truly understands consciousness, then why would anyone on this forum ever trust their own discernment?) And no, the reply that "every other spiritual community has the exact same problems" does not work - because not every other spiritual community has a leader who claims to be more awake than everyone else in the universe , not every spiritual leader undermines the cognition of every single student every singe time when there is a disagreement ,not every spiritual community is set up in a way where your progress can only be evaluated by the leader (again, the "you can validate everything for yourself" doesnt work in practice, because if you do the work and disagree on things, then that can only mean that you havent done enough work and there is no possible scenario under which you can do enough work and disagree with Leo on spirituality - the "did enough" standard can only be called by Leo and there isn't any independent standard from Leo's judgement. ). Now, let's temporarily stop assuming those two premises: (That Leo is the most awake being in the universe and that Leo can flawlessly determine everyone else's level of awakening.) And lets challenge the implication that the reasonable default position is simply to grant those premises until someone can disprove them with absolute certainty. Lets be clear and honest here - Neither you nor Leo would ever consistently apply that standard. Imagine someone else making exactly the same argument to you.: Imagine a scenario where a teacher behaved in ways you considered manipulative or morally questionable. And then one of the teacher's follower told you: "The reasonable thing is to simply assume this behavior is necessary because this person is the most spiritually advanced being in existence. He understands the effects of his rhetoric better than anyone else, so you should trust the process, regardless of how much negative feedback his students express." In what world would you ever accept an implication or response like that? Now, If your response is something like "Of course I would grant that someone other than Leo could be the most awake being in the universe." Okay. then let's check how serious you are about that. Grant that special priviledge to me (After all, you cannot be absolutely certain that I am not the most awake being in the universe, right? - And thats the standard you are asking everyone else to adopt) So, from this point forward, assume that I am more knowledgeable than you: Assume I am the ultimate authority on epistemology. Assume that whenever we disagree (about spirituality, definitions of cults) that I am correct by default and that everyone ought to use the definition of cult that I provided Do not rely on the possibility that I might be mistaken (because again, the reasonable move is to grant those things to me, because if you dont then you are closed-minded or not ready for this advanced work). And from now on, you need to accept all of my rhetoric and behavior because you don't yet understand how this is going to be beneficial for you and everyone else. You can validate everything that I say, but you need to keep in mind that, as long as we disagree about anything I care about, that that will automatically mean that you are wrong and that you need to do more work. This is because sufficient validation is analytically defined as you agreeing with me on all the things I care about, and there is no standard outside of me that can tell you when you have done enough and proper work. (So, let me take on that role and be an absolute authority on what "enough work" and "enough validation" means - actually let me contradict myself since this work is paradoxical and say that there is a standard that is technically outside of me - this is the standard: Keep doing the work until the point where you agree with me perfectly on everything I care about. Until then, any disagreement simply indicates that you have more work to do) if you acknowledge that all of that shit is completely unreasonable and you can entertain for a moment that Leo is not necessarily that special or infallible as he trie to pretend to be - then we can begin discussing Leo's epistemology. Explain: Why is there no video demonstrating the alien transformation that Leo repeatedly claimed he both could and would perform on camera? (Also - Why, when confronted about failing to deliver on that prediction, was his response dismissive rather than reflective ( where he acknowledge that he was wrong or at the very least acknowledge that he failed to deliver on that claim)? Why has there never been any healing miracle done by Leo ? How do you explain the repeated situations in which Leo denies making statements that he demonstrably made, even after evidence is presented? (One example that illustrates [this was one of my interaction with him] , you can search for my post related to this, its in this thread and I provided relevant links there) This was the situation: Leo said : "I never claimed that I can't be wrong." I then presented him with a post where he wrote: "I can be full of shit, but not on this." His response then shifted from: "I never claimed X." to "Just because I claimed X doesn't mean X is true." (Those are entirely different propositions - The first concerns whether the claim was ever made and the second concerns whether the content of the claim was correct) This is a sneaky and spineless shift in the discussion so that he doesnt need to take responsibility when he is cornered. He then ended with one of the most manipulative moves, when he uttered (paraphrased): "I cannot ultimately be wrong because I once uttered the claim that self-deception is endless. Therefore, if I turn out to be wrong about something, that will just confirm my broader claim that self-deception is endless." - Given this logic, you can't be held accountable for any false or incorrect claim, because you can always pivot back to, "But I already told you that self-deception is endless."

Leo is not a narcissist or a cult leader. It’s absurd to think that he is. But he does have narcissistic traits. That doesn’t mean such traits are bad. In fact, they can be good. You need self‑trust, self‑confidence, and a desire to be unique and stand out to accomplish great things. If Leo didn’t have such characteristics, there would be no Actualized.org. Leo is a genuine top‑level philosopher, epistemologist, and mystic who deserves respect. That doesn’t mean he is perfect. I have seen many errors from him over the years. I don’t remember all of them, but recently he claimed that OCD is a coping mechanism for underdeveloped minds to feel safe. That’s a weak insight. Obviously, most underdeveloped minds don’t suffer from OCD. OCD is the result of genetic predisposition, childhood trauma, and certain personality types. I even think people with OCD are more intelligent than those without it. OCD is the ultimate form of perfectionism. People who deeply desire the highest quality of work often exhibit OCD tendencies during the process. They become perfectionists. They can’t even sleep at night if they notice any imperfection. This applies to nearly all high‑level traders, directors, authors, software programmers, musicians, designers, and others. It’s either perfection, or they suffer from anxiety and restlessness. OCD is painful. Leo also tends to exaggerate things. And it seems his integrity is not high enough for a spiritual teacher. I think he should have clearly explained why he wasn’t able to heal himself after claiming he would through awakening. Also, that alien awakening claim was horrible. Where was the video of him transforming into alien intelligence? If it’s not possible, then own it and explain. That’s a true show of integrity. I don’t think he should have made a video about integrity, because his embodiment of such an important characteristic is not strong enough. The reason Leo tends to make exaggerated claims is that he lacks experiential knowledge and embodiment. He is very good at conceptual comprehension. But experiential knowledge and comprehension are superior to conceptual and theoretical ones. It’s comical that many, or even most, of his moderators turn on him. I have seen this pattern repeat for many years. He freely chose his disciples and generals, but they end up “betraying” him. It’s clear that his epistemic judgment in this aspect is weak. I wonder why moderators who think Leo is a narcissist, cult leader, or someone worthy of caution accepted their roles to begin with. If they realized this only after becoming moderators, then why not quit? I appreciate @puporing for showing integrity. When they discovered or believed that Leo was a horrible spiritual teacher, she quit. She walked her talk.

When you realize Alien Consciousness was there all along waiting for you to tap into it:

I love the cope. What do you think this part means "And it won't just be words, you will visually see me morph into an Alien Intelligence." But also here you go. Will wait for how you cope your way out of this one

"Alien Awakening" "alien intelligence" That does not mean a physical alien