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(On Reincarnation / Nonduality)

Reincarnation implies that you have had past lives.

What is the difference between past lives and reincarnation?

If you assume that you were born and that you will die, then yes, there is reincarnation. If you engage in self-inquiry, you might not find that you were ever born in the first place.

What’s your view on reincarnation? Is it possible that I will be born as a zebra or another animal after I leave my physical body?

How come our default is unconsciousness? How can you tell which teachers speak the dharma vs bullshit? How can you believe in something like reincarnation with absolutely zero proof? Why should I start the journey when I know it’s insanely difficult and only a fraction of a minority actually reach the levels you discuss?

Yep. “My life” equaled that. Only the absolute would do. Hearing you loud and clear. I did the accumulation like a Boss, and gave literally all of it away. It’s not missed a bit. Let’s talk about your plan. I died for this. Please dispel my typical bullshit and jokes, that isn’t one. (It is too though?) Only you can awaken, everyone else already is. Chance is a farce. I’ve mentioned this lightly as it’s arrogant af sounding in type, but “I” meet with people, we talk, God creates, we create, ‘they’ awaken. If I am useful in your pursuit, use me. For me, you were always awake, and I was the last one to get the joke. Reincarnation, lifetimes, etc - tricky as they are both and neither the setup & punchline. Infinite Humor. Perpetual mindfuck. Perfection. “It” can’t be “gotten”, it’s not a content of thoughts, nor the thinker of thoughts, “it” is appearing as thoughts, and believing them, or recognizing “it” in them, as them. It’s entirely perfect, convincing itself it is otherwise - that that is “reality”. Perfect. The kick in the balls, is, it is you. Not “Absolute God You” - just you. Imagine a God of infinite magnitude and power, with the innocence & self awareness, yet thoughtlessness of a 1 year old. Now be mindful and honest within - how “grown up are you, really? What meaning has that? yours Make a distinction as such, create it, without identification, there is only absolute which appears to include a “distinction” and an “identification”... unconditional is as is, eternally, and remains undisturbed, un-contracted, uncontrolled, un-contorted, “delusion free”, indeed well known. Why, who, how? Me. Make the distinctions, with identification, and the Truth remains inconceivable, ungraspable, heartbreakingly just slightly out of reach - “physical”. Why, who, how? Me. You draw out the absolute mindfuck of direct experience. Once, age 16, a coked up, drunk 25 year old guy mistook me for someone else. Apparently, someone who did him very wrong. Long story short, couple weeks in the hospital, face stitched back together, and these days the only remnant of it is some admittedly rough sinus / ear issues, a handful of scars, and a God-load of compassion, appreciation & love for him. The moral of that story, in my direct experience - I do not know what anyone is thinking, feeling, nor experiencing - when I believe I do, vicariously but also truly not - “I” suffers. You might call this a great paradox of direct experience vs suffering. Nothing is what it seems, right down to the very last atom. Such is, with all things, unveiled “typically”, as self, nature, animals, people, object. The depth of our (“my”) overlays upon it are simply “deeper” than you’ve yet “been” / unconverted / inspected. Put incredibly short - kid asks his dad how God could allow Hitler, while his rated M video game is paused. Even more simply - you don’t know what death is. What you’re ‘missing’ is Awakening is total. There is no relative. This is something unlike all other thoughts, concepts, ideas. It is not conceivable, only “experienceable”, as what is without experience, and there is not then again, because there never was, experience. It’s “paper thin”, so much so there’s no paper at all, and one is basically forced to point with a term like paper thin. If “it” seems huge, direct experience brings it down to eye level, if properly inspected. Nice...tricky though...the statement “ignorance is bliss” is likely not made from the one in ignorance. We tend to suffer, under the assumption it’s part of physical reality, individuality. Separate self = suffering. In ‘personal sense’, I did not find it blissful, there was no foundation of sense at all. Now ‘i’ am entirely ignorant, and it is indeed bliss. Then be effortless, without friction and confusion. Let all go. Can’t? Inspect that can’t. Inspect “the one” who can’t. Something to ponder, awakening that which is unlimited, is not done via limits. Create your awakening, drop any limitation on formulating such a plan. It is worth everything.

OK, I wonder if any of you guys have gone through the website, "Unveiled Secrets and Messengers of light". Most of what they state resonates with me but there is a particular paragraph which has been intellectually disturbing me for a long time and I have not yet reached the required state of enlightenment to verify this statement. The webpage is here: https://unveiledsecretsandmessagesoflight.blogspot.com/2009/10/johnakan-ur-el-17mar2000.html Please allow me to quote the relevant paragraph in this topic: "Interlocutor: Another of the questions I have scheduled, is if the human spirit evolves from the unicellular animals, going through the mineral Kingdom, then the vegetable Kingdom, later on the animal Kingdom and finally as a man. Johnakan Ur-El: The spirits embody in the whole matter of the universe, but - and this is important to clarify it-, “transmigration of the soul” doesn't exist. What exists is reincarnation of the soul, a completely different concept. There is a tendency of Buddhism . And I spoke personally to my brother Siddhartha. which was misinterpreted. Interlocutor: Even at the present time? Johnakan Ur-El: Correct, the Tibetan Buddhism even at the present time keeps using it mistakenly. The animal spirit evolves as animal. The vegetable spirit evolves as vegetable. The mineral spirit evolves as mineral. The human spirit evolves as human. That is, it doesn't change, for example, from a goat to a man. This sounds beautiful because there is a fable that tells the story of how a goat becomes man, but reality is different. The transmigration of the souls doesn’t exist, I repeat, but the reincarnation of the souls. Interlocutor: The human spirit never embodied in a unicellular being , for example. Johnakan Ur-El: No, the human spirit embodied directly in a man or a woman, and it will always evolve as a man or a woman, as well as the animal embodies in an animal and it will continue evolving as animal. This doesn't mean an evolutionary stagnation, because the current chimpanzee is much more evolved than the chimpanzee of two million years ago..........." OK, the question is, then why I have not been created as a cockroach or an elephant? And what about the soul of a cockroach? (I am purposely using this example because most humans as far as I am concerned detest cockroaches!) So is creation unfair? Does the soul or spirit of a virus or bacteria have no chance to embody into a human body in a distant future to attain enlightenment? I have read Hindu and Buddhist scriptures with regards to this and they generally state that all creatures will eventually attain enlightenment or be embodied into a human form. There is a popular saying in Hinduism that it takes about 8 million years for a simple bacteria to embody into a human body. Of course, I am aware that the time taken could be longer or shorter as well. I love to hear your thoughts on this. This paragraph which I have quoted at the beginning of this thread has been bothering me for a long time. Thank you.

The passage of the story you quoted doesn’t address that. I suppose we could imagine things and add it into the piece of the story above. Or perhaps one could contact the author of the story to see what he imagines. If we assume that there is a thing called enlightenment that is good and we assume that there are some beings that do not have access to this goodness and we assume that such beings are lesser, then I would say yes, it is unfair. According to the story you posted from Johnakan, no chance. According to the story you cite from Hindu and Buddhist scriptures, yes chance. Cool stuff. I like stories about reincarnation and souls. Sometimes I imagine each being is a pod exploring earth and all of our souls are connected to one Mothership. As pods break down and die, they get recycled into new pods. In one sense, it isn’t unfair since all pods are the Mothership. Yet if one assumes that pods are different, some pods are better, and one is restricted to a certain pod fate for eternity, then that would be unfair. It’s essentially saying there is a “me” that got stuck with a crappy fate for eternity.

However, one could argue that the "subtle body" aka soul is experienced in an afterlife of some sort until reincarnation. It is a possibility, that many believe in.... Even Vedanta states the subtle body goes to a heaven or hellish realm until it's present karma is extinguished from this current life, then reincarnation.

I have Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and Borderline Personality Disorder. My mind fools me a lot and I wasted my youth in my mind fantasizing, running after delusions and not being productive at all. There was depression, regret and etc. I have felt suicidal a lot of times. Then 2 years ago I read Eckhart Tolle's book "The Power of Now" and got hope. I started to do meditation in order to make my mind, brain healthier and be happy. I did not know what is ego, what is nirvana, what is insight and etc. I thought ego was some part of my mind and I will get rid of it and be happy like Eckhart Tolle. ... until the beginning of last year, when I got depersonalization/derealization. At that time I found out that ego was me. I was ego. It was so scary. Just several months 20 minutes per day meditation damaged the sense of self. I stopped meditation, sense of self recovered after weeks and I was still unhappy with my ego (no surprise), so after 5 months I resumed meditation. Now I meditate 40 minutes per day and have never got that intense depersonalization yet. I hope I will accept it when it happens. Frustration: 1) I thought it is like sport, I will meditate every day and my mood will get better day by day. But meditation exacerbated depression, regret and etc. I have faith for better outcome, that is why I still continue meditation. 2) I dont believe some notions in spiritual path, such as reincarnation, magickal beings, realms and etc. These notions make me confused. I even think it is psychological path, not spiritual. 3) A lot of people who have been meditating for long years say different, contradictory things, I dont know which is true. This forum is a good example. The biggest challenge is my unfulfilled desires.

Forms of Spirituality ? Liberation and enlightenment The concept of being free from illusions and rules and feeling totally free and self love. Ayahuasca. Restfulness and detachment. Positive visualization. ? Divinity and Heroism.. Using God's love to get through life and harnessing the energies of the universe. That is stoicism.. Divinity is being strong, taking guidance and deriving strength from a higher source and using that to fight and survive through life. ? Character based. Qualities and attributes. Divine qualities. Godliness. The nature of God or the divine. Morality. ?Justice and morality, judgement. Religion. Behavior. Morality. Karma. Actions and outcome and judgment ? Eternity, life after death, ascension. Reincarnation. ?Mysticism like spirits, supernatural, paranormal events, ghosts, intangible sentiments. The mystic part. ?Spiritual struggle. Or war. Between material and spiritual rewards. ? Invocation, love, faith, inspiration and connection... Spells and prayers and having a loving connection and guardian relationship.. Like Swan. ? Filling the cup ? Cosmic principles based. Ma'at Sheene Dao. Universal laws. Law of attraction ?Energy based. About emotions. Words. Spiritual food. Chakra healing. The energy you create and harness. Positive visualization. Being creative. ?Contemplation based. Meditation, contemplation shadow work, insights, awareness, reflection, transcendental. Observation. ?Nature worship ? Empathy love charity, purity of Conscience, charity. Kindness. Kind acts. Helping people. Creating communities. ? Consciousness and Oneness.

Spirituality based on 5 principles ? Liberation and enlightenment The concept of being free from illusions and rules and feeling totally free and self love. Ayahuasca. Restfulness and detachment. Positive visualization. ? Divinity and Heroism.. Using God's love to get through life and harnessing the energies of the universe. That is stoicism.. Divinity is being strong, taking guidance and deriving strength from a higher source and using that to fight and survive through life. ? Character based. Qualities and attributes. Divine qualities. Godliness. The nature of God or the divine. Morality. ?Justice and morality, judgement. Religion. Behavior. Morality. Karma. Actions and outcome and judgment ? Eternity, life after death, ascension. Reincarnation. ?Mysticism like spirits, supernatural, paranormal events, ghosts, intangible sentiments. The mystic part. ?Spiritual struggle. Or war. Between material and spiritual rewards. ? Invocation, love, faith, inspiration and connection... Spells and prayers and having a loving connection and guardian relationship.. Like Swan. ? Filling the cup ? Cosmic principles based. Ma'at Sheene Dao. Universal laws. Law of attraction ?Energy based. About emotions. Words. Spiritual food. Chakra healing. The energy you create and harness. Positive visualization. Being creative. ?Contemplation based. Meditation, contemplation shadow work, insights, awareness, reflection, transcendental. Observation. ? Nature worship..

In the first lot of pictures he looks close to finding out if reincarnation actually happens. Second lot of pictures is Leo watching a Ricky Gervais performance. Third set of pictures is after Leo has inherited a lot of money and spends $1,000 per month on the upkeep of his beard. Thanks for this.

@SunnyNewDay Hard to say, it won't matter either way because you will self-decieve yourself as god once again. reincarnation is just a term for explaining form/formless "you" won't get reincarnate, but "you as formless" as god will split back into form I'm just telling stories about in-between transitions that may or may not be true. it's not important really, but i once heard some other lecturer talking about this. so i thought it would be viable to talk about, in theory and not illogical. you can youtube many people talking about their imaginary spirit guide lol

People talking about reincarnation as if they know this is 100% what actually what happens.... Often wonder if this is just something people regurgitate after taking some mushrooms and watching some spiritual theory online or if they actually have discovered something that is true.

When the day comes you’ve suffered quite enough from in materialism, and you begin the path of self discovery...you’ve got having murdered someone to heal from, the police trying to figure out who you are, always looking over your shoulder, waking up everyday wondering if this is the day you get arrested and spend the rest of your life in jail, the maddening burden of the lives you effected by killing someone, etc, etc. You’ve made this life a hell. No need to consider reincarnation. What about a psychopath who doesn’t care? How infinite is love. Where is the truth not? Can they be separated?

Sorry, I meant *detangle not deranged. And no. When you get sick of “all the hassle” (SUFFERING) - you get willing. Up to you how long you go on. Thinking is hijacking experience and feelings right under your nose, and you’re feeding into it more - rather than addressing it, by making it about “Enlightenment”, and your story about “Reincarnation”. This is the fragmenting, not the practices. You’ve got that backwards...but thinking keeps it backwards because it is always staying a step ahead, which is what practices are designed for. You have yet to realize that all your thoughts about you, are false.

I don't mean to preach but when you have serious emotional and self-esteem issues, I don't think reincarnation is a subject that you should be concerned with right now.

So reincarnation exists only in our heads like a thought, prolly is no different than a pink elephant. We get decieve by our own perceptions. I think there's no answer who satisfy the ego.

@Jonac lol dude there’s no life and death, no waking up to experiences. These are all assumptions you’ve made. You are already the dog living on the streets right now as you simultaneously are the human I’m replying to. Reincarnation is “The process of going from form to formless back to form and then back to formless again” in the eyes of a human who sees that there is both life and death.

Become an Arhat. If you will die as an Arhat, you won't be reborn again. But of course, it's just a Buddhist idea, nobody really knows. I do not believe in reincarnation.

Chapter 316 New chapter - Mythological Framework 1. Six phases and minor phases 2. 3 cosmic characters 3. Swan and the wolf 4. Two types of love - soft love and Devils love as Bdsm 5. Hell of chaos run by Satan. Eternal restlessness. Eternal restlessness and absence of eternity for the one governed by Satan 6. 4 demigods for the devil - the vulture, the snake, the wolf and the grim reaper. These are all masculine. Demigods and symbols for God, - Swan, dragon, pets, stuffed toys, trapezium mountain, rings, mother goddess, eternity dish, christ, chalice, a pillar and obelisks, shabti dolls, trees, 7. Satan represented by a gateway to hell like a place of total darkness and bad vibe. 8. Union with God in eternity and reincarnation. Final closure 9 afterlife. The field of reeds, the fulfillment of unfulfilled spiritual desires, the experience of paradise and an ideal life. 10 Swan practice 11. Concept of heath 12. Twin flame guardian 13. Imaginary friends and lovers, and spirit animals or demi gods. 14. Art, romance and fantasy 15. Concept of core body and specific layers. 16 importance of Mastery 17. concept of categories 18 Blend of spirituality and materialism and myth 19 Energies of Life 20 power of Conscience 21 energy of love 22 change of state 23 training the brain - part of Mastery 24 chain of support.. Imaginary 25 unshakable faith 26 moment to moment awareness and creativity 27 enrichment and yield. 28 internal state and internal fulfillment 29 Swan manual, tarot cards, the spirit exercise(water exercise), contemplation exercises, parts of mind exercises, review contemplation, brail exercise. Cup exercise. 30 We have 2 frameworks. One is conceptual framework and the other is Mythological Framework.. A short description of a concept discussed earlier. Primary truth - the reality. Fact Example - poor people get treated bad. Not so good looking people are ignored. You have to cooperate with the politicians or you cannot have freedom of speech or else you will be in jail. These truths are based on social fabric or social dynamics Secondary truth - you need food to survive. Or you need good sleep to function properly. Drugs are mad. These are things that you cant deny and are not dependent on social order or structure or fabric. It's a fundamental truth or applicable truth. It's directly applied. Example - Higher truth - its the universal truth, the idealistic truth, the truth of nature, the real truth. It's applicable in all circumstances. It goes beyond the limitations of either society or physical body. It's like an eternal truth that will continue to exist or survive even after death. It is always true no matter what.its like a cosmic truth Example - love heals the heart and truth wins or courage is powerful. Evil will not succeed. It looks like it's getting contradicted in reality. Space Blend of spirituality and materialism True soulmate Energies of Life Sleep issues Power of Conscience Aggressors Emotional aggression Investment of emotions Basic reality Energy of love Dehumanization and character assassination Quality of the day Change of State... Journaling. Poverty and insensitivity Family Control, Confidence and Independence Openness Training the Brain Profiling how to profile people Destressing Single Life and Happiness Time for healing Zero Expectations life Important concepts ? Space ? Zero Expectations ❤️ chain of support ❤️ Healing ?Moment to moment awareness and creativity ❤️ Universal love ? You are the hero ?Prayers ?Creativity and personal growth ?Use of science in daily life ?Unshakable faith

New chapter - Mythological Framework 1. Six phases and minor phases 2. 3 cosmic characters 3. Swan and the wolf 4. Two types of love - soft love and Devils love as Bdsm 5. Hell of chaos run by Satan. Eternal restlessness. Eternal restlessness and absence of eternity for the one governed by Satan 6. 4 demigods for the devil - the vulture, the snake, the wolf and the grim reaper. These are all masculine. Demigods and symbols for God, - Swan, dragon, pets, stuffed toys, trapezium mountain, rings, mother goddess, eternity dish, christ, chalice, a pillar and obelisks, shabti dolls, trees, 7. Satan represented by a gateway to hell like a place of total darkness and bad vibe. 8. Union with God in eternity and reincarnation. Final closure 9 afterlife. The field of reeds, the fulfillment of unfulfilled spiritual desires, the experience of paradise and an ideal life. 10 Swan practice 11. Concept of heath 12. Twin flame guardian 13. Imaginary friends and lovers, and spirit animals or demi gods. 14. Art, romance and fantasy 15. Concept of core body and specific layers. 16 importance of Mastery 17. concept of categories 18 Blend of spirituality and materialism and myth 19 Energies of Life 20 power of Conscience 21 energy of love 22 change of state 23 training the brain - part of Mastery 24 chain of support.. Imaginary 25 unshakable faith 26 moment to moment awareness and creativity 27 enrichment and yield. 28 internal state and internal fulfillment 29 Swan manual, tarot cards, the spirit exercise(water exercise), contemplation exercises, parts of mind exercises, review contemplation, brail exercise. Cup exercise. 30 We have 2 frameworks. One is conceptual framework and the other is Mythological Framework.. A short description of a concept discussed earlier. Primary truth - the reality. Fact Example - poor people get treated bad. Not so good looking people are ignored. You have to cooperate with the politicians or you cannot have freedom of speech or else you will be in jail. These truths are based on social fabric or social dynamics Secondary truth - you need food to survive. Or you need good sleep to function properly. Drugs are mad. These are things that you cant deny and are not dependent on social order or structure or fabric. It's a fundamental truth or applicable truth. It's directly applied. Example - Higher truth - its the universal truth, the idealistic truth, the truth of nature, the real truth. It's applicable in all circumstances. It goes beyond the limitations of either society or physical body. It's like an eternal truth that will continue to exist or survive even after death. It is always true no matter what.its like a cosmic truth Example - love heals the heart and truth wins or courage is powerful. Evil will not succeed. It looks like it's getting contradicted in reality. Space Blend of spirituality and materialism True soulmate Energies of Life Sleep issues Power of Conscience Aggressors Emotional aggression Investment of emotions Basic reality Energy of love Dehumanization and character assassination Quality of the day Change of State... Journaling. Poverty and insensitivity Family Control, Confidence and Independence Openness Training the Brain Profiling how to profile people Destressing Single Life and Happiness Time for healing Zero Expectations life Important concepts ? Space ? Zero Expectations ❤️ chain of support ❤️ Healing ?Moment to moment awareness and creativity ❤️ Universal love ? You are the hero ?Prayers ?Creativity and personal growth ?Use of science in daily life ?Unshakable faith ?The beauty of art and fantasy 3 types of framework 1. Conceptual framework 2. Spiritual framework 3. Mythological Framework Concepts will be elaborated later.

@Leo Gura Ok leo . what happens for people who didn't reach nirvana, reincarnation or heaven/hell ?