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For fuck's sake! This is the last thing I need right now. The new age hippy propaganda is taking over the country, which is already a dead country. Ugh. Disgusting. I should cut down on my Facebook usage too. Lots of idiots there dogmatically parroting concepts such as reincarnation, Karma, God, etc... and mindlessly half-seriously asking existential questions. Lord! Why are you doing this to me? Who the fuck gave them technology?! It's like ego & delusion on steroids. Human rights and free speech are the biggest mistake in the human history. Most people don't deserve shit. Most people are just malware and should be used, repressed, and oppressed by dictators and psychopaths like me.
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Breakingthewall replied to Dunnel's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
something tells me that reincarnation is real, but who reincarnates, if there is no individual i right now, is an illusion created by thought. I would say that a pattern is reincarnated, a mold with the characteristics that you have acquired in this existence, but empty, without any memory but with very marked tendencies. your candle goes out and gives light to another candle that continues to evolve, but there is no i, only the cosmos incarnating -
Moksha replied to Dunnel's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I was reading a new book from Ram Dass yesterday, where he compares his soul journey to a spiral staircase. He is standing midway, looking down at the selves that preceded his current incarnation. Looking up, at the top of the stairs, is him too, but as ultimate awareness. It resonated with me. Ram Dass died in December 2019, at the age of 90. I wonder what his new incarnation is, or will be? The truth is that although it is possible to realize ourselves as infinite Consciousness that was never created or destroyed, the actual fate of our relative selves remains a mystery. Maybe the ancient gurus were right about reincarnation, but even that is just a belief. It doesn't actually matter. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to die before you die. Realizing the depthless ocean of Love that You are is the greatest gift you can give to yourself, or to any other relative self. -
Travelion replied to Travelion's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Hello. I know my answer comes late. Thanks for all your words. I already read your answers when you posted them, but I didn't answer them. I needed to take a break from actualized.org, meditation and spirituality. I was just desperate. I really appreciated your words, but I didn't know how to properly use your advice. I know that repression is not a healthy way to deal with fear, but I didn't know what to do. When I decorated our Christmas tree with my family, I could not enjoy it. To "never stop being aware of something" was very scary. I didn't know what to do, I never felt an anxiety like that in my life. I am not an anxious person. I think, in retrospect i was not ready for my ego-death-experience in September, at least not for the consequences for my existence. I don't know if I "worked out my fear" or anything like that, but at least I don't feel anxiety when I think about immortality, reincarnation, and the story "The Egg" anymore. Idk, it just does not feel dangerous now. Maybe it will do so in future again. But I will work through it. The experience in September was probably the most incredible gift of my life. Thanks for your kind words and advices. -
A fatal "mistake" spiritual teachers have made I think is to only have the I Am dimension as a mental state. And their bodies are treated as something separate and they age and die. In this way they become total losers in my opinion. There isn't anything natural by biological birth and death. What we need to do instead is to expand the I Am dimension into the body, and then expand our physical body so that it becomes the whole planet Earth. Birth, death, reincarnation, heaven and hell, those are all insane beliefs.
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I highly recommend reading the works of Pyrrhonism. I believe I was probably 13-15 years old when I first studied epistemology, and I encountered skepticism. It all made perfect sense, but it was just an idea to me. I didn’t read the whole book, I just understood the basic premise of there being no criterion of truth (Credit: Wikipedia) For several years, I carried skepticism in a latent capacity. I‘d like to think that I never totally committed myself to any belief, but I fell prey to negative dogmatism. I was/am a Humean. I went around everywhere and shook everybody’s foundation. The Problem of Induction is my favorite piece of philosophy because it made me understand that I’m an animal. I was active on the Internet doubting a lot of what people believe. I was having fun, but I admit that I did not fully get it though. I wasn’t what you’d call “Orange” because I actively fought scientism (in fact watching Leo’s newest videos I couldn’t help but think welcome to club?) But, I was also anti-religion. I was anti-everything. Sort of like a self-amused Nihilist. This worldview was somewhat liberating, but incomplete. A lot of casual things that bother other people haven’t bothered me. Reality is sort of unreal and groundless. But, I was/am bothered by ideas. Ideas are more real than physical reality. I’ve been reading about Buddhism the past 3 months. But there are a lot of questions in Buddhism. Like is reincarnation real or is it a metaphor? Is it real or is it a metaphor? I grappled with the ideas, and reified them. There was a debate between one side and the other, but never a debate about the debate itself. Last month it hit me, when I first read Nāgārjuna. It’s called The Middle Way. The whole point is that it is not “Yes” or “No”; there is no criterion (there’s an argument that The Middle Way and Pyrrhonism are essentially the same). Let’s take Actualized.org. I actually followed the channel 4 years ago, it taught me meditation and it helped me get out of a depressive rut I was in. But a year or so ago, I was watching it and kind of thought, Alright this is some New Age nonsense. He’s entertaining things that are clearly nonsense. Paranormal activity? “I am God”? What nonsense this? I unsubscribed. But then I came back. After reading this philosophy, I started watching Actualized.org more. I just confronted it. Ok sure, I’ll watch Mr. God explain why we’re all God. I see what he’s saying, it’s panpsychism or pantheism, another philosophy, another idea. Then I kind of had a realization. What if this like a giant Zen Koan? Why are we entertaining the existence of ghosts and demons? See, there’s a latent skepticism. So of course, maybe there are ghosts, but I see no evidence so I choose not to believe. So why entertain something with no evidence? Sadhguru talks about Yogis being able to sit in one position for months. There are the Breatharian movements. A perspective: These are all trainings. We obviously don’t “really” know if these things are there or not. But how do we react to them? These ideas defy common sense and what one would expect from Science. There’s no evidence. Here’s what happens, you understand it this way and then you start arguing and attacking. When you argue and attack, you are perturbed. Not by “real things or circumstances” but by “ideas.” I was getting mad about ideas! These are just ideas! Neither right nor wrong. It’s a confrontation, by confronting what doesn’t make sense to you, you either choose to reject it and debate or you learn to live with it because you must realize that your reasons for choosing to reject it are equal to reasons to accept it. This is Pyrrhonism. When you confront your fears, you grow. When you confront nonsense, you also grow in a different way. Ever since I read Nāgārjuna, I become like a computer program. I work in IT, do you what happens when you tell a computer to divide by zero? The program crashes. There’s no answer. It is asymptotic. How do we resolve this? We write a try-catch block. Try: do this. Catch: If an infinite loop emerges, then stop. Do something else. You can’t divide by zero. You can’t make sense of nonsense. So don’t. This is non-attachment to views. I had this to a degree ever since I learned about skepticism. But it’s actually a process and an ability. You develop it. There are huge holes in the realm of ideas that you choose to reject or you choose to affirm. This is a reifying of the “Yes” or “No.” This is the opposite of the Middle Way. So now every time I encounter an idea I don’t like. I implement a sort of try catch block of code into my mind. Why am I bothered by this idea? It’s a self-examination and therefore it takes a long time. Wordlessness is kind of an Eastern Idea. The Tao is nameless. You cannot discuss the Ultimate Truth because our Conventional words cannot access it this way. This is another idea that bothered me a lot, because it sounds like irrationalism. You can’t just not think! You can’t not have words, that doesn’t make sense! Well, Sextus Empiricus and the Pyrrhonists have cured this. ”Similarly with regard to the question of whether propositions exist, for the proposition is a lekton. Further, even if it should be granted for the sake of argument that lekta exist, it will be found that propositions do not, for they are composed of lekta that do not exist simultaneously with one another. In the case of "If it is day, it is light," when I say "It is day" the proposition "It is light" does not yet exist, and when I say "It is light" the "It is day" no longer exists. And since composite things cannot exist if their parts do not exist simultaneously, and the things of which propositions are composed do not exist simultaneously, propositions do not exist.” It is a perfectly logical argument as to why propositions don’t exist and my logic was against wordlessness was flawed. It is paradoxical because one must use a proposition to argue that propositions don’t exist. But in reality, they don’t exist for the reasons laid out. The realization that all of these people had was the extent of our mental fabrications. The very nature of words is that they are reified. They are mentally built. In any instant of time it doesn’t exist. It’s a conglomeration, your memories become your reality. They’re only real in the sense that you hold them in your head and piece them together. This is also what “no-self” is. Your self is the conglomeration built up, but careful you might just reify the idea and turn it into a reality that can harm you. This is Dependent Origination and Emptiness. If you understand Hume, you already know this. Reading Nāgārjuna was like reading something I already knew, but in a much more powerful way. Did you know that Pyrrho was a High Priest? Did he believe in a bearded sky God? Well if he did, he certainly didn’t know of one because he was a skeptic after all. This is the liberating feeling. You can become anything. If I “practice this teaching” appropriately, I could live amongst religious zealots and it wouldn’t even bother me. It shouldn’t bother me. It’s just ideas, why get mad about an idea? This is the feeling of libertarian I get. For what does it mean to be God? God is just a word. Don’t be perturbed by it. We could replace the word “God” with “Reality” or “The Universe.” Try to rewatch some of Leo’s God videos and replace “God” with “The Universe.” Now it’s crazy, but in a good way. When he says “God” it’s only crazy “in a bad way” because you don’t like the idea of “God” or his view of “God” conflicts with your own. If I say, “I am the Planet Earth” that is the most selfless thing a person could possibly say. You’re not simply an actor in the human rat race of making money and gaining fame, you’re also not simply a detached observer trying to figure what is going on? You are the Planet Earth. Literally! You are literally the Universe? Sure. To say that The Universe is self-aware isn’t a crazy statement. If the Universe is Everything and you are a Thinking Thing, then the Universe has at least some self-aware components. But these self-aware components can only become aware of the Universe, it is indeed the Universe becoming aware of itself. Just keep exploring, keep shifting perspectives and developing your craft. You are a process. I met one guy who claimed to be God once. He said that what lived to do was poke people and make them want to upgrade their operating systems. Perhaps this is all an elaborate poking, aka “pointing” so that people untether themselves. Of course, I must not be enlightened because I thought of this. I didn’t sit with my mind empty for 10 days straight. So therefore, don’t believe me. I’m lying, I don’t believe me. Take everything with a grain of salt all the time. One final quote, because it sums it all up. “The victorious ones have said that emptiness is the relinquishing of all views. For whomever emptiness is a view, that one will accomplish nothing.” -Nagarjuna
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caspex replied to caspex's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Damn, yeah. Ok I think it is starting to make sense, wow yeah, that's simple really. Fuck, I think I got it on some shallow level because now I am questioning why there should not be reincarnation. Reincarnation is right here, right now, it's not against my direct experience. my direct experience proves it. Damn. -
TheAvatarState replied to caspex's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
If you understand yourself as an infinite being who was never born and never dies, and can only "be," then reincarnation is perfectly in line with it. You might be an alien in another universe next dream, who knows. -
caspex replied to caspex's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
I don't know about the soul since it isn't in my experience as well. What I do know is the direct experience free of beliefs. Sadly I have no experience such as even AP and such to verify any soul stuff or reincarnation or chakras etc. -
BipolarGrowth replied to caspex's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@aurum I don’t agree with this based on my experience. I’ve had multiple God realizations that did not directly address the topic of reincarnation whatsoever. Realizing you are God does not somehow answer all questions you might have. That is a separate experience typically. -
BipolarGrowth replied to caspex's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Well, the obvious answer is to die. That’s the only way to truly verify whether reincarnation exists or not. Anyone telling you otherwise is bullshitting themselves and you. -
Mafortu replied to caspex's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
You are looking at reincarnation the wrong way. Reincarnation is happening all around you, every thing that exists is god manifesting itself into form. God is manifesting into and through you, through me, through all rocks, ants and leaves. Your soul is no different than my soul, we share the same soul. Every human and animal that has lived, lives and will live, its just one singular soul, reincarnating infinitely. -
Reincarnation. How? That whole idea goes against 'my' direct experience. Yet 'I' believe it might so be the case because 'I' believe highly woke people found it out. So how do I find it out as well? I as an ego am not. So I don't know what reincarnates. There has to be some truth to this. I wanna verify it through experience. If anyone has, please help me. I have 0 experience in this.
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One must not assume or mistakenly conceive of creative evolution as different than the totality of universally ageless bondage by a self-consciously perpetuated matrix of karmic pattern-awareness. Karma is not an element of influence acting on a separate realm called creation in that existence is itself nothing but karmic momentum through and through. Karma doesn’t “happen” to you. It already defines your entire reason for being through and through. There is no other reason for being. I hope that fact doesn't shock you. Rest assured that the reality of existential properties falls into neither relative mode of philosophical eternalism nor nihilism. Existence is simply a mystery beyond the ken of empirical scientific method— based simply on the level of its own modalities of currently devised properties attributable to quantum physics. “Karma” isn’t even a thing. To believe it is a thing would be like believing “ego” is an absolute in terms of the identity of the being that is going to die. When it does, it is gone forever. People who actually believe as much are categorical "nihilists". "Eternalism" is a belief in a transmundane "soul" able to perpetuate the ultimate identity of the individual: either by reincarnation or by eternal salvation or damnation. Actually, creation and karma are both references to the mundane, the created, the realm of delusional existence, and all such references fall into the realm of process, time, or, the incremental. Even so, referring to the “transformational” properties attributable to the absolute essence of the created is only a provisional teaching device in that the essence of reality doesn’t change. Why? Nonorigination. Beginningless nonorigination. Beginninglessness isn't a reference to a far away time. It is literally without beginning. Such is the nature of reality, and its essence is awareness. Being uncreated, awareness is void of self and void of emptiness. As such, one's own quality of being is awake. Being is karmic and nonbeing is awake. Obviously, nonbeing is transcendent in its causelessness and being is a process of endless changes. Because one must first see essence oneself in order to “transform” the created into potential is only in a manner of speaking. Why? Because reality and delusion are even now, without a doubt, not different. It is only a matter of one's quality of unobscured clarity into the nature of reality that one realizes delusion or nondifferentiated unity by the being's inherent enlightening function. Why? Because the delusional created realm being none other than enlightenment for those who see essence, who see reality, it follows that those whose Dharma eye is obscured by habit energy (conditioned consciousness) consider enlightenment as something else, something other than their own mind. Even if deluded people afflicted by ignorance of their inherently nonoriginated enlightening function take it upon themselves to mistake the thieving human mentality for sincere open wonder, they still do not see reality and cannot partake of the vehicle of the unconditioned. By seeing reality, one naturally forms a partnership with creation and its karmic changes on par with the Causeless, thereby to transcend endless rounds of birth and death while in the very midst of delusional karmic evolution. This means that seeing delusional existence as potential in reality and not as things relative to the personality, one deals with essence directly and goes along with the uncreated. Ordinary people see transcendent reality as creation and see essence as things, and thereby go along with karmic momentum, changing along with things (birth and death). Though enlightenment and delusion are not different in terms of essence, whether or not people see reality or delusion is a matter of clarity or obscurity, in terms of one’s degree of awakening to self-refining practice. Some people have light karma and some people have heavy karma. But it doesn't matter because the rule is arriving at the cessation of future karmic generation by refining away the karmic basis of the being that is going to die in spite of circumstantial cycles karma of past and present. The simple fact is that if one isn't presently free, one won't be free in the end. The essence of reality has never been other than this very instant. ed note: change "(change)" to "(birth and death)" at end of 6th paragraph
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Principium Nexus replied to Adamq8's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Question what experience do you have before you were born? There is no experience of time before you are born and suddenly you were there. A cosmic sea of infinity and a consciousnesses emerged and became aware. Now imagine that when you die you feel like going to sleep. Your body will slowly lose all the higher functions, complex thinking will shift to just feeling without thought/concepts. You are not your brain and all clusters of cells will experience their own individual deaths. The body will sense that oxygen is depleting and start to tingle and warm up eventually moving towards a state of non-feeling like a sleeping body part. Your body is slowly dissolving and it is peaceful because your worries only happen when the brain is still fighting to maintain it's concepts and ego that wants to survive. The moment you surrender and give in to becoming one with what always had been all worries fade away and you merge with the experience of grandness and Reunion. It feels like that mind that has always so desperately been fighting has now given in and you are coming home to the ethernal. And now knowing that everyone will be with you maybe you can accept death more easily. Now your mind and body have dissolved into infinity. You are back at the place before you were born, timeless. Here comes the part of belief, whoever you were, what you life was about, you must have faith that if you strip everything away and become one you will not be gone but one thing remains. The observer that experiences nothingness is who will always be present. This idea that you will be waiting before waking up is at the core of reincarnation. Now many religions portray their own cultural images and feelings onto this subject but I fully convinced that you should strip away any cultural ideas, these might only be relevant to your early stage in death as you still identify with these concepts and get feeling of guidance until the conceptual thinking has fully dissolved. You have been waiting all this time, timelessly waiting, and now you are here. Where did you come from, what is your intention to keep walking forward and who will you become? Remember that wherever you are you will be at home. Your mind will always give you reasons to suffer but that's because you don't believe or know in who your are unconditional. The fear of something is worse that the thing itself, so be fearless, be mindful and live with feeling and not the mind who tries to conquer and own everything. Live a mindful life, don't get lost in the abyss of fear, unnecessary stress and delusion. You know what to do. -
Endangered-EGO replied to Adamq8's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Some people/religions assume there is a reincarnation loop, that only ends with enlightenment. Other people/religions assume there is an afterlife, an earthly heaven with trees flowers etc, or an multiple astrals. A different interpretation is a formless pure light/love interpretation of becoming God. I really really hope that none of those is the case. It seems to me that death is simply the cessation of every "thing". I'm okay with that. I am also not sure about the no-thing-ness. Because as far as I saw into it, life is a dream, and waking up from the illusion by dying might mean that there is a "place" with more substance. Maybe ego death is not the same as actual dying. However it's just a memory for me. As far as my interpretation goes is that this pure consciousness incarnates again and again, but does my perspective incarnate? I don't think so, and hope this isn't the case. A drop goes into the ocean and an after being mixed up an other drop is born out of the ocean. So consciousness reincarnates, but not perspectives. Some people claim that after death we can decide to come back or not. I would love to hear the interpretation of someone who considers himself enlightened enough to get it. -
Yesterday something came up. I already knew I had mild anxiety for a few years, but damn, I realised I am afraid of everything. I also of course believe my worldview to be true. I fear the known bad things in life, like torture accidents pain etc. I also fear the unknown "bad things" in life, like something happening that I couldn't have imagined. I fear dying and death, and I fear the possibly endless reincarnation loop, karma and afterlife-hell. I fear becoming insane and interpreting a mental disorder with awakening. I fear uncertainity and not-knowing. I fear time and timelessness. I kind of know that all those fears come from mildly traumatic life experiences, but a part of me believes this worldview to be true. Suffering waiting to happen. I simply don't know what to do with those things that come up, I heard this is a normal process but it kind of feels like I am doing something wrong. I might contemplate about my worldview. Especially about the things I don't want to look at. Any tips?
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Tim R replied to hyruga's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@hyruga We discussed the topic of reincarnation just a couple of days ago, here's the thread -
Breakingthewall replied to PlasmicProjection's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
This has the same problem than reincarnation. Who goes to the hell? Must be the ego. But the ego is illusory, it's formed in this life, is like a clothing that cover the being. But maybe it have a permanence after death. -
Gesundheit replied to hyruga's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
It's real at stage Purple. At Blue, it turns into Karma. Or perhaps the other way around, I'm not sure. Green reincarnation is the law of conservation. -
Someone here replied to hyruga's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
You really don't need to bring 'souls' and woo woo beliefs into the equation. We know as a matter of fact that the universe is constantly reincarnating. Transition from one form into another. So all humans are really the same being. The universe taking apparently different forms tho. So that's reincarnation. Every new born is you reincarnating. -
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/716499/reincarnation-REAL-proof-life-after-death WHILE many scientists will dispel the notion of reincarnation as a myth, there are some credible experts out there who believe that it is a genuine phenomenon. Reincarnation is generally a religious concept that implies that upon a select few’s deaths, their soul, mind or conscious is transferred to a new born. It sounds like the stuff of fantasy, but some scientists do believe that it is a feasible concept. Dr Ian Stevenson, former Professor of Psychiatry at the University of Virginia School of Medicine and former chair of the Department of Psychiatry and Neurology, dedicated the majority of his career to finding evidence of reincarnation, until his death in 2007. Dr Stevenson claims to have found over 3,000 examples of reincarnation during his time which he shared with the scientific community. In a study titled ‘Birthmarks and Birth Defects Corresponding to Wounds on Deceased Persons’, Dr Stevenson used facial recognition to analyse similarities between the claimant and their alleged prior incarnation, while also studying birth marks. He wrote in his study: “About 35 per cent of children who claim to remember previous lives have birthmarks and/or birth defects that they (or adult informants) attribute to wounds on a person whose life the child remembers. The cases of 210 such children have been investigated. “The birthmarks were usually areas of hairless, puckered skin; some were areas of little or no pigmentation (hypopigmented macules); others were areas of increased pigmentation (hyperpigmented nevi). “The birth defects were nearly always of rare types. In cases in which a deceased person was identified the details of whose life unmistakably matched the child’s statements, a close correspondence was nearly always found between the birthmarks and/or birth defects on the child and the wounds on the deceased person. “In 43 of 49 cases in which a medical document (usually a postmortem report) was obtained, it confirmed the correspondence between wounds and birthmarks (or birth defects).” In a separate study, Dr Stevenson interviewed three children who claimed to remember aspects of their previous lives. The children made 30-40 statements each regarding memories that they themselves had not experienced, and through verification, he found that up to 92 per cent of the statements were correct. The article, published on Scientific Exploration, Dr Stevenson wrote: “It was possible in each case to find a family that had lost a member whose life corresponded to the subject’s statements. Read more. https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/716499/reincarnation-REAL-proof-life-after-death?jwsource=cl
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Someone here replied to machinegun's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Yeah I think it's obvious what Karma is from a oneness view point. If you are the same being in every being. If you are beheading a chicken.. You are the human who's beheading the chicken and the chicken that's getting beheaded simultaneously. So instant karma. It's not a process in time and doesn't require reincarnation because it's hard for us to make sense of how time is illusory and our relative notion of how the universe works are not what's absolutely true. -
How to be wise replied to Shanmugam's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@Shanmugam In ‘Conversations with God’, God says that Jesus is a reincarnation of a person who had, in a previous life, finished his awakening process, but had decided to come back for the sake of his fellow men. -
ajasatya replied to Javfly33's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
Reincarnation is real. You'd need to understand what reincarnates though. What is born? What dies?