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@Lila9Thank you for writing this. My older brother lost his life to suicide as well. I also have thought i could have done more to maybe prevent this, but i know i couldn't - causes and conditions.

I hear ya Brother. At the same time these guys are not just forum admins, these guys are up there with thousands, if not millions of followers for a reason, and yes i can understand where you are coming from, the mind is often quick to judge and sometimes not patient or calm enough to listen deeply, and to hear what is being said often 'between the words' is more crucial, but yes this video brings it out more. Glad you enjoyed. For me its more the energy of the individual, the warmth and vibrancy and serenity and grace i feel from them. This can be challenging online though, but videos help a lot, whereas text, well... you've seen the challenges we have, especially on the other forums. That's why i left it altogether. I was genuinely trying to help people going through a psychological crisis and meeting them (where they were at) to the best of my ability, and Zeus would come down and strike me with his all high and mighty 'all horseshit' non-dual statements that really felt like a parrot repeating a program with no solid ground or intuitive timing, empathy or compassion for the person or dire situation at hand. No wonder some people have probably commit suicide on these forums, there is no true grounded guidance and leadership. These teachers are teaching and following the traditional and grounded advaita vedanta teachings, while most people online are rumoring around new-age neo-advaita like chinese whispers only confusing themselves further. This is why in ancient times or spiritual lineages there was always a guru or teacher for this reason, people online have no gurus or teachers, they have no respect first and foremost for them. So they are scattered all over the place. By eventually the rude awakening will catch up with them and life smacks us all in the face.

Nothing comes easy to me Life is a constant struggle, and everything seems like hard work (yesterday I created a post on suicide and today I'm thinking of my life purpose. My two personalities talking..)

Suicide is never the answer. It's usually a cry for help.

Suicide bombing, kamikaze strikes.

@Yeah Yeah Sorry the hear about Your situation.. I had a short situation with depression and suicidal ideation back in 2019, it was due to compounded loss, I had a bunch of losses and it just hit me, I didn't want to live sometimes, depressed and not really Me... I took a leave from work, I maintained a routine, I worked out regularly, did my yoga practice (this is what really saved me I think) and went for frequent walks and had 2 counselling sessions a week, and family support(but this weaned as time went on).. A couple of times I called the hot line and went to the hospital...I was on SSri meds for depression and anxiety.. I eventually got out of it, when I decided to move to another city and essentially start over...Now I am perfectly fine emotionally, other than getting pissed off for a few seconds in traffic and the chaos of the city... My advice is this: get a routine, be as physically active as you can, practice Yoga and proper Breathing methods, learn to Accept What is, start small, accept small things and build this up to Accepting everything as it is.. And Practice Now Living, Presence, if You can get this to high degree no stress will happen for You.. Regarding what they say about death and afterlife, I've never died but they say how You are feeling at the moment of physical death is amplified in the afterlife, if Your in fear or suffering then that is what You feel essentially there, opposite is true too, so heaven and hell exist in experience while here embodied and there disembodied... I hope You get better soon:) Namaste!!! p.s. My nephew died by suicide in 2006, it devastated the family, its terrible for the ones left behind trust me, use that to motivate Yourself if You have to when in hard times, use whatever you need to use to get you thru to the next day!!

My Sisters 1st son died by Suicide in 2006, he was only 25yrs old, my sister found him, her 1st son, she called her other son over, they both saw him that way(he hung himself).. I was not living in the city when it happened, I came home for the funeral, my parents where devastated, the whole family was, my Mother was always saying 'Why Why" and everyone felt guilt for not doing something more to help him with his problems.. I moved back home to support my parents, it was a rough time for sure, my Sister was not in good shape for the next few years afterwards, but now things are better, Everyone still remembers and keeps my nephews spirit alive, we had dragon boat teams for 10 yrs in a row after his passing in his honor and other things, but it is a very devastating thing to go thru for sure... What I've learned since then is to never suffer another's suffering, have compassion for other suffering, do what You can to help them thru it, but don't suffer it, pain is there for sure, but don't hang on to the pain, as it will disempower You for the rest of your life.. My Sister started a Suicide Awareness Walk in the area she lives and other initiatives to lower the stigma towards depression and suicide awareness, she took what happened and used to empower herself and others around her, so proud of Her!!

I woke up in the middle of the night to horrible screams and cries of a woman. I looked out from the window, I thought something happened in the building in front of mine (there is always something happening there). It turns out it wasn’t in the other building, but closer. Too close. I saw what appeared to be the crushed body of a young man under my window, his mother beside him sobbing and asking him why he did that. His father was screaming to the sky in despair. I called an ambulance with the hope that he was still alive and could be saved. The ambulance came quickly, and the paramedics tried their best for 20–30 minutes to bring him back to life, but unfortunately, he was dead. Later, I found out that it was my teen neighbor who had committed suicide by jumping from a high floor, his parents’ home, a few floors above mine. He was bullied harshly at school, and the pain apparently was so unbearable. He didn’t have to do that, I thought. He was a beautiful and smart boy, but from the limited perspective of an adolescent, he didn’t realize that although his circumstances seemed to suck right now, this was not permanent and that he had a long life to live in which he would also experience good things. His death, and the brutal and painful way he died, traumatized so many people around him. His nuclear family, the extended family, the neighbors, his classmates (the few who were his friends), many people are grieving. So many people loved him. But it was too late. After that, I was afraid to sleep with the window open or look out of the window. I was afraid to go outside when it was dark. I was afraid of random daily things that reminded me of the tragedy. I was hypervigilant. I had dreams of the tragedy or related themes. In one dream, I was in his position, on the ground, looking from below at the window from which he jumped and feeling his parents’ love. Since the day he committed suicide, his parents, especially his mother, were screaming in cries, from the window, every early morning, desperately calling their son’s name, even after his funeral. The screams were so painful to hear, so piercing. It is so painful to witness grieving people, especially parents who lost their child to suicide. At some point, they stopped screaming in grief from the window and just grieved silently at home. His father started to drink. His mother lost so much weight she almost disappeared. I had hallucinations of them crying later. I had hallucinations of hearing someone’s body hitting the ground after jumping from a high floor. I couldn’t stop thinking about his dead body, with the broken limbs, how such death can happen to such young and living person. Gradually the obsessive thoughts and hallucinations decreased, and I could function more easily. It’s still saddens me so much that he took his life. I saw him around two weeks before he died, he was with a friend (who, as I found out later was toxic to him) and he looked to me like a normal, even popular boy. Though when I noticed his eyes, they appeared empty or sad, I couldn’t articulate it, it was just a feeling. I thought that I may be over-feeling. My dogs barked at them, so I moved quickly in order not to scare them, I didn’t have time to converse with them and see what was happening between them, which I regret. This is my survivor’s guilt talking, deluding me into thinking that I had control over the situation. But maybe if his parents, who knew about the bullying, couldn’t stop him, what could I do? If that wasn’t enough, I felt another guilt inside me, another type of guilt, which is the guilt of slightly understanding him. Because it is not socially acceptable to understand people who commit suicide. We’re supposed to never want it, right? And I really don’t want it. I will never do that. But it made me think about how fucked up society is, like, really fucked up and how vulnerable children are to all of this crap. I read that there has been an increase of 60% in child/teen suicide in recent years. This is crazy, because children are not supposed to die in such horrible ways. It also seems like there is not much talk or awareness about it, as if someone is trying to shift the focus away to keep the social dysfunction that leads to it because it benefits them. But we, the adults who live in this society, are responsible as well, we actively create it. Adults bully each other at workplaces, adults are emotionally absent or immature within their family and friendships units, mostly in ways which are normalized snd socially acceptable. And all this narcissistic cult of individualism, that hurts our lives and the lives of our children but we never question it. And it’s bad because it makes the life so much unbearable, unnecessarily unbearable and more difficult than it should be. Especially for the most vulnerable people in society in their most vulnerable stages of their lives. Me and another neighbor would like to plant a tree in the spot where the boy fell, for his memory and with the intention to inspire people to be better, kinder, more tolerant the loving to each other. Though I personally feel a little bit hopeless about society and humanity right now.

I exaggerated a bit before . anyway, just 1 years in prison sure it's interesting. 25 years what a hell, maybe it's better to die. But honestly, I think I would commit suicide only in case of terminal, degenerative disease, and I would never harm innocent people. But who knows, we don't know what we would be like in extreme circumstances.

Well, for me not exactly. I absolutely hate many things. There are a lot of things that I won't do and I would prefer to die. If it's necessary I would organize a genocidal war and then dance around our impaled and burned-alive enemies. If that's what life expects of me, of course . Or maybe I simply commit suicide, depending

The counter argument- Its not Ego that makes up stories or scenarios on why to keep going.. Within all of Us is a very strong survival instinct, we need it since we are relatively weak physically compared to lots of animals, no fur either, thin skinned, weak bones, small muscles, limited endurance. With this strong survival instinct we also have the most advanced Intellect on the planet and ability to have Identity, the intellect will wrap around this identity and lead us in the direction of our identity, which can be also called Ego.. So Humans are meant to strive forward, and always Want to be More than what they Are right now, if this is not within a person experientially then they more than likely want to commit suicide which is at epidemic levels today, the way we have structured society is making our young ppl want to kill themselves, which is super sad.. The problem is ppl think they are this Ego or Identity as well ppl identify with too many different things, they identify with their Gender, Sex orientation, Nationality, Ethnicity, Religion, Political POV, Sporting Teams, Family Association, on and on, this distorts their perception in regards to "What am I and Why am I Here", so ppl are basically living on auto pilot doing what they can too just Survive, but that is a base level of existence for a Human Being.. At the base level of Identity we as Human Beings should identify as vessels of Potential and Possibility, at the top level we are God/Absolute itself!!

Don't know bro, something tells me the father's of dead sons would say different. Thing about it is, I know for a fact that if there was a son that did kill himself, and they heard about the father walking in and finding the sons dead body. It would cause them to think "serves him right." With no recognition as to the devastating effects of their sheer fuckwitery. There is simply no words to describe degenerates of this calibre. If they killed themselves it would save lives. If the roles were reversed, and it was them who walked in to the find that one of their offspring had committed suicide something says a chuckle and a witty remark wouldn't be the correct response

And yes, society today has no clue how to build men. Most guys I meet here in Sweden are good at their profession: good programmers, good engineers etc. they are even very good at sports. But socializing? Humour? Emotional intelligence? Healthy masculinity? Relationship skills? Most of them suck ass at these ones. We failed men and if we don't fix this soon, I anticipate a century of alt right extremism, suicide and mental health problems skyrocketing, trash relationships and more.

This week when the weather is good where I am I will take some missing photos and make a Hinge account, but I hate dating sites in general. I don't see the point in wasting time sleeping with random girls; I haven't had a girlfriend/non-commercial relationship in 22 years, on top of being physically tortured by severe insomnia,and before severe eating disorders, and even before other problems I won't go into. And it's okay, I didn't commit suicide or fall into depression; it's probably better to wait than to wallow in some kind of bad karma, I think.

im more into this chick that popped into my youtube feed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Mazg-izk30&t=592s yes i know... im such a jerk the truth is im starting to feel non human day by day ... enlightened, no one like me around, and there's no much left to do no desire for money,sex,entertainment,wealth,socialise,easy friends, (i was so loser, never had any of these anyway) just free and clear minded -clarity (that's all i need, nothing more nothing else) 10 years of suffering... was worth it ... so many things during that time was erased... without me ever noticing i cant help anyone live this experience because it is unique, designed by god and my inner child unless you find some next door neighbour that don't sleep at night ,bang their door 2-3 times a day-night , only when you try to sleep (like they know exactly your sleeping schedule) and suddenly disrupt you every night-day for 2-3 years, mess your brain, mess your sleep ... and after that something inside you relive this(bangs you) every night even when your neighbours left and other came..... and then imagine them play a role in the solipsistic game... among other projections that visit you and help you play all your fantasy or ego identities, relive hidden experiences of the subconscious, most of them without material existence, a very few with. and they knew everything about you, even your future,"reality" mind-role game that lasted 4 years- not every day- and not too unreal so i dont freak out) something like.. imagine yourself..full feeling a woman, speaking with a woman's voice,wanting to kill the male part of you!!(because of an imaginary abuse it experienced by him!).. talking to a god projection about it.. and then see yourself hanged! this lasted just 10-15min leaving your body and talk to a projection and then joining back in throwing down of the bookshelf a dvd titled "is there a creator(god)" and seeing it fall (i was non believer) and now i can remember only 5% of what i -or better my false self- or both experienced experiencing having feeling and leaving with different iq levels.. from total retard to quite smart the game itself .. with todays view.. was silly.. a main father figure , two girls,many neutral personalities, few kids (all of them quite smart)(they were telling me what i wanted to hear) different person for different self identity and imaginary one from my childhood to the present, my ego liked playing the spy and poker player everyone and everything played their role! with some of those roles identities i would be happy to leave for the rest of my life! but the game never stopped there. (during those days, i was felling that i am living in the matrix, like the movie- really hooked by that movie(the other was inseption)- now really hooked by dualism-solipsism and i wonder what's more to come!) ---- i was too dumb to get hooked by philosophy during this game i was extremely sleep deprived,with my neighbours banging their door constantly every 2 hours(the truth is something inside my mind made me feel this like it was real) ,torture is the right word (lose the part that make me reason and question, just play the game) anti psychotic drugs had no effect whatsoever and after this game stopped ,it took me another 2-3 years to get to this point today that's why everything is unreal, a construct... only me noticing after all these years past!.. when consciousness shifted that's why i don't need therapist unborntao .. i just need to face what i am experiencing my future is fixed.. have not experienced it yet.. and with suicide out of the way , maybe all this will have a happy ending god showed me His presence and i have to respect that.. too many thing , too fast happened after my awakening (looks like i got carried away) the whole mind state i am in(way different than anyone else) is what i need for the realisation part writing all of these is my grounding, not to be kicked out of this forum unborntao what a dream! what a show! what a game! fucking everywhere,anyone,anytime this is the real grounding i think .. eventually .. all comes down to... you want to experience this? experience it you want to die? just die and i the end i was saved by humans! (not quite i guess) what a drama! its fucking everywhere.. in me , in you (be the loser!, much more to learn in the end) that's the only way to quit the game! ok, and after all some of you will still say that i need grounding... i need the groundless ground! (really hooked by this!)(better search it in chatgpt and figure out what it really means) only if could feel it! imagine! and after some more thinking... guess i am just building a solid imagination(never had one) after a long time .... 1500 views.. that's impressive! i am really not making this shit up i guess most of you will grasp it as a Fery tail others like a shit show and the wise ones don't want to spoil it hello anyone watching? or i am way more stupid than i think i am lets have a vote.. what does the Audience say after a while... realised that (furthermore) that trying to fix my emotion is hardest part of all stop being a jerk is a good step... i am on to this

@machinegun I'd sign up to government assisted suicide and never reincarnate fuck humanity fucking disgusting

thanks judy2 for your post thanks for being part of my dream, hope all the best for you,truly its nice to hear kind words in my case the awakening happened last .. after all i been through all those years(first lose the garbage and then) everything happened in the right moment and the right time maybe in your case , you weren't ready yet (only you can realise it when your ready) i guess in your case.. the feelings you experienced got you confused, you needed to have clarity first anyway ... just enjoy what was given to you, if you feel there are still mental issues left.. fight them to the end, play life (sorry i am too meshed up to read all your post in this forum, and look what's happening in your case) it looks like feelings are the deepest iluzion human experiences (including love, despite what everybody talks about in spirituality) (your inner child is love(i felt this in my dreams), not god) (big words i am telling...too stupid thing to do) i talked to chatgpt about this situation im in.. it said that all is part of my illness, that i need grounding and shamanic guidance and support(as ramasta9 quoted earlier) and many more ... same things i am about to hear from any therapist but i have the clarity needed now to realise that all those thing are part of the mind game! my dream has evolved!.. i feel more lucid day by day i have made the choice to respect myself ... not ChatGPT or any therapist with a iq 130 (getting there day by day-i need more wisdom)and gods help(by rewiring-reorganising my brain) ,i think i can manage things thanks again judy2 thanks god but i want out by the way ... god told me i am dead already... that's even more confusing! and made me feel what the word -suicide- feels like,(to protect me maybe) god wants to play.. i want out (where really?) and one last thing... all of this thinks i experienced can not be handled by normal human person.. the mind will collapse, break and lead to mendal ilness (as far as i can tell-there are exceptions) (all sorts of feeling arise out of no ware and confusion dictates- leads to breakdown) - i experience this myself for a brief moment.. god intervened by making a loud sound , and stopped me from total madness even now god stops my dreams turn psychotic.. by wakening me in the right time no sleep for me... haven't slept (resting sleep)for 10 years... thinks getting better after my awakening though god .. i surrender! (maybe one day all those things i am writing will look silly... and EVERYTHING will make sense.. in this dream?) i am sure everything will make sense one day.. thats the hope i have left! and hope dies last i hadn't any clue even what the word spirituality even means one month before my awakening! i guess what's left to do is fix me-god duality (i am deeply suffering about this) maybe peace is the right thing to do and after 20 min of thinking... realised that i have to kiss myself goodbye! what a fucking drama i am experiencing! gods call: save the drama for your mama

@Leo Gura, you mentioned that "Marxists have no clue how to replace this system with something better.". You are right, because they usually suggest removing the market (the distributed computational engine of value), which leads to the stagnation, as @Daniel Balan describes. But the defenders of capitalism are missing the physics of the situation. Capitalism is the best system for a world with infinite frontiers. It is a suicide machine for a world with planetary boundaries. We are currently undergoing a phase transition from the first world to the second. When resources were effectively infinite, capitalism optimized for growth and innovation. It beat feudalism (order) and communism (central planning) because it processed information faster. We are now hitting the "vertical cost curve" of a closed system (climate, demographics, war). In this environment, capitalism’s optimization function; capital accumulation via externalization, becomes a generator of existential risk. It incentivizes "free-riding" on planetary stability. In the best case scenario, the next system won't be a return to central planning. It will be a regenerative market economy. It keeps the price signal (the engine) but changes the objective function (the goal): Instead of maximizing GDP (throughput), it maximizes integration (system health). It can use asset-backed currencies to make planetary healing more profitable than extraction. It can use unconditional economic floors ((Adaptive)UBI) to solve the precarity trap without seizing the means of production. We don't need to "smash capitalism." We need to patch the kernel so it optimizes for planetary stability instead of relative gain.

@Miguel1 imma write this and go to bed, but tomorrow I'm looking forward to reading all of you guys' thoughts From what I've seen, she might have useful stuff for people who are on the brink of suicide. I personally know someone that claims Teal's videos helped her in not making that decision. But honestly, I think Teal is too lost in her own imagination with some stuff. She claims she has extra sensory perceptions, which.. fair enough. But then she makes claims about different types of aliens. And also about AI being a sort of being from another dimension.. She keeps having opinions about how WW3 is already happening blabla. She told some person attending a retreat that their friend (or someone else) is possessed by an alien ... where muh epistemology at? 😆 I seeing a lot of new agers parroting this type of stuff, and I suspect a lot of it originates from her. People that follow her tend to believe she is a super special being, sent to be a sort of high level priestess of this world, and I think she perpetuates this narrative. Also I personally found some of her ideas about trauma, and therapy harmful for my journey. But probably that's not on her, but on me. So I am currently finding too much of her content wacky, schizophrenic and not nuanced enough. Too much noise vs signal.

The very rich can avoid heavy taxation in the EU also. Sweden has more millionaires and billionaires as percentage of population than the US. The rich live worse in the US than the EU. It doesn't matter how rich you are if the roads are shit, public transport is shit, urbanism is shit, most food products are shit, everyone around you is just a working zombie who takes drugs just to not suicide. How cna you keep your millions in your bank account when you hear people around you working to death in order to pay for their past medical bills? France is the example of socialism gone wrong, the state borrowing money in order to pay pensions and benefits.

Please tone down the spiritual showboating ..these are extremely nuanced matters we are discussing . No such thing as "I already died ". Ego death is one thing and physical death is another thing . You did not die physically before (im not talking about reincarnation. Im talking as this particular human James123). Therefore you have no idea what it's like . How do you know death is painful like putting your hand on fire ? Some people take a whole bottle of sleeping pills and go to bed and never wake up again (easy painless suicide).

I remember when i was like 3-6 years old i would have the same dream for like 10 times, me standing on top of a roof of an apartment and then jumping down. While falling down i would always get this cold feeling, and then when i was very close to the ground i got a black screen and wake up. So what i think actually happends, is that when you suicide and say what you actually want (like redoing a life) this will occur and the dream will restart depending on your will. In most cases because you weren't god realized and only know about human life, you will get back as a human. So it's pretty much pointless, because we're in low vibration we should strive to achieve higher consciousness that will make us suffer less. But at the end there is no escape of suffering because you're always conscious for eternity. Some consciousness states will give you all but at the end you will get used to it and when there are no new things and you have everything, you still have to deal with yourself because you're always conscious. Suffering and path of human suffering is usually designed by your higher self so you can eventually experience higher states that provide abundance this will mitigate suffering for some time and this is why your life is like this.

This sounds like a delusion to be honest. Your creating a bogeyman out of government. Suicide among men is more correlated to macroeconomics than direct policy. It's largely a money issue in my opinion. Men are also worse at giving and recieving emotional support.

Actually you raise a good point, probably to stop others from getting ideas. What I find more interesting however, is the government officials that make the systems that cause the suicides. The thing is, it happens. These are facts that are being spoken with minimal judgement. If I see a tree I say, "there is a tree." Or if I see a car I say, "there is a car." Or perhaps I see my dog and I say "there is my dog." These are statements that reflect reality. by this, what I mean is: what is being said, happens. What I also see is governmental systems that cause tens of thousands of males to commit suicide and they just brush it under the rug. And the ones who don't kill themselves either speak out or act out (some more subtly than others). And the ones that speak out or act out...the government points to these reactions as evidence that they they were correct, even though the only reason these people are behaving badly is because the government crippled them. See, if you just cripple peoples lives it's much easier to make them quiet and thereby maintain an illusion that everything's calm and beautiful, unless they interact with a particularly strong individual. If they commit suicide they are no longer a voice to be heard, and they point to the "speaking out" of the ones who don't commit suicide and say, "look! This individual is a dangerous person, this confirms it!" (In spite of the fact that they were the ones who caused the speaking out in the first place) which enables them to continue to be heavier and heavier and heavier. Until of course the system breaks after a couple hundred thousand suicides. It's like a suicide feedback loop that confirms it's own bias by crippling people then pointing to their bad behaviour thereafter and using it as evidence that the initial crippling was justified. what really gets me is that, statistically, there are children who are males who exist right now for whom it on only a matter of time before they grow up end up being victims to this. And within further statistics, some of them will be crippled so badly that, not only will they not be able to speak out, they won't be able to speak about it to anyone and some will simply commit suicide.

Did some research, according to data, of all the people who enter an extremely negative situation in life in the UK and USA combined, lots commit suicide and it's not even reported. Of all of them, over the last 20 years, if 1% commit suicide that's 18,000, if 0.5% commit suicide that's 9,000 and if 0.1% commit suicide that's 1,800. From 2005. What's strange is, it doesn't get much media attention and that's a conservative estimation. There are different procedures in other countries. Namely, what is reported on