What can be better relief then...

[James123]

Completely digesting (I couldn't find better word) that body and mind out of control?

Then there will be not a single space to hold you or you to stay. 

Therefore, you die.

Therefore, not even realization happens that your true nature is freedom. 

Because, there is no realizer, You are already freedom. 

How can freedom realize it is freedom? İmpossible.

Therefore, only Be freedom.

[Someone here]

@James123 the other one is locked 🔒. 

Let's talk here .

@cetus don't lock this too..leave the guy alone. He is not drunk or high .thats his usual. 

[James123]

12 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@James123 the other one is locked 🔒. 

Let's talk here .

@cetus don't lock this too..leave the guy alone. He is not drunk or high .thats his usual. 

Sure man. 

Let's just pray, let's just spread the core of fire but which burns with Love.

One word from Heart, shakes the entire exiistence.

But, must be felt deeply, so deeply.

[Someone here]

@James123 so why are you so passionate about this whole spirituality and enlightenment business?  This forum has long time ago lost It's credibility and Leo is aware of this which is why he wants to refresh the scene with a 1 on 1 psychedelics coaching retreat .

Anyways.. I like you .but people here will keep disagreeing with you because you speak pure truth .but maybe for you it's so obvious because of certain things in your life and by being on the spiritual path for a long time . But you don't want to keep creeping people out here by talking about death and the fact that life is fragile and fleeting.  What do you think ?

[cetus]

28 minutes ago, Someone here said:

 

@cetus don't lock this too..leave the guy alone. He is not drunk or high .thats his usual. 

I won't. Have at it.

[Someone here]

@cetus thanks .🙏 

[James123]

5 hours ago, Someone here said:

@James123 so why are you so passionate about this whole spirituality and enlightenment business?  This forum has long time ago lost It's credibility and Leo is aware of this which is why he wants to refresh the scene with a 1 on 1 psychedelics coaching retreat .

Anyways.. I like you .but people here will keep disagreeing with you because you speak pure truth .but maybe for you it's so obvious because of certain things in your life and by being on the spiritual path for a long time . But you don't want to keep creeping people out here by talking about death and the fact that life is fragile and fleeting.  What do you think ?

I am not passionate about spirituality. I am just saying what is Truth. When body is surrendered, it is pure and do not remember or forget the Truth, because always with it.

No one needs approve or follow what I say, yet either you will need now willingly, if you don't you will need at physical death forcibly 😊 

[Someone here]

3 minutes ago, James123 said:

I am not passionate about spirituality. I am just saying what is Truth. When body is surrendered, it is pure and do not remember or forget the Truth, because always with it.

No one needs approve or follow what I say, yet either you will need now willingly, if you don't you will need at physical death forcibly 😊 

You talk about physical death as if you died before million times .

I have no idea what physical death is like . I'm not actually convinced that there is such a thing as physical death . Sorry I don't take these things for granted . If you boil it down to what it is ..it's basically something that other human beings brainwashed you to believe in . I know it might sound like mad talk but am I right ?

Regardless..if we come down to earth and assume physical death is a given.. I don't think there is anything that can be done. you will die and whatever is going to happen after that is going to happen. Its a natural process. Nothing can prevent it .what's your deal ?

[James123]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

You talk about physical death as if you died before million times .

I have no idea what physical death is like . I'm not actually convinced that there is such a thing as physical death . Sorry I don't take these things for granted . If you boil it down to what it is ..it's basically something that other human beings brainwashed you to believe in . I know it might sound like mad talk but am I right ?

Regardless..if we come down to earth and assume physical death is a given.. I don't think there is anything that can be done. you will die and whatever is going to happen after that is going to happen. Its a natural process. Nothing can prevent it .what's your deal ?

I am already dead. I died once and that's it.

If you want to have small idea what death feels like, put your hand on fire.

[Someone here]

4 minutes ago, James123 said:

I am already dead. I died once and that's it.

If you want to have small idea what death feels like, put your hand on fire.

Please tone down the spiritual showboating ..these are extremely nuanced matters we are discussing .

No such thing as "I already died ". Ego death is one thing and physical death is another thing .

You did not die physically before (im not talking about reincarnation. Im talking as this particular human James123). Therefore you have no idea what it's like .

How do you know death is painful like putting your hand on fire ? Some people take a whole  bottle of sleeping pills and go to bed and never wake up again (easy painless suicide).

[Mellowmarsh]

13 hours ago, James123 said:

Completely digesting (I couldn't find better word) that body and mind out of control?

Then there will be not a single space to hold you or you to stay. 

Therefore, you die.

Therefore, not even realization happens that your true nature is freedom. 

Because, there is no realizer, You are already freedom. 

How can freedom realize it is freedom? İmpossible.

Therefore, only Be freedom.

You Are death. But you are NOT dead. 

[James123]

8 minutes ago, Someone here said:

No such thing as "I already died ". Ego death is one thing and physical death is another thing .

Exactly. The pain of death is for the one who claims ownership of the body. Yet psychical death is just death.

The pain comes from to attachments.

15 minutes ago, Someone here said:

How do you know death is painful like putting your hand on fire ? Some people take a whole  bottle of sleeping pills and go to bed and never wake up again (easy painless suicide).

Therefore, I said put your hand on fire, how long pain is there or you are suffering.

[Mellowmarsh]

Epicurus: "If I am, death is not. If death is, I am not. Why fear that which cannot exist when I do?". 

[Mellowmarsh]

25 minutes ago, James123 said:

I am already dead. I died once and that's it.

You are the grim reaper himself. No one dies except you. 

[James123]

8 minutes ago, Mellowmarsh said:

You are the grim reaper himself.

Just try to control something and see what you really are.

[Someone here]

9 minutes ago, James123 said:

Exactly. The pain of death is for the one who claims ownership of the body. Yet psychical death is just death.

The pain comes from to attachments.

Help me to understand please.."the one who claims ownership over the body " is the ego or the sense of individuality or separation. Which you have said before is illusory. If we get rid of our sense of self we will not feel pain during dying?  I have no sense of self anymore (not literally that would be ridiculous) but I'm completely conscious of no self . Yet the body still feels pain .

12 minutes ago, James123 said:

Therefore, I said put your hand on fire, how long pain is there or you are suffering.

I'm not putting my hand on fire because it's ridiculously painful.  I asked how do you know that physical death is as painful as burning with fire having not died before ?

[Mellowmarsh]

2 minutes ago, James123 said:

Just try to control something and see what you really are.

You Are death. But you are NOT dead. 
 

If you were dead, you would not be death.
 

 

[Mellowmarsh]

4 minutes ago, Someone here said:

  I asked how do you know that physical death is as painful as burning with fire having not died before ?

Physical death is only painful for others not you. 

[James123]

2 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Which you have said before is illusory.

I actually didn't say it is an illusion. It is actually greatest not enemy but deceiver.

5 minutes ago, Someone here said:

If we get rid of our sense of self we will not feel pain during dying? 

When ownership ends, you are not even a witness, therefore no suffering takes place.

6 minutes ago, Someone here said:

but I'm completely conscious of no self .

Where is the one who is conscious, if you have already no sense of self?

7 minutes ago, Someone here said:

I asked how do you know that physical death is as painful as burning with fire having not died before ?

Try to give up one of your strongest attachment. Like smoking cigarettes, maybe you spend only 30 minutes in entire day with smoking. And compare that with your entire life, loved ones, experiences, properties, and most importantly try to survive and stay alive. 

Do you think these attachments will go easy? 😊 

[Mellowmarsh]

9 minutes ago, James123 said:

Where is the one who is conscious, if you have already no sense of self?

You’re IT

No sense sensed.