Gems Of Wisdom :)

[Ramasta9]

I am creating this topic to post valuable videos that I feel are helpful, that can provide a more grounded and embodied understanding of spirituality and truth.

These two are some of my favorite speakers because they don't only speak from a non-dual/absolute perspective, but also see the whole picture of what it is to experience life through a human body. And I feel this is often overlooked among online users and teachers, that only seems to prevent one from grounding and stabilizing the, lets say "spiritual current" even deeper into Being. Meaning most stop half way and think "this is it", neglecting everything else.

When you "think" you've arrived, you've only fallen yet into another illusion of the mind. Yes we can know the truth, we can state it, but are we actually living in our fullness? or only in our heads? 

I will share more as i find them, feel free to contribute your own if this or these videos and reminders resonate.

Trust you will find meaning and usefulness in these shares. Many Blessings 

 

Edited Monday at 09:39 AM by Ramasta9

[Joseph Maynor]

The Rupert Spira video is amazing in the sense that he is saying that.  Wow!  That's the first time I've heard that kind of nuance from someone who I've kinda lumped in as a neo-advaita teacher.

[Ramasta9]

3 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

The Rupert Spira video is amazing in the sense that he is saying that.  Wow!  That's the first time I've heard that kind of nuance from someone who I've kinda lumped in as a neo-advaita teacher.

I hear ya Brother. At the same time these guys are not just forum admins, these guys are up there with thousands, if not millions of followers for a reason, and yes i can understand where you are coming from, the mind is often quick to judge and sometimes not patient or calm enough to listen deeply, and to hear what is being said often 'between the words' is more crucial, but yes this video brings it out more. Glad you enjoyed.

For me its more the energy of the individual, the warmth and vibrancy and serenity and grace i feel from them. This can be challenging online though, but videos help a lot, whereas text, well... you've seen the challenges we have, especially on the other forums.

That's why i left it altogether. I was genuinely trying to help people going through a psychological crisis and meeting them (where they were at) to the best of my ability, and Zeus would come down and strike me with his all high and mighty 'all horseshit' non-dual statements that really felt like a parrot repeating a program with no solid ground or intuitive timing, empathy or compassion for the person or dire situation at hand.

No wonder some people have probably commit suicide on these forums, there is no true grounded guidance and leadership.

These teachers are teaching and following the traditional and grounded advaita vedanta teachings, while most people online are rumoring around new-age neo-advaita like chinese whispers only confusing themselves further.

This is why in ancient times or spiritual lineages there was always a guru or teacher for this reason, people online have no gurus or teachers, they have no respect first and foremost for them. So they are scattered all over the place.

By eventually the rude awakening will catch up with them and life smacks us all in the face.

 

 

Edited Monday at 09:24 PM by Ramasta9

[Ramasta9]

 

[Breathe]

23 hours ago, Ramasta9 said:

they don't only speak from a non-dual/absolute perspective

Interesting. He used to only speak from an absolute perspective.

Fun fact. I had a short conversation with him in person a few years ago. Nice guy.

[Ramasta9]

1 hour ago, Breathe said:

Interesting. He used to only speak from an absolute perspective.

Fun fact. I had a short conversation with him in person a few years ago. Nice guy.

It depends on the person you are speaking to and the situation at hand. You don't tell a mother who recently lost her child that the child is an illusion and there is no-self. That is why there is intuition, timing, awareness, compassion, understanding. All these things come into play.

These speakers aren't new, they've been refining themselves far longer than most, if not all of us who use these forums.

 

 

[Breakingthewall]

They are good people, they help many people, and their intentions are genuine, but that doesn't mean they aren't fundamentally flawed.

Their non-duality is always profoundly dualistic; their identification with consciousness is a mental exercise that offers comfort but isn't true understanding. It remains identification.

Their use of the idea of "illusion" is a tactic to downplay life's problems and make people feel more at ease. They cover a social necessity, doing a great job

Just my point of view, maybe who's wrong is me, of course 

 

Edited 13 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Breathe]

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Their use of the idea of "illusion" is a tactic to downplay life's problems and make people feel more at ease

It's spiritual bypassing

[Breakingthewall]

33 minutes ago, Breathe said:

It's spiritual bypassing

Absolutely. All the reductionist speech of non duality is exactly that, spiritual bypassing. A mental movement to feel better avoiding complexity . That's why it's so accepted, because it's comfortable and simple

Edited 7 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Ishanga]

18 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Absolutely. All the reductionist speech of non duality is exactly that, spiritual bypassing. A mental movement to feel better avoiding complexity . That's why it's so accepted, because it's comfortable and simple

Sadhguru calls this solace seeking, but its not a solution, like a band aid, it comes off soon after it is put on as wear and tear will make that so..

I think these types serve a purpose though, some are just not ready for the real work, the sadhana needed, so they go to where they fit in.. but I want to know what methods do they share other than talking and writing? Its like Eckhart Tolle, he was my first introduction to Spirituality, and he makes tons of sense imo regarding living now and ego issues and acceptance, but what method does he share other than intellectual ones? 

At least with Sadhguru he states that all the talking is circus, something he has to do to gain interest, but the real work in in the Sadhana, the Kriya's, the Asana work, and even the temples he built helps tremendously on levels we don't realize.. I can see the differences btwn the two sorts of ways, there are saints talking and writing, then there are Guru's doing it, living it, proving it works.. I guess I am a method sort of guy, got this from the martial arts I trained in I guess..

[Ramasta9]

Don't confuse non-dual speakers here, have the ear and patience of mind to listen deeply and read / feel between the lines. There is more to this that you seem to be missing because your minds are too active and reactive and already fixated on these ideas about these teachers / teachings.

Not all teachers are the same, and not all people who speak about non-duality, are proper teachers, they are just as confused as everyone else. Meanwhile everyone else here, is an expert, but in reality, most are deeply flawed.

Lets not bring Sadguru into this topic please. You don't have a single comment about your own life experience or wisdom, just pass on groundless knowledge from him. This is the very danger Osho spoke about with followers who blindly follow and don't know themselves deeply enough.

I don't wanna get started with that nonsense. This is the direct approach, not spiritual gymnastics and business schemes.

He is a ramble master, a spiritual businessman, a government puppet, a joke that many of us can see through.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

The idea behind the realization that the small self is an illusion is not about annihilation or trying to destroy the self, or the ego - it is simply about seeing through it for the illusion it is, to bring us closer to the unity behind all things. The awareness that becomes aware of itself. Awareness always remains. Thoughts, emotions, come and go - awareness doesn't. The infinity and therefore unity and holism at work behind duality that gives rise to experience without judgement. Differences still exist, but they are no longer felt as fundamentally separate.

'Seeing the illusion of the self' isn't that the self/ego doesn't exist at all, but that we mistake it for the whole picture without recognising what is really at play. The self remains, doing its job planning, protecting, navigating society, just without running the show unchecked. 

It is a fundamental misunderstanding to think this is bypassing.

[Joseph Maynor]

1 hour ago, Ramasta9 said:

Don't confuse non-dual speakers here, have the ear and patience of mind to listen deeply and read / feel between the lines. There is more to this that you seem to be missing because your minds are too active and reactive and already fixated on these ideas about these teachers / teachings.

Not all teachers are the same, and not all people who speak about non-duality, are proper teachers, they are just as confused as everyone else. Meanwhile everyone else here, is an expert, but in reality, most are deeply flawed.

Lets not bring Sadguru into this topic please. You don't have a single comment about your own life experience or wisdom, just pass on groundless knowledge from him. This is the very danger Osho spoke about with followers who blindly follow and don't know themselves deeply enough.

I don't wanna get started with that nonsense. This is the direct approach, not spiritual gymnastics and business schemes.

He is a ramble master, a spiritual businessman, a government puppet, a joke that many of us can see through.

I love this, but I'm curious as to why an active or reactive mind is seen as a problem or bad?  I see this come up a lot in these discussions here and elsewhere, and it seems to be sort of a measuring stick as to who is the most enlightened, and I'm not sure why this even matters.

[Ramasta9]

1 minute ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I love this, but I'm curious as to why an active or reactive mind is seen as a problem or bad?  I see this come up a lot in these discussions here and elsewhere, and it seems to be sort of a measuring stick as to who is the most enlightened, and I'm not sure why this even matters.

Not bad, but problematic maybe, because its running at extreme speeds, very overstimulated by our modern lifestyles, it 'misses' all the subtle cues and notions that are vital to catching the deeper message being presented by life and deeper teachers / teachings.

You will find, if you spend a week in a forest without any gadgets or stimulation devices, funks foods, music ect... that you will notice how the activity of the mind dramatically slows down, you pick up on things you could never pick up on before, because you were running too fast, there was too much "noise", drama, disturbance in the field, like a swarm of buzzing insects, so to speak.

Boiling water is a great zen analogy, when the mind is busy its like boiling water, challenging to see through and clearly, when its calm, its like still water, easy to see through, clear, clarity, ah-ha ! peace... space, serenity, understanding.

 

 

[Ramasta9]

36 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

The idea behind the realization that the small self is an illusion is not about annihilation or trying to destroy the self, or the ego - it is simply about seeing through it for the illusion it is, to bring us closer to the unity behind all things. The awareness that becomes aware of itself. Awareness always remains. Thoughts, emotions, come and go - awareness doesn't. The infinity and therefore unity and holism at work behind duality that gives rise to experience without judgement. Differences still exist, but they are no longer felt as fundamentally separate.

'Seeing the illusion of the self' isn't that the self/ego doesn't exist at all, but that we mistake it for the whole picture without recognising what is really at play. The self remains, doing its job planning, protecting, navigating society, just without running the show unchecked. 

It is a fundamental misunderstanding to think this is bypassing.

This is brilliant, write a book, you express and explain things very well. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Ramasta9 Thank you

I do journal a lot but with with pen/paper. Maybe one day when I have some more material I can express with clarity!

I see many people really confused by 'no self' and nonduality thinking it is bypassing. When in truth, it is more in touch, connected and soulful than many understand. But I think you know this, as you have experience with seeing many users lost in confusion and bypassing.

Thanks for the video shares - I watched them last night with my poodle sleeping in my lap, after a hard day at work. My houseplants dotting the loungeroom, happy and blooming better than any season I have seen them go through 

[Joseph Maynor]

16 minutes ago, Ramasta9 said:

Not bad, but problematic maybe, because its running at extreme speeds, very overstimulated by our modern lifestyles, it 'misses' all the subtle cues and notions that are vital to catching the deeper message being presented by life and deeper teachers / teachings.

You will find, if you spend a week in a forest without any gadgets or stimulation devices, funks foods, music ect... that you will notice how the activity of the mind dramatically slows down, you pick up on things you could never pick up on before, because you were running too fast, there was too much "noise", drama, disturbance in the field, like a swarm of buzzing insects, so to speak.

Boiling water is a great zen analogy, when the mind is busy its like boiling water, challenging to see through and clearly, when its calm, its like still water, easy to see through, clear, clarity, ah-ha ! peace... space, serenity, understanding.

 

 

It seems to me that you're searching for grounding mostly in your current work.