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I want to be A Pro Musician! Leo wants to be "THE MESSIAH"! you can tell, that is trying his absolute best to be the walking reincarnation of god. And he really is the messiah, everyone says he is a cult leader, and that's backwards, the people who say he is a cult leader are the actual cult leaders, and Leo Gura is the actual second coming of the messiah. Leo is one of the few influencers who isn't a cult leader, he actually cares about his people.

Is it gonna be OK at the end ? What's God's most merciful and loving reward that he chose for us ? I'm trying to believe that there is heaven and hell after death . Not reincarnation. If we do good and follow our heart we shall enter paradise in the afterlife but if we be sinful and evil people we shall burn ? for eternity in hell. But I would like to believe that God's mercy is total .he is infinitely good and loving .eventually, even the sinful people will enter heaven . That the final destination awaiting all of God's creation is infinite goodness. Forever .

@Someone here so what you're saying is, instead of finding the truth within ourselves, we should believe what other people tell us, information that has been manipulated and changed over generations. Maybe we're all just an experiment, maybe god as we know it is evil and satan is good... I'm not trying to prove to you that reincarnation is the real deal. I'm just giving you an idea to view the bigger picture. Let's look from a perspective if this entire discussion is dumb. i mean, reincarnation, heaven and hell don't actually exist, What is the purpose of us living and would you believe it? Would you believe it if you knew what your existence is for and how you became so informed having specific talents? Bodies of info performing such miracles are made up of particles. In this existence, will you stay persistent and make a difference in the world you're living in, or be manipulated by time-based prophecies that kept us from living in the moment? But then again, books like the Bible, Quran, Mahabharata... ect are guides to human beings, or else we'd be lost... is what most people say... maybe its a tool to manipulate human beings to reap money... the rich will get richer and the poor poorer. so live simple life so the poor can simply live... that my friend is the best way to be drenched in goodness without even mentioning god's name

@brun0 @Preety_India whether reincarnation or not...it doesn't matter the Details. The main idea of this thread that all of God's creation will eventually bask and drown in God's heavenly goodness forever.

There's real evidence for reincarnation.

how about you take a look from the reincarnation perspective, if you're sinful, you'd be reborn, again, here, on earth, or we call it hell. Once our debts are settled and no sin in our pockets, we are free to choose to ascend to heaven/or back to our home planet or go back to hell... why back to hell you ask? cause its fun.. or to guide a loved one to enlightenment at the risk of attaining more sins why reincarnation is more believable than the concept of heaven and hell shown by the media? Hell = earth Heaven = so many clouds, so cloudy it clouds our judgment, i guess, one way to find out is to die, but with conditions, you've got to be free of pain, desires, and what not ;p but then again, I'm just another human saying stuff ;p

@Leo Gura @Someone here Yes, ofcourse God cant die. But what you are not understanding is I am talking about end of this dream which I am dreaming in present moment. You can be more clear leo. We need answers . I watched your solipsim video. It was your best work. It lead me to realizing I am all alone. but your wordplay confuses me. You are not giving answer to the question what will happen after imaginery death of this dream. do you even believe in reincarnation?

It is just one way of looking at our situation. Of course there are entities that feed on our negative karma, and would rather we stay stuck in the same loops as they have created for themselves, but this does not suppose that the entire universe is a trap. It only supposes that it can be made to believe that it is such. This sets up a good that has to be countered by an evil. It is not far off from any other dogma or materialist belief system that limits reality to a fight against everything that isn't the ego. Since we are God, reincarnation and karma is actually self-imposed on our soul so that we may experience what we desire to experience and move on. Anything that feels negative is not, in essence, the truth. It is merely the reflection of our collective struggle.

Do you have the feeling that we live in a simulation? A lot of spiritual teachers talk about the theory of the holographic/simulated reality like in the movie Matrix, as if the world ended time ago and we are living a recreated world run by AI. it's very depressing the possibility, but I found a worse theory that combines the matrix+the human farm, where's there is no spiritual liberation because we are forced to reincarnate with traps that other entities create to feed from our psychic energy. There's a guy from reddit that explains with lots of proofs the mechanincs of the holographic human farm: https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapingPrisonPlanet/comments/pyijav/ive_researched_the_afterlife_for_nearly_10_years/?utm_term=1569626167&utm_medium=post_embed&utm_source=embed&utm_name=&utm_content=header (Please, take the time to read it with open mindedness before making judgements). it has a lot of sense, for example the divinities, family members, or spiritual leaders that people see after death are different according religion, beliefs, culture... so the matrix make a customized recreation to scam the soul into more reincarnation cycles.

So this week's questions are: 1. People say that Karma exists. I think that Karma cannot be fair without reincarnation existing, because it's just a fact that when things go wrong and you experience injustices for no reason early in your life, you don't deserve it, and the people that do the injustices, they basically get away with it and then tell you that you got it because you deserved it and you choose it, etc. So Karma is is not some universal law that gives justice if there is only one life. Joseph Campbell said that it is not good to believe in reincarnation. The spiral dynamics book also that things can go wrong when purple believes in reincarnation, or red. But it won't hurt if I believed in it. Can you somehow show me the proof? If I do not exist, if I exist as an infinite number of possibilities and forms that get actualized or not, how can I get reincarnated? What am I? OR What is the ''I'' that gets reincarnated? The only way Karma could exist without reincarnation and bring justice is if we were all one and when someone else does something wrong and Karma punishes someone other than that person, then it's actually just punishing that person. So does reincarnation exist and how can I validate it? Don't tell me to die. 2. God exists or God doesn't exist. Does God exist as a powerful and omnipotent being who is aware of everything, does he have a form and a personality like Zews or Jesus or Shiva? Or is God just infinite energy, a dream like enrgy that really doesn't exist? Because the world exists, and it is either a dream, or it is a real place with God who is in the form of a conscious being or just dream like, magical energy that is like the mind in the brain. The mind is not in the brain though. 3. What is the world going to be like in 3000 years?

The idea of the human soul has fascinated humankind for thousands of years. Cultures around the world have sought to explain the soul or spirit in a wide and fascinating variety of ways. The soul is often an important aspect of religion and is closely tied to the afterlife, reincarnation, and spiritual realms . This means the concept of the soul is integral to many belief systems and that in many cases the descriptions and explanations of the soul are lengthy and complex. For the religious and non-religious alike the soul remains a symbol of self, and the idea of wagering or losing one’s soul has been used as a plotline in stories such as Faustus for generations. In some cultures, such as head-hunting tribes in Indonesia, taking the part of the body believed to house the soul from an enemy is the greatest prize – simultaneously denying their foe the chance to move on to an afterlife and stealing the power of the soul to strengthen their own tribe or family. Ancient Egyptians had their own complex ideas about what makes up the human soul, and their beliefs involved dividing the soul into nine parts: Khat, Ba, Ren, Ka, Shuyet, Jb, Akh, Sahu, and Sechem. Eight of these were immortal and passed into the afterlife and the ninth was the physical body which was left behind. The parts all had their own unique functions, and by analyzing these it is possible to understand more about what the ancient Egyptians believed. Khat or Kha – The Body Ancient Egyptians believed the physical form itself was a part of the human soul and called this element the Khat or Kha. It was the vessel inhabited by the rest of the soul on Earth. This is part of the reason mummification became so important to ancient Egyptians – preserving the physical body was actually preserving an important part of the soul. After a person had died, offerings would still be made to the soul at their physical body because it was believed the rest of their soul could supernaturally absorb the benefits and nutrients from the offerings. The body was a link to the essence of the person who had once inhabited it – a concept which is seen in many other interpretations of the soul. Ba – The Personality The Ba is perhaps the closest the ancient Egyptians had to the modern ideas about the soul. It made up all the elements of a person that made them unique. Taking the form of a bird with a human head, the Ba was the way the soul could move between the mortal realm and the spiritual one. The Egyptians believed the Ba still traveled between both realms occasionally while a person was still alive, but that the journey the Ba made between worlds increased significantly after death. The Ba would visit the gods and the spiritual realm , but it was this part of the soul which would also frequent the places a person loved when they were still alive, maintaining a link between the parts of the soul which dwelled among the stars and the Khat and other elements of the soul which had remained on Earth. The idea that the Ba would spend time in places a person loved during life is also similar to some modern ideas about ghosts and spirits lingering at a place once loved by a particular person when they were alive. The Ba was also believed to be connected physically to the body and it would remain with the Khat when it was not visiting other physical places or communing with the gods.

People are too distracted, and too occupied to wonder metaphysically. You need to be at a certain level of maturity to even start wondering, but that won't even occur until you are unoccupied enough. Then there's additional effort to keep the wondering going. Without some sort of ulterior egoic motive, without a community, and without Guru's feeding us insights, many of us wouldn't even be here. It's not that most are dumb and that there are some rare curious individuals, most of the time one of the 'dumb' people were just at the right place at the right time, luck, or fate? If you make the case that some start out spiritually gifted, it could be anything from reincarnation to genes. If you believe it's genes then there is really nothing to attribute to the individual, it's just a privilege. If you believe in souls and reincarnation then it's not that these souls are rare and exceptional, they were dumb too, they just reincarnated enough times to learn their lessons and come further along the path. This paradigm of 'rare individuals' can be harmful in that one can start calling others dumb, blaming them. When really it's not anyone's fault. Either it's that some are lucky, or that they are just further along the path, or maybe some other paradigm. In any case, there is no reason to judge, because there never is. There must be empathy, for those who weren't lucky, or aren't far enough in their path, specially from someone who wonders about these things. And the empathy shouldn't be from a place of higher judgement but a place of recognition of the sameness that is each one of us. Maybe you are attached to spirituality and metaphysical curiosity, hence why you want to see it in others.

@Someone here When mind = world, it does not matter if the body breathes or not. The body is inside my mind, just like anything else. So even if the body started to rotten, I'd still be awake. I just don't know how the world would change after that (reincarnation or whatever). To answer that I have to trip more times.

It's much much much more broader than that I'd say. First off, every incarnation and reincarnation is of purpose and intent. If by any chance you reincarnate in South Africa, it won't be because of an issue with your current ancestral family tree, it would be because you have to, as in this is what your soul now needs. Not because of a numbers issue or anything like that. So rest in knowing that this incarnation, and whichever else to come, is a purposeful one. If you inherit an illness of some sort, it is all in place of a purpose. Another thing is, I wouldn't worry too much on the continuity of a bloodline. I mean you should have kids because you absolutely want to and feel that there would be value in the experience of being a father. Otherwise you're doing it for all the wrong reasons. Absolutely anything and everything you do in this world, you do for yourself. Never get that twisted, it only creates room for chaos.

It seems that we need some sort of way to do more creative stuff. Many jobs lack creativity completely and are not necessary. There is much work done to just keep jobs in place. This is a mistake. I don't know how society would change from the way it is now to a different way. It could start with being more honest about things. If there was more funding for artistic work and more effort put into that than say insurance policies, war, fast food, soda, chocolate, There definitely seems to be a great shift towards wanting to be more creative and less of doing things that are repetitive, mundane, etc. There are majors in the arts. The career path seems less defined. Movies, music, books, and art can all be downloaded for free and so there is the concern that one will not make any money from it. We kinda have to move away from a money society? Move away from money and people may do what they want and there will be more incentive to be efficient rather than to have excesses. Maybe one needs to study people, government, economics, values to determine how to shift society for more creative, holistic endeavors?? My peer had said that we should still care about the consciousness of society because of the people who come after. I was saying that, oh we and everyone will die so it doesn't matter. My peer does bring up a good point. If you look at schools, the material kinda stays the same year after year. It hasn't really changed. There could be potential for more change with how schools function and evolve rather than being rigid. Maybe we need to move away from working 40 hours a week to only a few and the rest on creative endeavors?? ... The virtual world starts to feel imaginary. it is so cut off from this one that it is like we aren't alive and we are tricking ourselves. We get so used to the virtual world that we forget what it feels like to be in this one. It can be hard to talk to someone who keeps on telling you how to live your life. Maybe there is stuff to learn though still with those interactions such as why they are giving the advice and if they are right or if they are projecting one of their issues onto you. Living in a group where you are forced to marry someone you don't know could be a really hard life to have.. Freedom of choice is a weird thing where sometimes it is good to take it away and sometimes it is not good. When we waste time talking about food and movies instead of what the problem is, we are just delaying our healing process. The ability to stay focused and on task can make quite a difference and the ability to know what that looks like can make a difference too. The problem with reincarnation is that it then makes the desire of constant comparison of you to others to see who is more wise and who you haven't lived as yet. It can be hard to say one person or activity is more conscious than another. What determines what body that you wake up into next and why would people assume that the body would be on Earth when there are potentially other bodies on other planets? Or you could wake up into a universe that you wouldn't be able to visit in this one. And what would be more conscious and how would you tell? Based on unity?

Do you relate this to reincarnation where one would live the life in one field/perspective/body and then die and wake up in another field operating from a different "body"? If that was the case, what determines what body is jumped into next? And do you think that we would keep on getting "wiser" and "wiser" from one body to the next body? (One issue with this is then the constant comparison of self to other to try to figure out who is wiser to try to figure out which body one has already lived in and which one has not... and then what it even means to be "wiser") Do you see it as god dreaming from every body at the same time (like all the people/bugs/animals/aliens/bacteria/whatever) or in one body at a time (person A, then person B, then person C)? What was it that got you to have the idea that when we die we just go back to sleep and dream again with a different field/body/perspective/experience? Why not die and then never wake up again - like a lightbulb that goes out? We could wake up into a dream/universe that we cannot visit/access in this present dream/universe kinda like how your awake life seems to not be able to visit your asleep life and vice versa, although they could have similarities.

"it seems that life evolves, learns from itself, trial and error. and his favorite tool to encourage himself is suffering" ... Part of me is like - what if reincarnation is real and we just reincarnate to become more and more conscious each time. So our teachers who teach us who are more conscious than us we will reincarnate to. But how would that be possible? The weird part about reincarnation is then.. well where do I land on the spectrum/order? How am I to know what lives I have already lived and what lives are to come? All I can think of is that those who are more wise than us are to come after us and those that are less wise than us we have already lived as - well that just makes sense to me because if we are going from one life to another, I would think that we would be accumulating wisdom instead of dropping it. So then the insights that I have gained, I will then have in the next lives too... maybe. But this is all hypothetical. So then one may not necessarily go back to being an animal/bug/bacteria MAYBE because that may have less wisdom than would being a human.. Then one's main goal in life would be to get as much wisdom in life as possible and share as much of that as possible so that when on reincarnates into the next life, one will still have that wisdom with them.... But how do you really tell who is wiser than you though?

It really depends on which perspective you want to take. No perspective is true though. A perspective is just one way of slicing reality. On one level time doesn't exist, so any talk of simultaneity, or not, makes no sense. With no time, nothing is happening at all. But that perspective is too mindfucky to work with sensibly. Reincarnation or ideas of living the life of everyone eventually are out. Another perspective is that consciousness cannot be counted. Stuff inside consciousness can be counted, because consciousness has the property of being divisible. But consciousness itself is unindividuated (a.k.a. non-dual), it doesn't belong to a me or to a you, we all belong to consciousness. Ideas of there being only one consciousness don't make sense either, because there is nothing beyond consciousness - counting requires comparison. But the real consequence is that there can't be a me and a you, we are figments of some divine imagination: divisions within a timeless consciousness.

These things are also something you as God are imagining. Including things like reincarnation. It is irrelevant to focus on this. You are God now and this is your dream now. Everything else is imaginary. What you are doing is very subtley still clinging to the idea that others exist. You are still clinging to this. And this is totally expected and normal for the ego. You want it to be true that there are other points of view happening now separate from you occurring simultaneously. But I'm here to tell you that absolutely ALL separation is something you as Infinite Mind are imagining or creating

At the highest level of consciousness even reincarnation is imaginary because you are imagining the past and the future. At the highest level of consciousness death simply never occurs, so reincarnation becomes moot.

How and where to find your soul, if you want answers into reincarnation you first need to tap into this, as this is the spark that holds the memories of all of your past lives, it also holds within it your divine plan, what you came here for, and other direct truths. If you can't access your soul, then you'll have a harder time having authentic awakening experiences, you won't be able to determine what is of the ego and what is divine within you. I recommend Aurobindo's work if you want to integrate stage turquoise and above. His work can guide you to your own, personalized divine insight. You will be given, through the divine knowledge that your soul carries within it, everything you need to know. You get a personalized puzzle that has different keys, or pieces to make up the whole thing - then when you "get it" the picture makes sense. We not only get different puzzles, but the path towards collecting these parts is unique to you. So if you are asking any questions about spirituality, the best thing to do is to learn how to access this time and time again, and to listen to it when it speaks to you. No one can really give you an answer, either yes or no, you have to uncover it for yourself and let it tell you what it knows - a download right into the heart. Meditation is the best way to quiet the mind to hear the voice of the soul - and it will be as though a voice emanating from your heart-region, flowing outwards into the physical world, speaks to you - and you and your environment often become one in this state, as everything that you see, feel, hear and touch is part of your soul's "bubble". We are all cocreators and we make this reality together.

To me reincarnation is the only logical thing that CAN be. Our whole existence, the Universe... is energy flowing in and out of itself for all eternity. Energy can't be destroyed, it always IS. So how could it be that I exist only once in the whole of eternity and never again? It's not logical. I must have been "here" a trillion times before, in whatever shape and form, and by that logic, I will be "here" a trillion times more. It's a ride that never ends. It cannot stop existing. So it must go on forever.

I'm not claiming that reincarnation and past lives are absolutely true, but after God-realization I got insight into the full history of my soul and it was extremely helpful in a relative way. It's just as helpful as we learn about human history on this planet etc…

If I am dreaming every perspective at separate times, how does dream order work of what comes before/after what? Why can't I reveal stuff from other dreams to my current dream? So instead of it being the person in the bed dreaming the dream, it is nothingness dreaming it; and likewise, nothingness is dreaming being awake. I was previously thinking it was the russian doll method where we have daydreams but the daydreams aren't aware of us and God has daydreams of us but we aren't aware of God - and that God could be experiencing all dreams/perspectives at the same time. So the reason one can access awakening without using psychedelics is because they have to be aware of when they are meditating when they go into a daydream and then come out of it and see it does not match the current surroundings and then because everything seen externally comes from internal, that too is imagined like a daydream as well and then note the nothingness of how the daydream doesn't exist physically other than as imagination. If one is so focused on exploring the dream, they may overlook the dream and inside/outside head concept. How would one ever experience omnipresence/God/full consciousness if one is dreaming from a limited perspective? The scientific idea of evolution no longer makes any sense - the idea that life came from replicating self mRNA and eventually evolved to all these organisms. I don't know how other stuff would be able to dream in the same way humans/cats/lizards can. So then, "it came to me in a dream" is kinda like one dream being able to talk to another... And people's notion of "reincarnation" is kinda like where you go from dreaming from one perspective to another - but yet you are still the imaginary nothingness. A peer said that near death experiencers experienced being the galaxies but that doesn't necessarily make sense unless the russian doll method applies or I am still thinking about it wrong. So then technically "god" doesn't have to dream out the main character in every perspective either necessarily.

I understand what he is saying. I was actually going to respond to your earlier post. As we have said before, and you can become directly conscious of this believe it or not (actually don't believe it) that you stand alone as God. You are One. You are not really human you are Actuality or Infinity. You are right now. The past and future are imaginary, your thoughts right now are imaginary, they are you as God dreaming. All of that can dissolve and you can become pure Actuality or pure "right now" notice you can say "right now" and the moment is gone. So you say "right now, right now, right now" and you can keep going on like that because you can't capture the present moment. Why? Because you are Being it!! You ARE it. So when you realize this directly by Being it you will awaken. And you will realize that you are God dreaming. And that this was a dream. That reincarnation is your dream. That time is your dream. That space is your dream. That there is only Being. Imagining you will be other perspectives one at a time is more of you dreaming. (Because time is no different than space, a dimension within this dream). It has no existence outside of you Imagining it right now. That you are being others now simultaneously is also your dream.