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Well the whole problem is you are a blend of everything. Just because you act blue in one regard today doesn't mean you are Absolutely blue. You may have become a mystic which is part of what Turquoise is as I understand it. So if he has awakened he now has a foot in turquoise. But the model bases what you are by the level of your mind's development. The issue is you may act a certain way even though your mind may know better or is more developed. In other words you are not demonstrating tier 2 qualities even though you know what tier 2 should do. Does this make you tier 1? Maybe. But whose to say tier 2 needs to act like tier 2? You see The model starts to break down because it deals in Absolutes when the world of form is 100 percent relative. There are no Absolutes. So when you see this SD crumbles.

The "I" experienced separateness. You haven't awakened to the realization that you are the cosmos yet, it is still speculative... You could ask ChatGPT to roleplay a philosopher and challenge you to why that is.. there are some mental tangles you have untangled yet

I dont get on here much. I was inspired many moons ago in 2007 when I read a comment "If you dont know RSD, you dont know shit" Anyone who is anyone has probably came from Eben Well I found Real Social Dynamics underground cult like a fightclub where I went virgin to dozens of women I had met and seduced. I got into personal development learning more authenticity, natural game - and found philosophy and Tolle. Wilber fucked me up, and I always felt like his ideas represented the pinnacle of human knowledge -- really, I feel like Leo has carried on the torch of the previous era like none have, with such an amazing breadth and depth of knowledge here. The guys who inspired Leo Gura started the era of self-development information-explosion that people are now born into. Are you able to see that we stand on the shoulder's of giants, and there is a giant call for visionary leaders and holistic-thinkers to wake people up to become at least critical-thinking, and hopefully empathic and systems-thinking? BUT IF WE ARE REALLY TALKING - HOW COME EVERYBODY IS STILL SLEEPING?? I believe truth is transcendence, and we must radically inspire a new era of self-transforming human beings. The Future Era Is Now Seriously, what is everybody doing like ChatGPT Mastermind? Self-Transformation Mastermind? How are we organizing? How do we change the world? Is anyone interested - I'm working on a book/course The Integrative Pathway: Unlocking Human Potential Through Holistic Transformation - working on making it holistic at every level. Created a 26 Aspects of Human Potential framework... still doing a lot of research, have many practices id like to check out. Lets maximize our evolutionary potential Leo told me I had not awakened before. I dont believe we can't co-create some ultimate guides to human transformation and be the seeds of a new level of human emergence. Welcome to a different perspective.

Once one is awakened, does everything lack purpose and actual intention? Does purpose become anything one wants to see? Does purpose become fluid; without purpose? Does purpose lack purpose once awakened?

I'm not awakened to the point where I can judge whether solipsism is correct or not, but allow me to put in my own input. The title of this post is "I don't believe in solipsism". You're not supposed to believe in anything, rather, verify it yourself.

Thank you, that’s actually a stage tier 2 thinking. Very smart and very well placed. Thank you for sharing such deep thinking video. I see comments and still people react negatively, at this point it’s just a personal bias against Israel and nothing else. They will only be happy once Israel will be gone. But thanks God we are her to stay and unfortunately for everyone else, they would have to make more of those threads and wine and complain and etc. For all of you who claim to be awakened, switch to more profound topics and connecting with a divinity, this political bias nonsense wil only drag you down to very primitive development and will not let your mind expand.

yes, the thing is my view of why the limit is there is because there is no clarity yet of what is my reality, I don´t know about you guys because everyone is so convinced of who he is, god, infinity, reality, etc... whatever, me i am not so clear, lets say my utter most core is still confused. There is no issue in having a body, problem is when you don´t see beyond the body or the mind. For example, if you go to the cinema because you want, you are there because is your will. But if you go to the cinema unwillfully, lets say you are 12 years old and your parents force you, then you are in that same place unwillfully, then is a tragedy. The place does not change, but is wheter you are there on your own will or not that changes how the experience is. So basically the same is with the body, if you have body but you can 100% leave when you want, then if you stay in the body is a pleasure, because you choose to stay. But when you can´t leave, you are there forced, then is miserable. So the problem is not the body, the problem is your consciousness. If your consciousness is not free to choose, you are stucked, you are not just choosing to stay, you are there because you can´t help it. This is not what i call an Awakened Spirit. This is an entangled spirit. So what Im talking about is just going from entanglement of identifications to Freedom. If when you hit freedom you still want to wear some clothes that´s fine. But when you have clothes just because they are sticked to you, then obviously you have a problem. @Lyubov

Some more spiritual channels Universe within https://youtu.be/s2l4vEBlTCM?si=f3whPdUcY1EvOCLn Awakened spirit https://youtu.be/K8WMmoHtGc0?si=N7kx7ayGqpEM0ubK Wisdom Dream https://youtu.be/416U69oyBx0?si=PEMTZHhRfr0qC2B2 Health Thyself https://youtu.be/N8L8pKSqeFQ?si=pWL4VT_Vy-Zy3WWy INSIGHTFUL MASTER https://youtu.be/BlshvUuyTow?si=V3kdyieMvTTsVw0Z Link me life https://youtu.be/JVVMnnVueus?si=465caYyTEwN5e7_E Galactic Guidance https://youtu.be/bVuP1xMfRuE?si=AfkokTFy1BKxIJsM The Awakened Manifest Mystique https://youtu.be/Z0Ez0EYQ6yI?si=-3aL6zgvikz4_x7j Sleepingontrees https://youtu.be/tOxNeQFxLSs?si=xWgbjbqTY6DgN_rs Ego podcast Buddhism https://youtu.be/ZPz_d4UGQ9A?si=LZTjE3I-QEkWaAkE Dhyaanguru Dr Nipun Aggarwal Vipassana with Khalid https://youtu.be/k6lwU_Uwpzo?si=mM2BD33b3S_Iija1 A joyful mind https://youtu.be/r3neFV38TJQ?si=CjRoDACJYEmO7t_w Ethereal wisdom https://youtu.be/p9djspmGH5g?si=r3xelroq96jrEk9D AwakenPurpose https://youtu.be/EvNTLLODXzA?si=sQgLYKfkk2Pt-Rxv Awaken Together https://youtu.be/dopCbrcxHFY?si=icpQvajoNq2_fcfq Subconscious Servant https://youtu.be/yJ-BwcCTzuM?si=_V3ujL63rPnGMJaN Jules https://youtu.be/I22EJCWWb6w?si=d7tQRu9Di6lyvG17 Cipheron https://youtu.be/QOHakBTnphM?si=R8PlVvOXOuXwOF5y Elevate within https://youtu.be/0Cu4O-gKIso?si=7xyaQzD56PJVqtEe God's message today https://youtu.be/WbsmB6_EamU?si=x3dKUJjydPThrrpG Wisdom Quest https://youtu.be/VCW0-9jfQ3Y?si=Fv-CsNujBErUzx0l Wise Minds https://youtu.be/9gOpn_iiJqE?si=NwW50tjFDVfl1YA9 Celestra https://youtu.be/nFZY2qEAfAs?si=VUtQzq67xsY5ujvt Soul Awakenings https://youtu.be/XUWWQY4ixSk?si=nvIuptRjb9l3u-YQ

Oh boy. This is it. Everything. Imagination. Including Alan Watts. Including me as a person. Including you as a person. Including "being asleep" -- including "being awake". Death. Life. Two sides of the same coin. Ultimately, no difference. Only the difference YOU imagine there is (as God). Everything. Imagination. Nothing. Real. Unreal. Real. Everything. Nowhere to get to. Everywhere to get to. Sing. Dance. Play. Enjoy. Live. Let go. Love. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I have lived on the lip of insanity, wanting to know reasons, knocking on a door ... It opens - I've been knocking from the inside!" --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just like a meteor falling down from the sky and destroying your living room is: - not your doing, - nothing to do with you, - out of your control, - not your own free choice, likewise is "insert-your-name" (with your body and with all your 'problems', inclinations, thoughts, feelings etc.) that coincidentally was born out of your mother's stomach (and ruined 'your peace')...: - not your doing, - noting to do with you, - out of your control, - not your own free choice. ((( However, one could also turn the above completely on its head and say that the metor impact WAS/IS my doing, and that my birth into (= out of) this world likewise WAS/IS a free choice that *I* took ☯️ ☯️ ☯️ ))) But if the above is true what are 'you' then? 'What am I?' I/You are That/He/She which dreams , imagines: - that a meteor (perhaps) fell down and ruined your house ?? - that "insert-your-name" was born and is currently xx years old, has an ugly/nice/normal/abnormal body, study/work with yyy and has zzz problems, hhh thoughts & worries & regrets, fff inclinations, sss dreams. And what IS 'that' ??? I don't know. No one does. Because it cannot be known - as in "traditional knowledge" can be known. It can only be. You are IT - already! Always. One can never not be 'IT'; the only (imagined) difference is whether you're aware of 'IT' or not. Consciousness. You could call it God, Love, The Eternal Dreamer, The Dao, The Absolute, Infinity, Eternity, Nothingness, Everythingness, Consciousness, Spaghetthi-Monster... In some way, it really doesn't matter what we call/name 'Reality', since <words/thoughts/logic/concepts/rationality> naturally never can contain IT. Sometimes it may even be wise to not try to call it anything! What is Reality? THIS: ................ *smashing a gong* ... and we won't give it a name! Can you bite your own teeth? Can eyes looking out ever see from where they are looking? Can a fist grasp itself? What a caterpillar calls the end of the world -- we call a butterfly! Luckily we got music, dancing, embodiment/physical activites, sex (tantra), meditation, breathwork, psychedelics, art .... that can in a much better way can contain ("show us") 'IT' than words/thoughts/science/logic/conceptualizing can! THIS IS IT! THIS. HELLO! YES. THIS. NO - NOT THAT. THIS! HA HA HA <3 <3 <3 The finger pointing to the moon ..... is NOT the moon. You cannot eat the menu! The map is not the terrotity. It is a SILLY idea to try to live life in your head all the time! (It can be very good and fine to think and reflect and contemplate a lot -- but you have to be practical about life too!) Form, emptiness. Emptiness, form. Life, death. Death, life. Good, bad. Evil, Good. Implicit, explicit. Outer, inner. Internal, external. External, internal. Physical, mental. Mental, physical. Material world, Consciousness. Consciousness, the outside world. Being, Nothingness. Nothingness, Everything. Up, down. Down, up. Worse, better. Better, worse. Self, other. Other, self. Free will, determined/controlled. Determined, free. Illusion, real. Real, dream. The real unreal --- The unreal real. Form is Emptiness --- Emptiness is Form. Hell, Heaven. Both here. Now. What you see is solely determined by 'the inner game'; that is: how you look at the world; from where? From which point of view? Which perspective? Believe in the story that gives you most inner joy. Anything else is a form of silly autism. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The world -- existence, life -- will never be good unless you are willing to see its goodness. What you experience depends on how you look at things. When you look with judgement -- either upon yourself, the world or both -- life seems twisted and empty. When you begin to look with an open heart and mind, life becomes fascinating and full of both meaning and mystery. When you realize the perfection, intelligence and beauty of everything in existence precisely as it is (without the filters of ego; yes, drop them - let go!), you see that every outcome is a good one. You start to live life fully without fear and regret. You learn and move on. When you look with love instead of judgement, you see a whole different world. Life isn't easy all the time. You're not alone. For there to be joy, there has to be some pain. So instead of looking at the painful life-phases that you're undergoing as "bad", look at them as absolutely necessary and beneficial in the long run for your own growth and eventual happiness. Remember, nothing lasts forever, everything passes away at some point. 0. Knowledge is but a rumor until it lives in the body/bones. 1. Reality is non-dual. Non-duality means: Not one, not two. The question is: do you get it or not? For example, let's take the extreme duality: good - bad . Obviously complete opposites. Right? Well, not so fast. "Apply non-duality to it": Reality is not: bad Reality is not: good (either) Reality is not: "good AND bad" (paradox). Reality is: ________________ (Or you 'could' say: "bad-good"). 2. To let go of power is to gain power. 3. To let go of control is to gain control. Life is about all the contrasts! As a wise man said: - The heavenly highs, one is capable of reaching, are directly proportional with the unknown depths, one has the courage to dive down into. - The apparent seperation / division / fragmentation, paradoxes, opposites ... only exist in the divided mind, based on subject-object-relations ... ((( that is how the illusionary, separate self -- the ego -- survives; or we could say that 'opposites/duality creates the illusion of ego'; a kind of 'strange loop' that is almost impossible to 'get out of' (impossible because 1. it is imaginary, 2. you imagined it yourself and deep down want to stay in it, 3. in a sense there is nothing to get out of; you *trying* to get out (becoming awakened / enlightened) is what keeps you in 'it' (= asleep, ego) ... - It is "possible" though, just like it is possible for a larva through 'rebirth' to become a butterfly; the larva is in a beautiful away ALREADY the butterfluy, just like an acorn contains the whole tree ... ))) ... - but from the Level of Unity (The Heavenly Self's Consciousness; God's point-of-view) all these 'apparent' opposites/paradoxes -- all fragmentation, division, seperation -- are dissolved & melted 'back into' what they truly are & have always been: Your Imagination - Oneness. One. Zero. Unity. Harmony. Oneness. Lila. Divine play. Game. Theater play. An Eternal Dance. Musical Music. The Bottomless Bottom. The Gateless Gate. The Ground of Being. The Groundless Ground. God. Unconditional Love. Nothingness. The Eternal Dao That Cannot Be Spoken. Buddha Nature. Christ Consciousness. Pure Awareness. Infinity. Source. The Absolute. Goodness with a capital G. Just Love. ☯️?????❤️?? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The difficulty in realizing this to be so is that conceptual thinking cannot grasp it. It is as if the eyes were trying to look at themselves directly, or as if one were trying to describe the color of a mirror in terms of colors reflected in the mirror. Just as sight is something more than all things seen, the foundation or "ground" of our existence and our awareness cannot be understood in terms of things that are known. We are forced, therefore, to speak of it through myth—that is, through special metaphors, analogies, and images which say what it is like as distinct from what it is. At one extreme of its meaning, "myth" is fable, falsehood, or superstition. But at another, "myth" is a useful and fruitful image by which we make sense of life in somewhat the same way that we can explain electrical forces by comparing them with the behavior of water or air. Yet "myth," in this second sense, is not to be taken literally just as electricity is not to be confused with air or water. Thus in using myth one must take care not to confuse image with fact, which would be like climbing up the signpost instead of following the road. Myth, then, is the form in which I try to answer when children ask me those fundamental metaphysical questions which come so readily to their minds: "Where did the world come from?" "Why did God make the world?" "Where was I before I was born?" "Where do people go when they die?" Again and again I have found that they seem to be satisfied with a simple and very ancient story, which goes something like this: <<< There was never a time when the world began, because it goes round and round like a circle, and there is no place on a circle where it begins. Look at my watch, which tells the time; it goes round, and so the world repeats itself again and again. But just as the hour-hand of the watch goes up to twelve and down to six, so, too, there is day and night, waking and sleeping, living and dying, summer and winter. You can't have any one of these without the other, because you wouldn't be able to know what black is unless you had seen it side-by-side with white, or white unless side-by-side with black. In the same way, there are times when the world is, and times when it isn't, for if the world went on and on without rest for ever and ever, it would get horribly tired of itself. It comes and it goes. Now you see it; now you don't. So because it doesn't get tired of itself, it always comes back again after it disappears. It's like your breath: it goes in and out, in and out, and if you try to hold it in all the time you feel terrible. It's also like the game of hide-and-seek, because it's always fun to find new ways of hiding, and to seek for someone who doesn't always hide in the same place. God also likes to play hide-and-seek, but because there is nothing outside God, he has no one but himself to play with. But he gets over this difficulty by pretending that he is not himself. This is his way of hiding from himself. He pretends that he is you and I and all the people in the world, all the animals, all the plants, all the rocks, and all the stars. In this way he has strange and wonderful adventures, some of which are terrible and frightening. But these are just like bad dreams, for when he wakes up they will disappear. Now when God plays hide and pretends that he is you and I, he does it so well that it takes him a long time to remember where and how he hid himself. But that's the whole fun of it—just what he wanted to do. He doesn't want to find himself too quickly, for that would spoil the game. That is why it is so difficult for you and me to find out that we are God in disguise, pretending not to be himself. But when the game has gone on long enough, all of us will wake up, stop pretending, and remember that we are all one single Self—the God who is all that there is and who lives for ever and ever. Of course, you must remember that God isn't shaped like a person. People have skins and there is always something outside our skins. If there weren't, we wouldn't know the difference between what is inside and outside our bodies. But God has no skin and no shape because there isn't any outside to him. [With a sufficiently intelligent child, I illustrate this with a Möbius strip—a ring of paper tape twisted once in such a way that it has only one side and one edge.] The inside and the outside of God are the same. And though I have been talking about God as 'he' and not 'she,' God isn't a man or a woman. I didn't say 'it' because we usually say 'it' for things that aren't alive. God is the Self of the world, but you can't see God for the same reason that, without a mirror, you can't see your own eyes, and you certainly can't bite your own teeth or look inside your head. Your self is that cleverly hidden because it is God hiding. You may ask why God sometimes hides in the form of horrible people, or pretends to be people who suffer great disease and pain. Remember, first, that he isn't really doing this to anyone but himself. Remember, too, that in almost all the stories you enjoy there have to be bad people as well as good people, for the thrill of the tale is to find out how the good people will get the better of the bad. It's the same as when we play cards. At the beginning of the game we shuffle them all into a mess, which is like the bad things in the world, but the point of the game is to put the mess into good order, and the one who does it best is the winner. Then we shuffle the cards once more and play again, and so it goes with the world. >>> This story, obviously mythical in form, is not given as a scientific description of the way things are. Based on the analogies of games and the drama, and using that much worn-out word "God" for the Player, the story claims only to be like the way things are. I use it just as astronomers use the image of inflating a black balloon with white spots on it for the galaxies, to explain the expanding universe. But to most children, and many adults, the myth is at once intelligible, simple, and fascinating." - Alan Watts, The Book on the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It is by going down into the abyss that we recover the treasures of life. Where you stumble, there lies your treasure. The very cave you are afraid to enter turns out to be the source of what you are looking for. The damned thing in the cave that was so dreaded has become the center. You find the jewel, and it draws you off. In loving the spiritual, you cannot despise the earthly." - J. Campbell. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- “This is IT! So you don’t need to do anything at all… It’s just the way it is. What’s required is a sort of act of super relaxation.. It’s not just letting go. It’s being with yourself as you are without altering anything.” ~ Alan Watts “When you look for your own mind, that is to say, your own particularized center of being which is separate from everything else, you won’t be able to find it. But the only way you’ll know it isn’t there is if you look for it hard enough, to find out that it isn’t there. And so everybody says ‘All right, know yourself, look within, find out who you are.’ Because the harder you look, you won’t be able to find it, and then you’ll realize it isn’t there at all. There isn’t a separate you. You’re mind is what there is. Everything. But the only way to find that out is to persist in the state of delusion as hard as possible…. So if a person believes that the Earth is flat, you can’t talk him out of that. He knows it’s flat. Look out the window and see; it’s obvious, it looks flat. So the only way to convince him it isn’t is to say ‘Well let’s go and find the edge.’ And in order to find the edge, you’ve got to be very careful not to walk in circles, you’ll never find it that way. So we’ve got to go consistently in a straight line due west along the same line of latitude, and eventually when we get back to where we started from, you’ve convinced the guy that the world is round. That’s the only way that will teach him. Because people can’t be talked out of illusions. There is another possibility, however. But this is more difficult to describe. Let’s say we take as the basic supposition–which is the thing that one sees in the experience of satori or awakening, or whatever you want to call it–that this now moment in which I’m talking and you’re listening, is eternity. That although we have somehow conned ourselves into the notion that this moment is ordinary, and that we may not feel very well, we’re sort of vaguely frustrated and worried and so on, and that it ought to be changed. This is IT! So you don’t need to do anything at all. But the difficulty about explaining that is that you mustn’t try and not do anything, because that’s doing something. It’s just the way it is. In other words, what’s required is a sort of act of super relaxation; it’s not ordinary relaxation. It’s not just letting go, as when you lie down on the floor and imagine that you’re heavy so you get into a state of muscular relaxation. It’s not like that. It’s being with yourself as you are without altering anything. And how to explain that? Because there’s nothing to explain. It is the way it is now. See? And if you understand that, it will automatically wake you up!” ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Life is not a problem to solve, but an experience to be had. However, sure - you can imagine all kinds of problems that "should" be solved (in order for you & the world ? to be at peace ?️), but that is just it: imagination, fantasy, a dramatic good movie, a theater play, a book, a game... play ???. Life is what you choose to experience. The ultimate meaning of life is very simple: it's life itself! Of course! But this is so obvious that almost no one seems to buy into it, and everyone runs around in great panic and try desperately to achieve something beyond themselves. There isn't anything wrong with trying to achieve something beyond oneself, as long as one remembers it's just a cute game. But of course: We should all strive to make it a good game, a good dream, a good book, a good play, a good film... with total redemption for all the dream-characters in the end ??❤️?. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- https://youtu.be/wU0PYcCsL6o There’s aren’t enough words to describe how powerful this video is for me. It’s in my iPod and every single morning before I lift I listen to this speech. It’s absolutely stunning. Inspirational. Motivating. It’s everything to me. I would like for you to watch it and tell me what you think. We all should dream big. Without going after our dream, we cannot possibly live our best life. It is there for a reason. It’s necessary that we follow it…not just an option: "If you awaken from this illusion and you understand that black implies white, self implies other, life implies death (or shall I say death implies life?), you can feel yourself – not as a stranger in the world, not as something here on probation, not as something that has arrived here by fluke - but you can begin to feel your own existence as absolutely fundamental. I am not trying to sell you on this idea in the sense of converting you to it, I want you to play with it. I want you to think of its possibilities, I am not trying to prove it. I am just putting it forward as a possibility of life to think about. So then, let’s suppose that you were able every night to dream any dream you wanted to dream, and that you could, for example, have the power within one night to dream 75 years of time, or any length of time you wanted to have. And you would, naturally, as you began on this adventure of dreams, you would fulfill all your wishes. You would have every kind of pleasure you could conceive. And after several nights of 75 years of total pleasure each you would say “Well that was pretty great. But now let’s have a surprise, let’s have a dream which isn’t under control, where something is gonna happen to me that I don’t know what it's gonna be." And you would dig that and would come out of that and you would say “Wow that was a close shave, wasn’t it?”. Then you would get more and more adventurous and you would make further- and further-out gambles what you would dream. And finally, you would dream where you are now. You would dream the dream of living the life that you are actually living today. That would be within the infinite multiplicity of choices you would have. Of playing that you weren't God, because the whole nature of the godhead, according to this idea, is to play that he is not. So in this idea then, everybody is fundamentally the ultimate reality, not God in a politically kingly sense, but god in the sense of being the self, the deep-down basic whatever there is. And you are all that, only you are pretending you are not." - Watts up, Alan? Love ya all <3

In that case if you were the "first Christ" then you would've done almost exactly what "Jesus" did in his first incarnation. And got killed for it as well to make himself known as a more awakened being (doing miracles.. resurrections..debating with other teachers, etc).

Whoever follows dogmas unquestionably, believes their morality is absolute and is awakened by just being part of a religion.

@Leo Gura I really enjoyed your post about the paradoxes of knowing social systems. You did a good job laying out the challenges with trade offs of know a system from the inside vs the outside, but I would like to know what solutions you’ve come up with to balancing those trade offs. Are you still contemplating? I am facing the same dilemma with a social system that I find relative survival value through participation, but have recently awakened to its foundations being entirely based on self deception and falsehoods, despite having survival value. No one in the system knows this, and probably has very little chance of seeing the system as a system. I’m one of the lucky ones having found Actualized.org to even be conscious of such mechanisms of human survival.

Osho was clearly awakened, just look at his eyes, the way he talks and his books. His book in Leo's booklist is amazing, one of the best in the subject of spirituality with many methods and explanations.

I once awakened after biting off a small piece of skin from my finger and thoughtlessly spitting it on the floor, treating it as nothing. ( It's disgusting , I know ) But then I looked at it - it started to glow in its greatness - and I picked it up with care, experiencing the holiest thing that can exist. The thing so sacred you don’t even dare to speak its name (if it had one). The thing that could kill you in a single moment, without any effort. I fell to my knees in awe, becoming one with it. I felt the utter loneliness, and it made me want to cry. I am still learning to love this loneliness. @Javfly33 I know you made a similar post recently, and mine is inspired by it. I'm wondering how you learned to love it and would love to hear from others with direct experience.

nobody is awake because there are not separate selves that could hold an awakened state like is a trophy... There is only consciousness dreaming up bodies and minds...depending on the state of evolution of that consciousness, it will conduce that body/mind more or less conscious. From an ant to a human...and beyond.

Not your average Jim that took ayahuasca a couple of times and now sells his psychedelic paintings on hippie conventions. But artists that have had a true, no BS, profound ever lasting awakening, and are often in the service of awakening others. On top of my head I know Daniel Schmidt, director and creator of the Samadhi, and Inner Worlds Outer Worlds documentary series which are excellent, and he also happens to be a very talented musician who composes all of the music present in his documentaries, and the music is fire.

@Someone here hi there Well, there is a point where I need to go to job and pay bills, awakened or not, that grounds me in material world quickly. But I see what are you aiming to, even tho, I just got some answers from "other" lol I will check that video again, thanks for the Suggestion! Honestly, I stopped chasing direct experiences since they are currently not aligned with my material life goals and make me highly nihilistic and lazy, so some chit chat about it is okay for me, even tho it doesn't address the issue directly.

Insight is deeper than you give it credit for. You are assuming you understand what insight is, which is not a safe assumption. Consciousnes is even more fundamental than insight, although insight is more fundamental the knowledge. Insight is an aspect of Awakening but not the whole of it. Awakened consciousness is the basis for the insight of awakening. Consciousness awakens first, then insight catches up, or it could work the other way too. Awakening comes with insight but it's the same as insight. How is anything possible?

@shree hello. This topic of solipsism is tricky . If haven't yet ..Watch Leo's deleted video on solipsism. You can find it on YouTube by typing "Actualized.org solipsism ". Especially the 2nd half of it where Leo addresses all the common tricky controversial questions regarding solipsism. What you have to understand is that as long as you still want clarity from "others who have experience " then you are by definition not awake to solipsism because who exactly are you asking for clarity here if there is no one but you ?! This is a trap to turn solipsism into a topic of negotiation and discuss it with "others ". Because the very heart of the issue here is knowing who "others " are . This is a trap I've fallen into plenty of times because I was delusional that I've awakened to solipsism when it was just a conceptual cool nihilistic philosophy to cope with the meaninglessness of existence and the human condition. It does you no good to discuss this topic in a forum . Sit down alone in a room and figure out ..who are "others "? Do not ask others who are others .that's putting the cart before the horse .

The world needs more conscious people to interact amongst it. Not to go in seclusion and stare at a wall or their hands. This is the purpose of true Spirituality. If it's at the core, and one has truly embodied their true nature and knows the truth of who they truly are and has awakened to that, there's no situation or circumstances that can rock that boat. You can be amongst people and shine from within and not be affected. In fact, your energy alone can make a positive impact on hundreds or thousands when emitted throughout. The most selfish thing one can do is to not share the love they feel inside with others who may need it. Hoarding your new found energy will only stagnate it and cause it to rust and become static. Go amongst people and shine from within. The Universe will eliminate for you those people who are not aligned with that energy and bring forth the ones that are. They are your mirror and will help you to see where you need to improve to be the next version of yourself. This is how you practice.

I wouldn't think of transcending suffering and becoming awakened to one's nature as necessarily the same pursuit. They may complement and empower each other, though. Other than that, if it is coming from some sort of real insight or breakthrough, then I'd say it is solid.

This, my friend, is probably the most, the best, the most true, the most enlightened, most awakened, most important, most profound, only statements needed, only thing need be known.....can't think of anything else..... that ever needs to be said and realized by everyone, everywhere, at all times in this spiritual quest for freedom and enlightenment and liberation. THAT'S IT!!! Everything else is just stories, dreams, illusions, projections, assumptions fantasies, thoughts, ideas and concepts. This what you've said here is the true essence of Spiritual "teachings" and the only thing need to be recognized as such. From this place, we can truly begin to live and appreciate this 3rd density for what it truly is and without identification of the Ego Mind Identity. It's really the only work that needs to be aimed for, everything else is purely just a means to an end to get you to this point of recognition. To anybody that's reading this, take those words from @gettoefland bookmark them and go back it to from time to time to help you remember them and to keep reminding yourself of your true nature and to not get attached to the world and your life circumstances but to see them as passing phenomenons and experiences that are not true Reflections of who you really are. It will truly benefit you in how you see yourself and the world and reduce the sufferings in the mind that is only seeking it's source which is you. It continues to look outward for something that can never be found outward; and this is why it suffers. The mind is what suffers, your true nature does not. There is no mind independent of you and it will always suffer in it's quest for peace and happiness. It is not designed to be happy, it is designed to seek; and it is seeking for something that doesn't exist. It itself is illusory and what is illusory cannot find what is not. The quest is endless and this is why nothing is ever enough.

Surprised there's not more Nolan love here, his movies took on a totally new meaning for me after learning about nonduality and metaphysics. If Nolan isn't an awakened person (I don't really know anything about him personally), his films at least act as conduits for those ideas. There's tons of metaphysical resonance in his films: The writing's clunky, but in Interstellar he's clearly talking about Love as the ultimate force behind everything. Plus the Tesseract and higher dimensional thinking. There's a huge theme in his films, including Interstellar, of our future selves helping us. Obviously Tenet touches that too. Tenet is basically a story of a guy who initially thinks he's a random person being swept up by incomprehensible events, to realizing that he's literally the protagonist of a story he was directing all along, from his subjective future. It's a story of awakening. There's a line in Oppenheimer that got me... "It is a new way to understand reality. Einstein's opened the door, now we are peering through. Seeing a world inside our world. A world of energy and paradox that not everyone can accept."

I think any guru still should put health and fitness first. I do. I'm 54 and i work through a lot of pain daily. It's rough but one has to stay active. I'm sure others have it a lot worse than me. I know you're a lot younger but it doesn't make the pain any better. At least you should recover quicker. Look guys - I'm sure Sadhguru is the real deal but at the end of the day he is still in a finite, human form and subject to this limitation. Awakened or no, one has a choice to nurture their body or let it go to hell. The latter ends in only more suffering than suffering through the aches and pains of strength training and cardio. So we have to weight the pros and cons. Of course sometimes we also can be subject to illness or addictions which could take us away from caring for our bodies and this could be the saddest part. So if you have your health and your mind, consider yourself blessed. And you don't need to be an enlightened guru - you just need to take a step back and appreciate what you have.

What I whittle all that above, down to is, confidence and self love. When it is healed within you, it radiates and becomes attractive. If you focus on something external like ‘attracting women’ you are drawing away your focus on being ok within yourself, by yourself, for yourself as a totality without anything else. You can generate that feeling at any time.( managing sexual energy efficiently, not suppressing it) You can use the interactions you have with people to monitor and identify the points at which your focus is externalising instead of watching what your own mind is doing. When you are setting up a possible relationship or interaction with a woman, watch what you do, how she reacts and how you feel and react to her reactions. As I laid out the process of ‘projection and blame’ in an interaction that doesn’t result in an expected outcome, you can see how it turns into feelings of inadequacy and self loathing ( this sabotages any future relationships or potential if it becomes a repeated habit or hardwired into the belief of your personality that this is who you are!) for example. I want sex, I want to be desired by this beautiful woman in front of me. She’s friendly, alluring and somewhat interested testing the waters to see if I’m fit for an experience. I drop out of my confidence for a second and she picks up on that because I’ve put too much importance on the outcome of this interaction being positive to satisfy my urges and the fantasies I’m now playing through my head can be read all over my body and energy as an expectation grasping at her( seeking and pulling energy away from her, taking,) . She pulls away from the interaction just a bit and I react to that feeling a rejection, feeling hurt that she is not providing me with what I want. Frustration turns to resistance and clenching/pain and I shut down my heart and project anger at her mistaking her for being the cause of the pain when it is really me.… and then the negative thoughts flood in: why won’t she desire me, why won’t she love me or give me attention or affection. Then the projection, blame and criticising thoughts flood in: she must be cold, heartless, abused in the past, a difficult woman with unrealistic expectations, high maintenance, a bad person!. I eventually set off an air of desperation that reduces me to a snivelling, pleading and juvenile little boy with no confidence or integrity. To her that is pathetic and so unattractive and repulsive. to me, I’ve placed myself into a victim mentality that automatically pushes her away which is the exact opposite of what I want to experience yet I’m oblivious to the fact that none of this was her doing. It was all my own lack of self awareness, separation and sabotage caused by fear, grasping, attachment, self defence when there really was no threat. If I maintain this trajectory I will probably end up as a woman hating and emotionally shut off recluse who is lonely and depressed. I venture into toxic masculinity by rejecting everything that is feminine including the parts of myself that are feminine( my emotion, intuition, expression and ability to accept and receive love) this is a stark contrast to what I realised as the opposite. Sexual energy is just that. A powerful force or motion that wells up inside me. It can be triggered by another persons interaction with me or I can trigger it myself with my own thoughts and fantasies about a person or even further… beautiful thoughts and affirmations about myself!( be aware that this is not narcissistic. It has nothing to do with being better or contrasting yourself to others. It is about allowing yourself to love yourself again and heal from all those negative self beliefs that limit your potential as a creator) . It’s all just an induction to get it going, get it moving but it is completely up to me and my responsibility how I manage master and direct that energy in the most efficient way so as not to suppress, block or cause resistance( stuck energy, stagnation, festering or potential illness that manifests as possible inflammation somewhere in the body) If I go into the interaction with this woman having already come into a state of self fulfilment, confidence and contentment, I am already giving off a strong confident, calm, sensual and balanced energy that feels safe and protective to her( that is what women describe as masculine, nothing to do with your appearance of how you confront to the social construct associated with the term ‘man’) . My behaviour is flirtatious and playfully seductive but respectful. This is another being ( or the same being as myself that I have and open heart and unconditional love for) they do not need to do or be anything but what they are and they are loved for it, as it is in that moment. I do not have any doubts creeping in like guilt, shame, potential regrets or anxiety/worry so there is no pulling back or fear that would cause my behaviour to become unpredictable and therefor as a confident and self assured person I create a space of safety for her to be in that energy so she can fully surrender to it and enjoy it. I create no thoughts or expectations because I’m already in an ecstatic state so there is no attachment or importance on how this interaction goes. We could just talk all night, kiss, get intimate or just dance. The moment and the experience of all those little things are equally enjoyed and let go with gratitude. I am at peace no matter what and she sees that as strength and integrity. That is attractive, sexy and desirable. I don’t care what people think of me so I become unique and authentically my best version of me. Something rare and desired by others. Something beautiful and comfortable to be around. If this is the way I am consistently every time she is with me then it could turn into a relationship ( I am fit for beautiful experiences with no expectation) If not and it’s just a once off interaction, it is not about sex anymore but a genuine and loving connection with that other person ( or the universe loving itself/not coercing itself for personal satisfaction) then it’s ok, it’s unconditional. If she stays or walks away, it cannot hurt me. I’m already in love with life, myself and the experience of the moment. Feeling and enjoying the beauty of that other person and knowing that they are feeling desired themselves because I’m already satisfied and giving, not taking or seeking anything in them. I don’t feel lack if she doesn’t reciprocate. Giving off that energy is deeply attractive to others but you have to be careful that the other person is not also placing importance or expectation on you. ( needing to be needed or a one sided seeking of codependency, this romantic notion of ‘can’t’ live without you and can’t stand on your own two feet is a damaging conditioning set by our culture) A truly loving connection with someone means they too are at peace with themselves. You have to really be at peace with yourself and completely unconditionally loving towards someone in your life who is struggling with this. Even if it means letting them be as they are for the rest of your life going nowhere.( that is if you want to take responsibility for initiating to saving of a relationship or marriage by working on yourself first and ‘being’ the space they need to heal. They may or may not get there but a shift will happen in them when they feel safe. A shift will happen when they are in and around your energy and start to heal themselves) it does take a lot of vigilance and mental strength and discipline to get yourself there but that is part of your own growth and journey. I’m here to say it is possible., raising one’s consciousness and opening one’s heart into unconditional love usually results in you having no interest in the act of sex for satisfaction but rather deep and meaningful loving connections that may or may not include the act of sex. I don’t ever rule it out because it is beautiful and powerful if it is don’t in balance. If all you want to be getting is hollow promiscuous sex then the people you will attract are individuals who have little self worth or self-esteem. This, while exiting in the beginning, starts to eat at your soul because they are literally sucking your energy. I have nothing against having many sexual interactions with women, it’s beautiful and amazing and so are they but for this shift in consciousness I’ve experienced, it is about the connection and oneness, not the sex. It is something much deeper and more profound that I’ve awakened in me. It’s also a point that I’m not seeking to or concerned about attracting women, that is a sideffect of changing my own state of mind to which the reality starts to align and harmonise with or should I say, my person or ego starts to harmonise with reality making everything more beautiful. the only thing I wish is that I could put that in a nutshell but we all know what happens when we try to cram reality into extreme limitation. 😁🫂