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Just that you seem to have been meditating for only a few months (if I've understood it correctly), and you have had some deep experiences of emptiness which are frightening and blissful in turns. Integrating it as in having a context for the mystical awareness, to feel ok with being nothingness and having an identity for normal life purposes "I remember calling my girlfriend in a panic and asking her to please start an argument with me so that I could take a definitive stance and in so continue to live the lie that I was living." you've had a taste of bliss and emptiness and you are now working on integrating this with your regular relationships in life, which can carry on with a deeper love rather than fear and panic. You're doing nothing wrong. Although there's nothing to hold onto because there's no separate self to do the holding, and everything is in flux, yet life is infinitely creative and provides new patterns to flow with, even as the old ones dissolve away. Sorry if I sound a bit vague and woolly, are you looking for something more practical or a reassurance that all's well and you're on the right path?

So God is love, infinity and timeless eternity. Such strong Love that it cannot not be. What it is, paradoxically explaining why it is? Feels a bit lonely to be afraid of it, but this is somewhat expected when posting on a spiritual community without going through enlightenment. Yet I'm asking questions despite knowing the fact I am the only one avoiding the answers. Could we presume a case where the whole is greater than the sum, at the point awareness rises to infinity? That's not wrong. I'm empty and full of fear, but actually just torturing myself. Giving in could be the most appropriate way of living a fulfilling life, if it even matters. I will look for more understandings in order to reach confidence. This is exactly what scares me the most now you mention it. The set of all problems being bigger than the set of all solutions. This is kind of a deep existential mind-break that should petrify anyone becoming aware of it, and yet it doesn't. Although the paradoxical nature of nothingness means they should both include themselves and/or be equal? And how could there be any problems if all there is, is Love? Thanks everyone for everything, I guess.

why is it frightening? its maybe frightening if you have not yet let go of good vs bad self construction! why is there rather this than something or nothing else? why not differently? why can’t there be nothing rather than something? why not try not falling into this nothing as nothingness distortion trap. people try to teach a lot of shit getting the implications of nothing wrong - ask yourself why there can even be a difference between nothing and nothing? how can nothing be relative and if so how can this also not be a relativity to something but rather one to nothing? how can it be that nothing is more relative to nothing than it is to something but yet includes something into nothing?

There's multiple depths to enlightement, and the depths are multi dimensional. VeganAwake might be going ridiculously deep into Mu or nothingness, but has no clue on the everythingness. Its all about your perspective of the mystical insight. If you see the cup half empty, its Mu. If you see the cup half full its god realization. @VeganAwake you're a nano metre away from seeing the vortex as You.

@Bennn Those are just words, or symbols as Leo puts it. Some people here assume Nothingness to be the lack of form, thus awareness. But really, the point of this thread is about what can't be put into words without undermining itself: "not being".

Formless does not equal nothingness. Nothingness by it's very nature does not exist. As far as I can see it cannot equal awareness

How does awareness=nothingness

@Meta-Man I'm not enlightened, but I somewhat superficially make sense of it. The issue isn't that I fear death or life, my experience of self is pretty neutral. But based on your words, I'm really profoundly afraid of infinity and eternity. I guess that concern is a dualistic mindset as well. When we communicate the idea of "Nothingness", what are we talking about exactly? Is it the absence of every dual state? Being one with the whole? I understand. If there is a lack, there is already awareness. It's not really a satisfying answer though. Can awareness not be?

@Javfly33 That which you are calling form is you. You are being that. That, appears, to you. This screen for example. It is you. If the conditions are released, reality is seen as it is. You. Infinite being is not experiencing anyone. Whatever could be referenced, is itself, you, infinite being. A word you created for that which appears to you, is relative, relativity. Relativity is you - relativity is absolute. By calling it “relativity” - you are creating - the experience of - “relativity”. You, infinite nothingness, infinite unconditional love, are what is. All apparent matter, is actually, you. Nothing (you) “matters” (oscillates / vibrates / appears as “reality”). “Nothing Matters”. Short of this self recognition, “nothing matters” is saying, “I don’t matter”. When you say there are points of view, you create the experience, there are points of view.

Well I am a week after Self Vipassana course at home - perfect timing with quarantine. I visited my privet Hell only to discover that this is my paradise playing disguise games with me. Vipassana is a genius Technic I am in love with it. The biggest present I could give to myself and the biggest challenge as well - perfect paradox. It felt as mini-dose of Ayawaska every day hahahaha So yes I felt instant release and great deepens awareness on how I am pure Nothingness! How the biggest Give to myself as for "others" as well is to just listen. I felt how the voice just talking to itself and the thoughts just think themselves and the same the feelings feel themselves. I release all the urgency to explain something to someone - because It's impossible to explain what I want to - it's something which may be understood only through direct experience. I can only give my listening and my receiving. I can only be and this I manifesting all which me only observing. It's so simple that is very complicating hahahahha The snake which eat it's own tail. I wondered many times during the infinite meditation about how can it be that Leo didn't talk about that? can it be he didn't try Vipassana? So yes now I'm continuing to give a full try to this technic - at least a few years. I do though do mini-douse of psilocybe in addition to meditation. Now I am fully out of the closed that I am going Buddha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All what was almost now it's clear and whole - all what was in control now is a surprise every breath. I have no expectation to be understood or liked or be a good person or to be a person at all hahahahha As I'm awakening in the morning now the first thing I'm becoming aware is my breath! It's AMAZING! I AM BREATHING EVERY MORNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG The next thing I'm becoming aware is thoughts - such a surreal experience! I got a Netflix - fully privet one. Oh and the great thing that It's not by force and not me - my thoughts are just literately movies which the mind as an antenna broadcasting them. I am free to be identified or just to watch them as they are - arousing and passing. Meditation at least two hours - I'm doing 3/4 hours - quarantine so I have a looooooot of time. Well the biggest change which made me have no doubts in adopting this Technic is the infinity of unconditional Love I feel and energy to give all of me to my family and people in need - purpose to do whatever I can to help everyone to be liberated from suffering! My ego now is including All Beings !!!! I have energy so much energy to listen to everyone and smile and see positivity in everything There is no bad or good anymore - there is just IS. I am free!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am free to free myself to give and receive to help - really help all the "other's" myself's. There is no questions anymore and expectation to superpowers and miracles - every Breath is the Miracle! I am surprised every day and cannot believe the wonder of being. My family and friends not recognizing me and in the same breath feel so free and natural in my presence and it's funny because I am they presence of they'r myself I am sane finally - so funny to experience the sensation of remembering. I am such an interesting content hahahahahah The reality is AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I know This Too Shall Pass Well that's it for now

I understand what you mean illusions within Illusions dreams within dreams. This is why I talk about nothing mattering ? Recently been studying into Ajata Sunyata... or the recognition that there's nothing from the start. Here's a little piece of it: "Advaita tells us that reality is “not two”. Ajata tells us that it is “not even one". Ajata translates as “no creation”. This means to say that nowhere has anything ever come into being. Therefore, the entire universe (or universes) — and everything therein — has no reality. In other words, the ultimate condition is nothing, or nothingness. Advaita is to ajata, as milk is to cream. In Advaita, we come to realize that “all that is, is That,” or the Absolute. Ajata is where we subsequently come to realize that there is not even That (or the Absolute). Technically, from the standpoint of ajata, even nothingness is non-existent" -- Robert Wolfe I'm really not sure if this is even what you're describing but sounded similar ? I'm not sure why anything would be a disservice though because there isn't an 'I'

1 What is enlightenment? 2 Awakening to the truth? 1 What is truth in one word? 2 Non-dual. 1 Is non-dual one word or two? 2 They are a two words that form one word. 1Is-this-one-word? 2 No. 1 Why not? 2 That's a sentence. 1 Why? 2 Because it has more than one word that conveys a message. 1 What is the truth in only one word? 2 Consciousness. 1 What is consciousness? 2 Nothing. 1 What is nothing? 2 Lack. 1 No. 2 Emptiness? 1 No. 2 Nothingness. 1 That's a redundancy. 2 Me. The answer is me. 1 Who are you? 2 What do you mean? 1 Answer the question. 2 I'm just myself. 1 What's that? 2 Whats what? 1 You. That which you are. 2 I'm still figuring myself out. 1 How? 2 I experiment try to see what feels right. 1 Examples? 2 My whole life I've been trying to find life conditions that feel right. 1 Based on what? 2 Survival. 1 Who's survival? 2 You're waiting for me to say "me" 1 Who am I? 2 Why are you asking me that? 1 Who am I? 2 Actually who are you? 1 Why are you actually? 2 What game is this? 1 Who said we are playing a game? 2 Pfft... Whatever. 1 You're losing focus. Who are you what am I and what is truth? 2 I don't know to be honest, I just create ways to try to gain an understanding of it. Science, material analasys. So forth 1 Do you conduct existence science? 2 What that? 1 When you try to create ways to grasp the truth. 2 Yeah..That's called spirituality, when you try to get enlightened. 1 What is enlightenment? 2 Only Enlightened people know. 1 Who is a people? 2 Us. 1 Who's us? 2 You and me? 1 Is US a sentence or just a word? 2 It's a word. 1 Us references a you and a me united as an us. 2 Lol that last part of what you texted me sounds like anus. 1 Pfft! 2 Hahahahaa 1 Lol. What did you first say truth was? 2 Non-dual. 1 No. 2 Why? 1 Because it's not me thats playing the game you're playing yourself! 2 Ummm. So are you like an atheist? 1 No, I believe there is just the infinate play of form we are all unique and we are all part of the non-dual nature of reality. It's like a movie but we are in the movie. An IRL movie that never ends. God goddesses any ways to describe nothingness. Doesn't do nothingness justice. I'd like to say nothing is everything and everything is nothing. It's the same. Consciousnesses is the universe, the universe itself is the play of form. Always changing. So consciousness is like the synthesis. Form the thesis and void the antithesis. If I we're to describe it in the Hegelian dialectic. I think therefore I exist is a reflection of the I- the created and personality void plays as a role as each of us in our own bodies. Is created by the thought. The mind is like the Internet bringing form out of void. An early stage, the seed or mental image. Everybody has a web domain and an IP address. Everyone has a corner of the internet to personalize. As Jesus said, what you reap, you sow. So reap good stuff to see good stuff happen. The mental content you create you add to a larger structure that is a mental prison that causes suffering in it's need to cling to it out of fear. Fear comes from lack of understanding. I do believe radical and mystical feelings of being one with everything as a whole is possible. Through mental expansion of understanding. Do your science. Life is the science of life. You are YOUR world. The flower. The mental is the seed. What is truth? 2 Us. 1 Are we non dual? 2 Yes. 1 Yes!❤

?? Presenting to you, nothingness ?

There is no answer because there is no one here to ask a question. Question and answer = complete emptiness It's coming from nothingness and arriving at nothingness

If fear is an illusion as ACIM says, then what is illusion? Let's define illusion: Definition: Illusion is nothingness. And the definition of definition is nothingness. Isn't that circular reasoning? Not in certainty logic. In certainty logic such statement is valid. Why is there something rather than nothing? The answer is because nothingness is sameness and something is difference. This is getting pretty mind twisting. An example might be in order: Take for example the statement "2 = 2". Does this statement equal sameness? No it doesn't. Because the two numbers "2" are at different locations in space. So the belief that the statement represents sameness is an illusion. Circular reasoning is always nothingness. When we try to say that 2 equals 2 then that's circular reasoning. Hmm... The example maybe made the logic even more mind twisting, lol. Well, the idea is something like that. I will ponder it a bit more.

Journal, mood: at peace meditation: none thoughts and feelings: 1) I awoke from my nap with my brain vibrating. I felt so holy. I then did a practice of appreciation and people started coming into my room. I focused on this and literal reality started to morph. It chapped before my eyes. I have never seen reality so perfect and still, yet not still. I knew at that moment this was what I was seeking my whole life. Don't get me wrong, I've been so at peace my mind stops and "this" is so so... so unexplainable. However, this was just on a whole new level. I've gone deeper down the rabbit hole. Edit: I remember watching everything perfectly fall into place. Anything someone said was so alive. A song came on "The house of the rising sun" from my moms phone and I just saw absolute perfection and alinement. This is what the seekers seek in their journey to nothingness. (I just felt like writing these words. I have no belief or attatment however the word just flowed out of me. It felt so "right" to type them. So perfect. So wonderful.) second edit: I realized why I had this knee jerk negative reaction to "this is what the seekers seek in their journey to nothingness" it felt like a pure arrogant statement even though I didn't have that intention. Dillusion, etc. I know nothing. I keep realizing that it goes deeeper and deeper.

Without thoughts, ideas, imagination and beliefs there is no Universe and there is No God Consciousness. The Void means absolute Nothingness, that includes No God Consciousness as a creator creating the Everything, the All-That-Is. Is that what your really want? Is that what you really want to strive for? Is that what you want to focus your attention on for the rest of eternity? I have been given the Gift of thoughts, ideas, imaginations, beliefs, feelings and emotions, and I would rather focus my consciousness on Beingness, and Being in the moment on this wonderful creation called "life". There is no "Life" in the Void of Nothingness, just potentials, which requires, thoughts, ideas, imaginations etc., to give birth to those potentials. That is what consciouness becomes and is. Like my Father-In-Law always says… Do as you like, and live a day longer! A student sharing thoughts, ideas and beliefs!

Nothing from the start... Nothing is everything... 0 is Infinite... Emptiness is fullness(pregnant nothingness)... Knowing is a trap... Unknowing is freedom... When you stamp something as known you just limited yourself... When you say I don't know you free yourself... Belief is a prison sentence... Of course the only complete freedom is that which never could be free or bound... Pure Void!!

@Insightful27 Have you purchased Leo’s booklist? Read God is Nothingness and SantataGamana’s books for learning real yoga. Maybe start a blog, post whatever you’re interested in. Hope that’s useful.

No more dreaming here only Awakeness. The everything that is sought for is recognized within the nothingness that it is. Yes. Unconditional love for no one.

@Leo Gura See that there is no way of conciousness being more or less conscious of itself, when all there is is conciousness. It always knows only itself, either as a finite form or as its pure being of nothingness. God is always fully awake. It doesn't get created. If it would, there would have to be a thing like unconciousness. Unconciousness could by definition never become conscious. Conciousness is the absolut, non-dual There is no such thing like "more total levels". It's TOTAL! Yes! You cannot go deeper than the understanding that conciousness creates everything. There is nothing beyond the creation of everything, is there?

This is a simple meditation technique that helps me to break away from sensation and thought. Set yourself up to meditate however you feel comfortable, this is not an active meditation so it is not recommended for when attention on other activities is required. Open with love and gratitude for all that is, when your mind has begun to settle start noticing all thoughts and sensations, do not go into each, just mentally accept and say "thank you" and move onto the next until you find very few objects in your mind. Eventually you will be able to say thank you to a thank you and it will propell you into deeper and deeper states until consciousness is very subtle. Stay in nothingness and rest there, if you find new mind objects arising return to thanking. Expect nothing, resist nothing. Just be. Insights can arise at this point which can be accepted gently in this delicate space. Love.

Unknowing is what was surrendered to here... There is no direction to go or not go... There is no path... you can't move towards or away from everything... There are no right or wrong's, should or should not, this over that... You can't go wrong when every option is everything... Staying put is the same as doing something... There isn't a higher power judging anything... There appears to be some kind of boundless pure potential energy but it's empty and void of any meaning or purpose... You could say this energy transcends meaning purpose value truth, but that would just be a projection of the Mind... Its THIS... and it can't be grasped by the human mind it can't be put in a box labeled and given a direction because it's everything and simultaneously an empty nothingness.. You simply can't go wrong because everything is IT!!!

@Leo Gura I acheived this enlightenment and greater from cannabis and tobbaco combined. The combination is perfect. Jump up and down notice form going up as you go down and as you go down form goes up. We are not bodies we are invisibility and nothingness pretending to be a me and a you. There is no man and no woman. Remember NONDUALITY.

When it's recognized that even the apparent mind that creates illusion is also illusion.... emptiness no thing pregnant nothingness... Boundlessness... holyshitness When Even Silence is not it.... Its......................