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All I mean to say is, respect the mouse's potential, man! This is some kind of serious groundbreaking novel experience you're describing here. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if after making 100 people become this being for an infinity of eternities, that there would still be things about the alien that even these 100 can't conceive of.

I don't know who what when where and why, that's how my mind likes to rhyme, deep inside, rhythmic beats, rhyming beeds, on a mic with big mac in one hand, mac in cheese the other, also wear my hearts out in my sleeves, as tell tale as my heart can be. I know, now, back then, when a UFO hover craft, shaped like a flying saucer egg, drips a sauce, yellow-orange light inside my Mo's wine, above her dormitory, during a storm, alien genetics tac toes into my mind, fitting it like denin jeans inside my witty baby skull bean. I can still see it, where I was, like the sounds still here, between my round ears, hearing my Ma's dorimafasola. fueling my soul as Ma and Da and Sa and Ra rears me, slightly abnormal story compared to norms, back then, also a toodler boy, close to void, wisdom old yet golden, somehow know deities shower me with their delight in me, till father time slices them magical memories, chiseled me with space time limits till I was meshed in flesh, leashed in pleasures and pains, passions and hates, deep in dualities, ties livid till devine memories fade. "Quirkle Squirkle Lurkle" says the what mouse, "Where Squirrels lurks, turns turtles, Quirk perks: quickie murders, squirts the ugly duck girl, quack-quack." Says the Myrtle CAT, who? GOD, who and what says this quackery? Quick, phone and ask Dr. Seuss for that blue steroid for my throat chakra, to reign in my insanity...what? He's busy eating Swiss cheese burgers, on an asteroid, getting massages from a masseuse? Ok, don't mention my exploring into my in-sanity. How do I know, and did all that above? Pre written, or off the dome? Yes and no, Rome wasn't built in one day, guilty free slaves, hey, how did I leave my haven here, to end up in another dimension? What a dilemma, don't mention this to the drones, or the Reptilian and Greys, also the CIA, or else policia will come, and I have to seem polite and nice and tell them why the Black Cats are at it again, playing rats and mice in alleyways, and explain why, in plain English, half a mouse lies on my carpet, and how my adopted kitten's innocent despite the red smears on her lips, nose and whiskers. Thank god my garping on and on about my day drove them away, phew! Not now, but a second later, my best friends gonna drill me into giving her griled cheese sandwich, driving me into those manic episodes, featuring a Pepsi soda, with a fillet fish burger, added tarter sauce with a bunch of starters, side of griiled cheese and homemade chilli sauce, Netflix and chill with aliens and predators, subconsciously recording everything and somehow getting feedback, while my bestie listens to Drillmatic and Black Slim Shady while downing some Bailey's. Hey, cute lady, night time, dim the lights, let sleep limp your framing, and sheep counting daze your day away. @Leo Gura

I just began exploring this thing, so we'll see. I don't know. Well, it's sorta just in love endlessly with itself. It's all alone too, so it doesn't really have anyone else to love. At least that's what I experienced up to this point. INFINITY is LOVE. That's the highest, most fullest God state. Just pure undifferentiated LOVE. This alien consciousness is very loving of itself, but it's a very specific, differentiated kind of experience of Love. Both kinds of Love are amazing. It's sort of like the difference between enjoying vanilla ice cream vs a very exotic form of ice cream like tea green or pistachio. The vanilla is more balanced but the exotic one can be extremely satisfying despite being very narrow.

Why guess as human Leo? Can you not ask these questions as that mouseGod? After all, that being is certain to be vastly superior in wisdom and understanding than any human could ever hope to be. Of course, I was using a different definition of Omnipresence though. Omnipresence refers to the infinitude of God's experience. But there can be many different meanings to the concept of experiencing absolutely everything. For instance, does this Alien have direct access to the entirety of all mankind's personal experiences? If so, then that's amazing, isn't it? If not so, then why? Why is this being limited in that area and how? Another thing, how loving is this being? Can you imagine something it wouldn't love? Also, how does it's infinite love compare to say, the infinite love you've expressed in past states of God consciousness? Of course, the human mind by default is very limited and struggles substantially with these things usually. Of course not! Only I am so crazy as to hold myself to those kinds of seemingly impossible standards and maintain such incredible ambition. At the same time however, I'd like to point out that this whole concept of Man vs God is kinda nonsensical since man is just God hallucinating that it's man. As a side note, I've as a human taken somewhat of a hiatus from psychedelics in recent time, but am likely to come out of it as there's substances that are just far too useful in aiding me in my work not to do them. Nonetheless, my human only experience is invaluable as manipulating reality from various levels of capability permits me to learn in a way I couldn't if I stuck only to God consciousness all the time. As I wouldn't have the reference of success/failure in doing so from lower levels of mind to compare against the same in higher states.

@Leo Gura Because the mouse and your human body were morphed into one entity. Is it not possible for you to become this I don't even know what to call it, Omniscient, Omnipotent, hyperdimensional Godself on a permanent basis? Furthermore, in what dream/reality/place which is beyond all dreams/realities does this being exist? You have said that the natural laws it's under differ from those of the reality which houses Leo. Therefore, it seems reasonable that there's some kind of perceptual barrier that exists in your perception between these two realities. But because these are both our imagination, the separateness of them is made up by us, therefore isn't it possible for you to send things from one reality into another by means of the Alien's sovereignty as God? And lastly, to what extent is this Alien being Omnipresent and in what sense? True, well said. Furthermore, this means you have the ability to alter the laws of physics using your mind. With human consciousness, this may be difficult or even impossible, but as we all know, human consciousness can be in many different ways..... many many many many different ways. You can even become something that's not even human anymore lol. Then it's as objective as we desire it to be. As such, we can modify the degree of subjectivity/objectivity of it.

I agree with you here, this is in part why I objected as I did because you stated something that's contrary to my understanding of you. Namely that God was essentially beyond your comprehension on the grounds that our nature is too radical and alien to be comprehended by you. Of course, you did not overtly state this but implied it, I was responding to your implication of guilt in your incapacity to understand us, not any overt deliberate statement. So I'm trying to help you better articulate yourself by pointing out that you should never make a statement that lacks nuance such as "No one on the forum can do x", especially since such phraseology includes you. If you've read even just a small minority of the things I've posted, it's probably obvious to you that we're substantially in agreement about basically everything relative to metaphysics, and the true nature of existence. There are only mostly tiny discrepancies that arise between our worldviews, which in my understanding has occurred for two reasons. One, at the level of our human selves, my own moral philosophy is significantly more utilitarian than yours. And two, because I have substantially more experience attempting to do magickal things from a relatively ordinary human state of consciousness with varying degrees of success. And as such, I've had different insights to you at times, though I've also through means similar to the means you employ also discovered many of the same truths that you have. You are me so of course. Much of the criticisms I have levied toward you in the past, have revolved around areas where in my estimation you've imposed unnecessary limits on yourself. Which of course substantially alienates me from the majority of your other critics who have the opposite inclination. Who tell you that you're deluded because you're a human limited to the things a human can do, thinking that they're God. The heart of all my criticism is basically the inverse of this, that because you truly are God, you don't have to accept any of the limits you have accepted. Our current society wants to pigeon hole you into accepting the status quo ante and all its limitations, I however have endeavored to push you in 180 degrees the other direction. Indeed, from your experiences that correlate to experiences of my own, I've profited substantially in many verticals. Mostly in the form of gaining greater clarity and a superior understanding of things, the value of which can't be easily quantified. This makes me think you read quite a lot of the things I've written on this forum. As I often present myself in a way that is indicative of blatant biases toward usefulness.

Here's some alien knowledge, for anyone who is interested... My Mr. Wolf showed me how to do this because he is one of these beings. They are highly complex social memory complexes, and they start as a single point in awareness, just like you, from their side, and they draw consciousness/the light/the feminine portion into them, and they completely immerse themselves within it, bathe in it, and carry it throughout their entire being. Every portion carries an equal amount of this within them. This consciousness/light is love and is similar to how the first material creates life within it - prima materia - Adam and Eve. They say that humans need to get closer to Love and that we would dance in this manner if we could do this, that we would automatically start to move in natural patterns, that we would have more of a collective hive mind. They work together in a unit, but are entire worlds into themselves, moving in complete harmony, everyone knows their place in the dance - they share this with me, before descending back into themselves as one singular point. You can find these beings within yourself, within allegory, within metaphor, "out there", they are everywhere, trying to share this message of self-love to get back to God. I fail at this, but this one time, when I really did allow myself to love who I was - I was given this message. Hope you can take something from it. This entire thread has reinvigorated my sense of agency on my path - I might take a break for a few days after today - but this whole thing was just what I needed to feel sure of myself again. I was so worried I was doing it all wrong, and then literally right after discussing with myself a much needed break to collect my thoughts, Leo comes out with this - like a sign, that we are all getting closer into understanding this strange and crazy existence. I love it so much. I am thrilled. I'll be back in a few days... good luck understanding/integrating your experience Leo!

No. I only became the mouse yesterday. What I mean is something much more twisted: Leo's body is actually an alien mouse when seen from the proper state of consciousness. The look of my body doesn't change, but you become so conscious that you simply start see yourself as an alien. Imagine awakening to the fact that you are not a human but an alien. But your physical appearance does not change. Maybe it's better to say that it became me.

@AtheisticNonduality No, he just became an alien mouse.

My human mind can barely access it right now. The sounds and rhythem is too alien to hold in human memory. But here's a tiny yet poor example "Quirkle squirkle lurkle" It's like Dr Suess-speak on steroids. Its meaning cannot be translated into any human concepts. Its meaning exists in a totally different dimension from human comprehension. It's meaning is stranger than if you were to see a taramisu-flavored dragonfly in 5 dimensions. I will need to revisit the mouse state and record myself to capture it faithfully. I'm not doing a good rendition of the sounds right now.

That's pretty cool, but not alien-sounding enough.

@Leo Gura After experiencing the tremendous joy of being this alien mouse, did you have any challenges coming back to your life as Leo?

That's wonderful, funny last night I also encountered being transformed to alien-like consciousness and form that brought me to infinite bliss! But not something as elaborate and detailed like yours, but still wayyy beyond this world and what's possible without psychedelics. Look forward to exploring more. Psychedelics being illegal is a real disservice to humanity, hope that changes one day.

Not sure yet. This is totally new territory for me. This mouse only exists for aesthetic reasons. It's a living work of art. You don't "use it", you just delight in being it. The mouse it is own goal and reward. It's like experiencing an endless alien orgasm.

EVERYTHING is a subjective experience. Consciousness is Absolute Subjectivity. That's what Awakening reveals. God is Infinite Imagination. When you truly grok this, you can turn yourself into a playful alien mouse. Ta-DAAAA!

Think of it this way, I became so conscious that Leo's human body was radically recontextualized into this alien mouse. Leo's body did not physically change. The mouse body was superimposed within my consciousness. It's truly alien. It's a possibility only beyond 3D space-time. You cannot find such a mouse within our material reality. It requires totally different physical laws to exist. First I had a complete God-Realozation. Then I asked myself, What is beyond God? And so I discovered this new alien dimension of Infinity. I was Omniscient. Of course it's all my own Mind Show me someone who has ever described what I described above. There's nothing even close to this. I'm sure you could discover all sorts of other cool alien stuff within consciousness, but this mouse I am the first to discover.

@Leo Gura "This alien has set its life purpose to be the metaphysical embodiment of divine Playfulness, Quirkiness, and Weirdness. Imagine if playfulness, quirkiness, and weird could somehow be made absolutes. Well, this fucking mouse figured out how." I experienced something like this, dancing as the embodying of divine playfulness and joy on my second bufo experience. Completely out of control, fully flowing with divine intelligence. Best and most fulfilled experience of my entire life ?❤️ levels of joy that I still cry when I remember.

Yes. But it's more fucked up than that. Not only have I experienced the highest possible Truth, which is INFINITY, I have experienced new kinds of truth that hardly anyone on this planet even knows are possible because they are so alien.

Last night I awoke so radically that I went completely beyond nonduality and all human spiritual teachings. Beyond the classical God. I became an alien hyper intelligence for several hours. To clarify, I did not meet an alien, I became an alien consciousness and I engaged in alien spirituality it a manner that no human mind can ever imagine or fathom. This alien intelligence is an alien form of God-Consciousness. I am the first human who has ever discovered it. Although this is virtually impossible, now I shall try to paint you a poetic picture of what this alien intelligence was like, how it felt, and how it did spirituality. This is going to sound insane, so hold on to your hat. Here we go: My consciousness became so interconnected that I realized that I am a small alien kangroo-mouse, along the lines of the character Scrat from the kid's movie Ice Age. But I was way cooler. This was no ordinary kind of animal that humans have ever experienced. This alien kangaroo mouse does not live on any planet, it floats around in an infinite vacuum of metaphysical mind-space. This mouse is hyper animated. It is stuck in an endless loop of playfulness. It is constantly jumping around, twirling, doing backflips, spinning, dancing, twisting itself into prestles and impossible strange loops at a very rapid rate of something like 100 frames per second. It's playing this game with itself purely out of self-love and delight. It's able to sustain this game indefinitely. It never gets tired or needs a moment to stop to catch its breath. It has infinite child-like energy. But it gets weirder! This alien mouse isn't just doing this dance at the physical level with its body, it's simutaneously doing it at the emotional, mental, and spiritual level. This is a hyper-dimensional mouse whose intelligence is greater than that of all the combined human IQs on planet Earth. This mouse can speak to itself in a nonlinear, multi-parallel alien language that does not sound like anything a human would understand as language. But the mouse perfectly understands itself. Its inner monologue is extremely rapid and astoundingly intelligent and beautiful. Imagine the human inner monologue sped up by about 5x. It's thinking simultaneously on multiple planes, in parallel. Each plane of its monologue perfectly mirrors the playful, twisted, animates style of its dancing and movements on the physical plane. The immense delight that it takes in moving its body is matched by an immense delight in its own linguistic and mental gymnastics. It's lost in a dance of mental gymastics simply because it is in complete love with its own quirkiness. The goal of this alien intelligence is to experience it's own werkiness to infinity, all alone, forever by itself. This mouse's only purpose for existence is to twist itself into pretzels both physically and mentally. That IS how this consciousness does spirituality. That is its "meditation" so to speak. This mouse is so intelligent that it's found a way to twist meditation inside-out. Rather than trying to stop its mind, it speeds it up and makes the mind dance in exotic ways. This mouse is intelligent enough to perform complex mathematical calculations at dizzying speed, faster than a calculator. The mouse is fully conscious of itself as God, but precisely because it is God, it has selected to limit itself to this very peculiar mode of existence. This alien has set its life purpose to be the metaphysical embodiment of divine Playfulness, Quirkiness, and Weirdness. Imagine if playfulness, quirkiness, and weird could somehow be made absolutes. Well, this fucking mouse figured out how. This alien mouse is extremely beautiful in every possible way. The shape of its body. The way it moves its body and its mind are absolutely intoxicating. It's completely lost in an endless flow state. Its energy fills you with child-like wonder and joy. It's adorable in ways that no physical earthly animal can ever be. But perhaps its most beautiful part is its twisted and quirky alien language -- its internal monologue. Every word in its language rhymes with every other word in the most delightful dance. Its language is made of endless strange loops and listening to it is more addictive than taking any human drug. And perhaps the most mind-fucked part about all this is that the mouse's body was identical to Leo's human body. This sounds logically impossible and yet, there it was. When I awoke to all this, I wasn't just watching it from a distance, I BECAME this alien consciousness. It took me so by surprise that I was fell to the floor writhing in boundless joy, flabergasted in metaphysical extasy. This was hands down the happiest day of my life. This was my Heaven. This experience was so radically profound that it has become the single most important experience of my life. I don't care about human spirituality any more, all I care about basking as this alien consciousness forever. That's it for now. I am still struggling to figure out how to articulate all this. This is my first attempt. In the future I will make a better, deeper write-up of all this, and hopefully I am able to one day demonstrate this alien language to you on video. My human mouth is not able to speak it yet. The words sound so strange and they flow so fast that I will have to train myself to speak it. I'm not yet sure if this will be possible for a human to do, but I will really try. This will be my most important contribution to mankind. Anyhow, if you have any questions, ask away. Edit #1: To clarify, there exist some people on this planet who claim to have had experiences of being an alien. Some of them have contacted me, upset that I claimed to be the only one. So out of due diligence and respect for them I want to clarify that I don't claim to be the only human to have experienced what it's like to be an alien. Edit #2: You should not take my description of alien consciousness too literally because words fail us here. This is a poetic description which takes some liberties in order to communicate an overall feel for the experience. I'm less interested in the technical details than I am in painting a general picture in your mind. So if you parse my words literally like some legal scholar, expect to be disappointed. Communicating such an experience is extremely challenging and I reserve the right to make mistakes in attempting it.

^I can definitely relate to this specific part. Its such a weird profound feeling. An otherworldly intelligence so grand it seems alien, Ai-Like, and yes divine. Same words I have.

I "confirmed in my direct experience" that the arcangel Gabriel appeared from the sky and told me my mission in life is to start a suicide cult... Connor Murphy "confirmed in his direct experience" that he is in fact a space alien. The judges at the Salem witch trials "confirmed in their direct experience" that everyone they sentenced to be burnt at the stake was a witch. 'Cause they got a funny feeling in their gut bro. My throat chakra is tense right now. I believe this means you are practicing witchcraft. Confirmed by direct experience bro. Off to the dunking pools with you! Thou ist a witch!

IDENTIFYING HER ANIMUS COMPLEX What is a man to you? What do you expect from a man in relationship with you? Tell me ten things that make you feel loved, honored, and respected as a woman? What do you think about male-female equality? What differences do you see between men and women? Are there different roles for men and women in a relationship and our society and what are they? What role did your father play in your life and what is your relationship with him today? Who were the most significant males in your life, during what period, what role did they play, and howdid they influence you? What role did your mother play in your life and what is your relationship with her today? What roles did you and your partners play in previous relationships? What makes men attractive to you? What kinds of men are unattractive to you? She may be in stage 1 (men as alien outsider) if she has an ambivalent relationship with her father and other significant men in her early life. Additional indicators are reports of tumultuous love/hate relationships with former partners, longer periods in her life without a male partner, sexual relationships with women, and if she goes back and forth between a desperate clingy desire for your love and then fearful rejections when you get close. Pointers to a stage 2 animus (men as father, God, or king) are a critical or disapproving father figure whom she never felt to be good enough for. She may speak favorably of kind men who adore, support, and treat her well, and negatively of those who criticize, challenge, or dismiss her. Women in this stage may struggle with aging, can be emotionally needy, constantly ask for approval and reassurance about their lovability, and are afraid to do things wrong. Indicators of a stage 3 animus complex (men as her hero) are answers that favor loyal, supportive, generous, and loving men with an unwavering commitment to honor and support their wife and children. She likely had a stable childhood and a good relationship with her father and mother, or at least healed most of her earlier emotional wounds. In her eyes, men should know right from wrong, be hard-working, good fathers, family-oriented, heroic, protective (if need be, aggressive towards others), and benevolent towards her. Women in stage 4 (men as independent being) are particularly easy to identify, as they talk about the financial and emotional independence that they have attained through their own work or through successful divorces after one or more long-term marriages. They express a desire to explore who they are, independent of a committed partnership with a man, and want to live alone, often with a dog or cat that they are proud to love more than they would any man. If women in this stage consider to be in a partnership they often exclaim...“where are all the good men?”...and of course no man within their reach is ever good enough. Successful, up-beat, entertaining, self-assured, and happy men who display empathy, understanding, and support for them while pursuing their own purpose and interests without needing a female partner for sex, approval, support, or “to mother” them are valued by women in this stage, who sometimes maintain uncommitted sexual relationships with younger lovers. Most eco-, radical, and social feminists—who resent men and what they stand for—are found in this stage (or stage 1) as well. She has arrived in stage 5 of her animus development (men as equal partner) when she realizes the benefits of being in a committed love relationship with an integrally informed man whom she values as an opposite and equal. A woman in this stage sees the benefits of a healthy, live together committed marriage as the foundation for her ongoing personal growth, spiritual development, physical sexual well being, and socially, economically, and ecologically responsible livelihood. Her focus is on the inner qualities of a responsible man who lives his authentic life purpose and can love unconditionally in a committed partnership, instead of his worldly possessions and social status only. A single woman in this stage is a rare find, as she is clear in what she seeks in a life-partner, and actively pursues men who are her equal. She has no problem finding a suitable partner within a few weeks of her opening to relationship if she is attractive and sex-positive,451 as men are naturally conditioned by evolution to be chosen by a healthy woman who honors and values them.

Oh! I understand that. Sort of like lock and key, you just allow what you need to come to you in order to heal and it seems to take affect? Thing happening to you, working through you - do you mean divine or just any circumstance? Does it seem like you were just given a natural talent to be able to work through things/think through them? That's really sad that you have not been able to go after things you desire/don't have them and that you have to do things out of necessity. Both of our cultures/lives are very different in that sense. I've been given both pain and luxury at differing times. Sometimes when we would talk and I would hear of your stories, about constantly being under pressure in some way I wondered how you didn't buckle from it. I would have within a year's time. I understand from my side of the fence on how it feels to feel like an alien, or like your hardware is different. You've come a long way for where you've come from and I imagine it is probably hard to relate to people because you have a natural talent for growing intuitively, and your environment is more stagnant for the kind of person that you inherently are. I agree, I don't agree with the vision humanity has at all, but I also don't really have a better vision in place - do you? I've been thinking a lot about this - if everything was reset by some cosmic force, how would we all redo things? I have this feeling that people continue to go on after death and that they develop groups in order to grow, and I wonder what I will discuss with my group - or if they will all sort of assimilate into me - like how they say all is One. It's hard to know. What I do know is that humanity is whack, dude. People are so messed up - I wish there was a better structure for all people, from start to finish so that everyone was happy and could do the things that they love and are good at without all the bullshit getting in the way. There's so much missed potential when we fight all the time, war with one another, when you have these rich assholes at the very top dictating what everyone else should do. I don't feel connected to the human dream at all. I feel connected to something else entirely. As in, the whole world just seems to be made of it. Hard to explain, but... everything just feels like a manifestation of forces just outside of human awareness, that no one else sees. I feel that people are very blind to themselves in a lot of ways and I don't relate/even know how to function in this world at all. Like... I don't belong here. Someone gave me the wrong map dude. LOL! I relate also to the feelings of - if it weren't for some desire to survive - I would have ended it. I'm sorry to hear that you ever felt that way, though. That sucks. Do you still feel that way or have you resolved it somewhat? Shit dude, I am so sorry. It really pains me to know what happened to your country. It's really not fucking fair knowing that people struggle while others get safe/comfy lives. We all deserve the same things in life. No one should feel any sort of lack. I hate it and wish and hope that this will change for you. I can give some really broad answers on that, but for the nitty gritty, you'll have to have an awakening into what that is. The broad answers - God literally can't function without you as a part of the system. "I can't feel anything without you" God tells its creations. If you were not here, it would be incomplete and God can't be incomplete. There's a mechanism, an evolutionary feedback loop of positive and negative that looks completely different from up on high, and from that vantage point, there is a plan and purpose for it all. It sort of branches out with a lot of different tendrils and tastes for areas where people are ripe for discovering themselves and it does aid in that process. If you keep inquiring, keep looking within and don't stop learning, eventually your own puzzle will start to unravel. I'll bet it already has been.

I didn't really work through it in the strict meaning of the word. It's probably more accurate to say that it's working through me and I'm allowing it. Almost all of my life, it's always been things/events working through me/happening to me. I can hardly remember a time where I really desired something and went after it for the sake of it. Unlike most people, everything I do is out of necessity, not luxury. I don't seem to have the conventional built-in desire to live the human life or to be a person. I am weird and an alien in that sense, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. Though, it has its drawbacks when dealing with humans, cuz we are often on different frequencies, and that can make me struggle to relate to them. I've gotten a lot better over the years, but I still don't find the human life as interesting as advertised. That's not to say I don't like socializing or being with other humans, it's just that I don't agree with the vision that humanity has as a collective, as I view all the games they play as fruitless, distracting, and even harmful. So it's not that I was/am emotionally disconnected from myself as much as I was/am disconnected from the human dream. I don't know if it's different for you, but that's as best as I could describe it from my most authentic self's pov. I really don't relate to most of the human nonsense, most of the times I just force myself to. If it wasn't for my sexual drive and the need to survive, I would probably have killed myself long ago. It hurts just thinking about it. Me too. I just want to know what God ultimately wants with me.

I’m actually working on the summary for Leo’s Ketamine episode. I’m travelling right now and don’t have reliable access to wifi, so it won’t be up for at least 3 weeks. Here are some tidbits. -Plugging is perfect for K. A good starter dose is 15-30mg. For Leo, a medium dose is 30mg, but he’s very sensitive to substances. -Ketamine has a very heavy body load, especially with medium doses and larger. I have no idea how people dance on it. I highly recommend just lying down and listening to music for at least 90 mins after you’ve plugged and while you’re tripping. I like to have a bottle of water and my laptop at hand to switch the music if I feel like it. Here’s a ketamine playlist you may enjoy. I especially like the meditation at the beginning. Music makes a big difference on your trip. https://soundcloud.com/sarahmyers/sarah-myers-music-for-ketamine-psychedelic-therapy-001 -After plugging, it takes 10 mins to come on and the high is 30-60 mins. -Things can look weird, alien and blurry, but K also shuts down your conceptual mind. I personally feel no fear on it, even at high doses, whereas I’ve have plenty of spooky experiences on 5-MeO and shrooms. Other people’s experiences will vary. -This video’s pretty accurate: -Because your body is fairly numb, you can feel like a 20 ft cloud of awareness, or even as thin as a pancake (for me, anyway). Music takes on a beautiful faraway quality. -K gives you a potent No-Mind experience. It’s probably similar to what multi-decade meditators experience during a peak. It’s not as good for getting insights into non-duality, Love or God as proper psychedelics. It could be great for healing at a psychological or emotional level however.