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@Danioover9000 It's like schizophrenia without believing the xrazy thoughts entirely and without hallucinations. Just google schizotypal DSM-T symptoms. You'll need 5/9. @RendHeaven You have no idea. Don't you believe personal experience? Oh thank you, I forgot I just need 'maturity'. I'm just gonna wait until I have some. The stove is strong determination sitting. Taking psychedelics is not knowing what the liquid is, while throwing a lighter in a pool of potential gasoline. Go ask on dp/dr forums how nice life is since they have experienced nothingness.

I have yet to see a person spontaneously experiencing nothingness saying: "oh well it's not that bad"

@Ilan Well, being able to survive huge amounts of psychedelics is not a gift in terms of enlightenment. A gift would be not do need a single dose. Being born as Jesus for instance. My point is not only that it's dangerous. It's also pointless for liberation. I would be okay if psychedelics were meant for people who already transcended suffering. Nobody is ready for nothingness. You die, everybody dies. God laughs at you:"Oh you thought this was real? It's a dream!". If I should find a word for it I would call it:" metaphysical existential eternal pain".

Gotcha, this is one of those things were contexts need to be explicit else it becomes a bamboozle. Just so we are on the same page: essentially you are pointing out the fact that everything is essentially arbitrary boundaries and classifications (archetypal derivatives) we overlay on top of perception to (ego-self) subjectively and relatively make sense of it. Beneath this apriori metaphysical model is nothingness, or infinity, until we start to arbitrarily create finite things from this infinitude via our archetypal metaphysical constructs. Like for example, there is no fixed absolute boundary to what we class as a human, you can't find one, same with colours, there is no absolute fixed boundary between 'yellow' and 'orange', etc etc The way I interpreted it from your video was you were implying that reality itself changes completely when we don't percieve it, like something out of Dr Strange or another dimension

Two words: Exposure Therapy. The issue I see with most people trying to use a strong substance as 5-MEO to have an Awakening, is the trying it once or twice and expecting the desired results. Of course you're going to be scared of something unfamiliar. As Leo has said, it can take 100 tries to reach an Awakening, and it can take 100 Awakenings to fully understand all aspects of God/Infinity/Nothingness/Infinite Love. So the best course is to have a schedule where you do ceremony with 5-MEO at least once a week. Each time you do this you are getting more and more desensitized to any fear, and closer and closer to the ability to fully surrender. After enough ceremonies with 5-MEO, you'll be so used to it, there will be no fear.

There is an organ in the human body wich has literally nothingness in it, it has Vacuum space. And that is the pineal gland, being the reason one can experience literally nothing, beyond thing. Wich is thought.

@Adamq8 @Breakingthewall @Inliytened1 If you guys think that we are having a conversation now, talking. So called mind hasn’t transcended. Whatever you are doing is identical. Because nothing is happening. If you dont name and label whatever you are doing, nothing will be left as now. So called mind has to be transcended, which is realization of there is no such a thing as thought. Now is before birth. Emptiness, nothingness or beingness. Whatever you are doing, if you dont think its being Now. All wrong-doing arises because of mind. If mind is transformed can wrong-doing remain Buddha

Also again he makes the following hardcore solipsistic claim - can someone confirm whether he still actually believes that none of us exist when hes looking or speaking to us, as he's mostly ignored or equivocated: you're not looking at your child that 55:05 child exists as infinity as nothingness 55:08 when you're not looking at elephant it's 55:10 infinity its nothingness we're not 55:12 looking at your house it's infinity it's 55:13 nothingness 55:18 that's what it is that's also what you 55:22

Thank you very much for the comment. Most of the time, I am totally grounded as some kind of absolute, total nothingness that somehow is capable of projecting (and creating through the act of perceiving it) a beam of impersonal consciousness that stubbornly solidifies into the visible universe and my inner world, with a figure which is the body that acts as the centre of the play. And I am beyond the beam and the universe, which seem to float within me. That´s my solid awakening...which I know is still lacking something. As you say, yes, it is that trascendental Awareness which I am what is imagining reality, or, as I say, creating it through perceiving it. But there is a lack of joy in the process. I don´t feel the love of a father to his children. Mind you, I am a very happy, enthusiastic individual, and in my life there is joy, kindness, music, art, calm and laughter...but there is not the kind of trascendental Love for that which comes out of myself: that individual, relative perspective as a whole. Leo Gura advised me to try the psychedelic path. It very probably would be the solution.

Infinity/Nothing is Limitless.. In order for Nothingness/Infinitude to seem like Somethingness requires limits. If Infinity tried to describe itself to itself (to 'know' something about itself) how would it do it without duality(limits.. this, not that)? You can't have just the inside of a cup with no outside.. 'Just the inside of a cup' doesn't 'mean' anything without any outside. Duality is 'imaginary limitations'. We know the outside of the cup and inside of a cup are only 'a difference we imagine'.. there is just the whole cup. Limitation is a feature of 'this reality', not a bug.. it's what makes the whole experience so rich.

@Kindle Jhanas are basically steps of meditation. You focus on breath, then on pleasure, then you have a cosmic orgasm, then equanimity, and then you get to experience nothingness infinity existence and non existence. In THAT state you have the strongest concentration possible. Now, if you ask the question "what is reality/Who am I" you'll get an answer (It's a metaphorical description of course) It's basically self inquiry with 100000 times more power.

dear me, say the least I have realized to be reduce myself into nothingness is freeing, airy. Not in a low self esteem idea of nothing.. I know guilt so well, for what I needed and do not have. For what I now have because I wanted. Are we always in constant want or need? There are some peope that stay in the heart and more than worldly things, it has a place and does not leave. Not attachments but tokens, poststamps of love and joy. I wont peel these away if I have to. It can just stay. would be nice though be like a tree for once, the seasons keep you going and all you're doing is being still. Your leaves bend to the winds of change surrendering, and fruits that fall doesnt matter.

I can’t believe people still don’t understand the implications of non-duality and oneness. I will try my best to explain. And this is the most BS-free shit I’m gonna say here. There is nothing. Nothing, because it is uncreated, is eternal, an infinite set of mathematical energy. This is the universal self which is metaphysically, a mirror with nothing to reflect on. This tiny mirror, sliver of consciousness, morphed and twisted itself like a pretzel to face itself. This created an infinite reflection that created consciousness, as self reference. You are that mirror right now. Everything around you is a reflection of yourself. It is situated right where your imaginary face used to be. You are literally infinite. How else would you perceive things that seem to be far away from you? You are like a 360 degree camera situated everywhere and anywhere. The entire universe is your true body. You don’t control your body. The “air” or “space” around you is nothingness and it basically uses your imaginary body like a puppet. It is all a dream happening nowhere. Whoever is reading this is right now God. There aren’t two instances of consciousness running at the same time. That doesn’t mean that a SCENE is not real. Many characters can partake in the scene but they’re not “on” as you are. In this way God is democratic. Every character gets to have the absolute consciousness as it is required, absolute and necessary. You are something, impregnating nothing with your consciousness. You exist. That’s it. You are the animating force of the entire universe. Thats what you are. The void, or reflection-less mirror upon which all lifetimes will appear. You are pure love, pure unity.

It does/doesn't end. It ends/begins in God/Absolute Nothingness/Infinity. If you just kept on going during trips, and totally surrender no matter what happens or for how long. After an eternity, you literally experience all of existence and become so infinite that all dualities merge. Because it is absolutely non-dual, this is impossible to describe in language. All dualities become non-dual, and that becomes dual, and becomes non-dual, and infinite, and finite, and existence, and non-existence, and so on... Once you experience this end/beginning, you simply are what you are in everyday existence. In fact, existence is indescribably beautiful in comparison to non-existence/God (Which is also infinitely beautiful). So, in contrast, they make each other infinitely more infinitely beautiful. Thus you just are aware of what you are and what existence is at all times and appreciate all that is, and just be and love and enjoy yourself.

It’s been years trying to understand how physical sensations within direct experience are illusory.. It can understand that something can arise out of nothing and that nothing is the source for everything, it also gets that IT IS everything that is occuring within its field of experience without heirarchy.. Sure… but like existence is occurring for the perceiver that’s observing it… physical objects may arise out of nothingness and are only sensations that the (no-self) is experiencing, but it can’t just be a conceptual idea that you as an identification doesn’t exist and therefore is the illusion… What I don’t get is happening prior to the language used to conceptualise it. I can’t deny that I directly need this thing we call oxygen for survival, like that’s actually occurring for me in this present moment… nothing outside of my direct experience is occurring and there is no self to directly experience it anyway (so they say).. so how could it exist if it’s not existing and if it’s not existing then how can you explain the sensations experienced?… an imagination within the infinite mind… It seems like Enlightenment is just a way to describe our infinite nature, yet somehow our finite bodies don’t encompass physicality?? I know, I get it, I’m self deceived and such …. .. but how tho? How can the illusion run without something to experience it?

It can take a lot of consciousness. Train meditation and contemplation. All kinds of things can produce mystical experiences. Eventually mystical experiences can be essentially DONE -- since reality itself is recognized to be the deepest mystical experience possible, already... But I digress... Before you get to that point, anyway... One thing that can induce a mystical experience is to imagine 2 people -- one giving an object to the 2nd, and the 2nd obviously receiving the object... "Unify" that. Sort of just imagine being one of them, and the other, at the same time... With the transfer of the "object" in view. Feel how it's almost a higher dimension and timeless "shape." Now you might access a sort of "next level" above this reality, and you can explore that Imaginal realm in a timeless fashion -- giving and receiving happening "at the same time" timelessly... Notice how cause and effect is a sham. Go deeper. Expand. Make an art out of it... Notice the miracle of it. Notice how it's empty perception floating in nothingness with no separate person aware of it -- it's just miraculously, and perhaps even terrifyingly, WHAT IT IS... If it doesn't blow your mind, it's not what I'm trying to convey. It's almost impossible to convey, but yeah, go ahead and try it. Knock yourself out. Preferably after a brief meditation sit or at least after warming up by noting or breath counting, etc.

Perhaps, but I did go back to watch the beginning of the video and now I do get the bigger picture. Its a meta-perspective that goes beyond just escaping society as a human being who hunts for his own food and lives off the grid. A perspective that looks at the bigger picture of how society works, how it constructs itself, and it analyzes it at its core. I do think that it goes both ways though, to question and escape society at the meta-level perspective as presented in the video, should also eventually lead us to escape society at the physical level as well. If not then my point still stands, it's all just mental masturbation, it's intellectualization for entertainment. How could we discuss the illusions of society but then still partake in the illusion of society? That's like listening to motivational self-help advice to help you get off your ass, but then in reality you do agree with the advice but you still sit on the couch playing video games eating Doritos & drinking Mountain Dew. Maybe this is the bigger-picture that we're missing here, it's all just mental masturbation. To deny this I would say is justification. "Wow cool ideas about society!" *Proceeds to work a 9-5, browse the internet, watch TV, play video games, shop at the grocery store, participate in social activities* This is also a response to @RendHeaven And edit: I do understand what you're saying RendHeaven. I call it mental masturbation because I don't see how exactly the information presented in that video is practical. Leo even admits its the ultimate conspiracy theory. It's sort of the same thing as saying life is an illusion, but what can we actually do with that information? I guess it just leads to more understanding, and maybe that's what we're all here to do, to understand reality, but still, mental masturbation. Maybe it helps guide us with our psychedelic trips, to understand these deeper concepts. The theory that life is an illusion certainly made sense of an acid trip I had. I died and the illusion of life just vanished completely into nothingness.

We want the very thing we are the most afraid of– Love, Union, Death. These words are synonymous and are the reason why we are so fucking confused in this life. We want to love but we won't let ourselves die– so how can we love? We want union but are afraid to lose our separation– so how can we unite? We are like moths who go toward the light because it is all we desire. But when reaching it we pull away because we sense death when we are close. Well, what we intuit is true. We will die when we let ourselves Love. When we reach the light it burns us to heaven. To love is to lose yourself. It is why people love watching t.v., love playing a sport, a game, or conversating. It's why people love going to sleep. All of your worries, stress, anxieties, fears, limitations– they are gone. They are out the window because you are out of the window. You are gone with the wind; one with the wind. Our self is dead. Suddenly we are everything. To love is to become something bigger. Have you heard of synergy? Synergy is what you are, not either of the two making it up. Are you brave enough to let yourself become this nothingness? Bravery is not a choice it's a commitment. You are either committed or not, there is no in-between. Have you noticed that the best players, athletes, fighters, snowboarders, business leaders, even porn stars, are the ones that fully commit? A person that shreds down a mountain at incredible speeds, a person that rides across a wave, walks across a tightrope, flys between a mountain range in a wingsuit. These people are free because they are brave. They are brave because they let themselves go and fully commit to the unknown. To death. To Love.

if I am God, why would I need to imagine anything? to imagine this reality, humans, me, Leo, or whatever? why not just be God and have pure nothingness as it was for infinity before?

This is life and death simultaneously. In your direct experience, see this. No one dies, because after death you’re either: dead and know it (not dead), or dead and not know it (not dead). There will not be an experience of nothingness, that’s for sure.

You did experience God and Love. It's just too radical for your mind to fathom it because you dove in too deep too fast. Rather than vaping 5-MeO, plug it instead and you will have a much better time and also deeper insight. Blasting yourself into Nothingness is not so helpful because you're not actually contemplating the nature of reality as you would do on a more gradual plugged trip. Lower your doses and contemplate reality.

Yūgen is an important concept in traditional Japanese aesthetics. The exact translation of the word depends on the context. Yūgen is not an allusion to another world. It is about this world, this experience… “To watch the sun sink behind a flower clad hill. To wander on in a huge forest without thought of return. To stand upon the shore and gaze after a boat that disappears behind distant islands. To contemplate the flight of wild geese seen and lost among the clouds…” –Zeami Motokiyo Japanese aesthetic ideals are most heavily influenced by Japanese Buddhism. In the Buddhist tradition, all things are considered as either evolving from or dissolving into nothingness. This “nothingness” is not empty space. It is rather a space of potentiality. If the seas represent potential then each thing is like a wave arising from it and returning to it. There are no permanent waves. There are no perfect waves. At no point is a wave complete, even at its peak. Nature is seen as a dynamic whole that is to be admired and appreciated. This appreciation of nature has been fundamental to many Japanese aesthetic ideals, “arts,” and other cultural elements. In this respect, the notion of “art” (or its conceptual equivalent) is also quite different from Western traditions.. Japanese aesthetics is a set of ancient ideals that include “wabi” (transient and stark beauty), “sabi” (the beauty of natural aging), and “yūgen.” These ideals, and others, underpin much of Japanese cultural and aesthetic norms.. Thus, while seen as a philosophy in Western societies, the concept of aesthetics in Japan is seen as an integral part of daily life.

I was thinking about how to survive jail. But then I thought - what I'm trying to survive ? I'm trying to survive nothingness. There is nothing to survive. When I was a child, I survived poverty. When I was an adult, I survived loss and pain. Loneliness. I don't like sunlight. It hurts my eyes. In jail, there's little light. I live in my chamber, locked away with little light coming in. I have to walk to the bars to be able to see light. This is an island. Very little activity here. My cell is placed away from the sun. So I hardly get sunlight. Only a few rays that enter through the slit at the side of the door. There's makeshift arrangement outside my cell that pretty much blocks a lot of the sunlight coming in. Some days they move the makeshift, and on those days there's ample sunlight coming in. I feel a bit abnormal sitting in this prison. Whatever you call it jail, prison. Prison seems like a strong word and a modern word. I prefer calling this jail. It's an old style of referring things. Before I can think of how my life will be after jail, let me think about how my life is being in jail... One thing....it feels like liberation. Nothing to worry. What can be a worse punishment than this, a worse form of ostracization ? They say I shouldn't torture myself. So I decided to torture myself in the worst manner possible.

I’m seeing more and less efficacy in my old patterns of limitations. What this loss of an ultimate working model over and over again to where what’s working can seem to somehow be less resistance than what came before. Ultimately any map of enlightenment is not the territory, unless you are using insight or concentration aspects to investigate the territory within the map which gives rise in some odd way to both the ability to hold religious God full-fledged, absolutely unobtainable new attainments in my focus long enough to investigate the pointed to sensate illusion outside of current sensate illusion that is the always YOU created thing. Jesus depends on you for relevancy at least as much as you rely on him. Trust me. You can forget the highest amazing live realms of Jesus over and over again because they simply do not produce lasting (permanent ground to reality being finally seen as FULL ILLUSION AND TRUTH ALWAYS IN SUPERPOSITION OF YOUR IMAGINATION OF LIMITATIONS WHICH CREATE YOUR WHOLE PERCEPTUAL CAPABILITIES IN WAYS WHICH WOULD MIND FUCK SKULL FUCK YOU IN SUCH A GRUESOME WAY THAT YOU WOULD APPRECIATE THE NEW FRESHNESS THAT DUKKHA HAS SHOWN UP AS AGAIN. If you want the hottest girlfriend, realize that dukkha is the crazy chick who would never leave you whose love you don’t even deserve and avoid as you’re afraid of unopening your current illusion to another in the normal human experience of sex. I remember when I first attained to clairsentience & telepathy the first thing I wanted to create my now properly understood and appreciated aspect of the source of my longest lasting and deepest fear of aliens more powerful than me. Then I realized what they are on a self-love level and they can’t access enlightenment in their conception of self. They say it’s just a big black wall. They are formless god damn masters just as much as ANY born human ever is. A true self experience of a rock becoming enlightened or unenlightenment or the perspective of unenlightened beings is true and undeniable insight if that is the basis of perception your form has and the only door you have is impermanence. The form crumbles away. Gets thrown through a black hole, worm hole, and shat on by an omnidimensional formless seagull Godhead of nausea turning to rapture that pisses you off at it’s arising and passing away making you realize the unequanimous aspects of your power vs. non power feeling of achievement, greatness, and happiness which produces less aversion to bliss and dukkha as the same lover and hater of what makes you a human you and every YOU beyond human to produce the most imperceptible sense of something beyond just change to progress further in insight. Imagining how the unenlightenment of God process works in God Realization and enlightenment seems to be almost more fruitful than thinking of awakening as forward progress which does not last as an ultimate motion in some ever-present ultimate consciousness. Ultimate consciousness comes from a lack of even more wacky ultimate realities like hard formless Nothingness, neither perception nor nonperception, or the cessation of perception and feeling. If you haven’t lost the ability to stop or start the cessation of all consciousness, how do you describe that unimaginable sense of complete erasure and nonexistence which seems like where you might have come from? How do you knowingly design the unenlightenment process with this paradigm-locked false ultimate reality without ultimately becoming smaller and subtler WITHIN and outside of consciousness but even moreso in the superposition of ultimate faith of unknowing which is much more like true, effective knowledge of how to control reality comes from perceiving and dropping and coming back to every sensate experience ever held within your illusory character’s illusion of truth. That is the only starting point for the uncovering of the complex and ever-dependent interactions between the holon of Indra’s Web of superposition fluxing between all aspects of reality at once through imagination which is ultimately one of the best tools to actually do unimaginable and indescribable things. There’s a reason nondual teachings don’t work. You attach to a nondual reality which means all is self and that is the very process of investigation into direct no-self as the logical necessity of any self vs. non-self axis of phenomena which could be perception, experience or not. None of this will work for you unless you work hard, get lucky, or likely both. Luckily causal frameworks of reality are built into any true insight framework which solidifies the story from which to work from. That’s another way of saying, due to karma, you will experience the arising and passing away of enlightenment. You will become enlightened. It just is a bit more fun from the human perspective than the rock perspective for most people other than a mad yogi whose really going deep past the illusions of past humanness which would have given him aversion to incredibly subtle awareness like only really having impermanence in a way that life can perceive your experience. Then you have a problem of how you could be boundless consciousness or even infinite consciousness but not also be the consciousness that awakens the rock that you detune God Reality to be able to perceive in this special, human way. Humans want to find aliens more to understand the nature of what humans truly are rather than actually know what an alien is and forget humanness. This is the selfish perspective of the honest karmic relationship between seemingly different forms or non forms. You only really care about others to in some way help yourself as the intuition of true self/no self beyond a temporary illusion easily formed in consciousness is what makes up the process of enlightenment. Tearing down. Building. Change. Growth. New attainments overshadowing old. Giving you a new fresh experience of being even more directly controllable consciousness which is precisely what you are not ENTIRELY. This is the unspeakable part of teaching and insight. It’s how you can’t make better perfect from perfect other than perceiving bliss as a perfect dukkha nowhere which makes it seems lastingly satisfying.

@VeganAwake, @BipolarGrowth thank you! Good to hear I was traversing known territory. Before the sessions I set the intention to be taken as far as I could go in terms of understanding :). @Inliytened1 , logically though, the void to have the quality of love doesn't make sense as then it would not be nothingness. To experience the void and omniscience as one seems contradictory - amazing that you had such an experience.