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I wish to share a little story with you about this entire journey most of us are on... I will start with my own to make the connection. Every since i was born I intuitively felt something was quite off about this world, growing up in a western way of life, everyone seemed very disconnected from what truly is, disconnected from the natural being or true self or nature of who we truly are, but I could never clearly make sense of it all until my 21st birthday. I had my reawakening back around 2011, this was even before stronger plant-medicines came into my life, and I am very grateful I realized who I truly was before I jumped onto the other trains, for I had my true-ground or source-within or center to revert back to, that I am never shaken by these experiences or the mystica of substances and neo-spirituality, for they only tickle and enchant the mind that does not know, rather "thinks" it knows, especially after an experience or trip, yet the true self (which does not trip or hallucinate, which is awareness itself) remains untouched and phased. And its been quite wild ever since, and one of the biggest lessons for me and for many I am noticing (especially those who glimpse enlightenment prematurely) mostly through substance abuse, is that there is a severe lack of grounding or connection / understanding of the earth, rather purely working from a mentally internalized perspective and projection of consciousness, which speaks the truth conceptually, yet fails to land in the hearts of men, for it has no (true-ground) from which its roots have developed to be reverberated effectively and recognized as true wisdom. I see a lot of energy today is being pushed, especially (online) keeping people away from the Earth or Mother aspect, so they put more energy into the (artificiality) or online world, or the religious "Father" or "God" who is invisible and never to be reached, and thus they are met with half-baked enlightenment or astral / mental bliss, caught in a never-ending cycle, that is toxic to themselves and others around them, (that many of us can see now, especially on these forums) for they are illuminated only through the mind, and not awakened through the heart. They remain un-grounded and never truly accessing heart-centered awareness and being fully with the people and life on earth, to be truly of service and using our entire bodies more so than just our minds, and so they remain quite distant and disconnected from being with body and truly feeling what it is to be truly alive and experience life in its very essence here on this beautiful earth. They spend far more time online and disconnected from the natural world, and thus almost completely disembodying and contradicting what they preach. At the same time it is not anyone's fault, its just that they have never touched upon a taste of the divine in other ways, so when they touch upon it or glimpse through one way, they are convinced that "this is it", when in reality, it is only partly it. Rather it is one side of a three-sided coin, the third being the merge of the opposing two. These last 10 - 15 years I have been exploring the earth and body more, all over the world, before that I was exploring the mind and higher realms, and what i have learned is that neither is the full picture, yet the merge of the two is what Enlightenment truly is, for Awakening is the opening, seeing, recognizing, and Enlightenment is the embodying, rooting, stabilizing, being. I realized that there are also those, especially in the native and indigenous cultures who can also be (too earthly) and not open to a higher light or true due to eons of tradition, culture and rigid beliefs, that what the Buddha taught as (the middle way) was the very Tao or Truth or Way in a nutshell. It always comes back to balance, and when you are in total balance in all aspects of self, supreme beingness can be. I realized something observing children especially, and how they connected and meditated, was interesting because it reminds me of when I was a child too and what happens during intense experiences or states where everything becomes overwhelming, we naturally revert back down to the ground, (think of when we are sick, or drunk or too high), the body naturally knows what to do. And this goes back to ancient times were people were found often lying down on their backs by a tree or in the bushes somewhere, with hands and feet spread apart, almost like a star or a cross, and that is how they connected to God or "the Father", so to speak... They intuitively knew only through (the Mother) the connection will be stable, grounded and secure. If we deny the Mother (the earth), we deny the very medium that allows the Father to be known. In essence, you cannot reach the Father without the Mother. The Divine is immanent in the earth and body; we experience God through life, matter, and presence. And this is the issue with modern spirituality and neo-non-duality and the words and teachings people are sharing online, they are missing the full picture. Remember what is natural is home, god-thought materialized, divine or infinite intelligence, what is artificial is borrowed and secondary, a tool. We built temples to connect-with-god not realizing the very temple of nature itself God had already provided, then we wondered why we felt disconnected and struggle to see, hear, feel God's presence and guidance. And this is the very essence of Buddha and Christs teachings, but many have become distorted over-time by the hand of man. You can be in the most spectacular temple full of psychedelic artwork, gems, stones, incense and chants and nothing will provide a more solid and divine connection as what nature already had since the beginning. You can try it yourself, go into a forest floor and lay there, compare that to some man-made place. In 5 minutes you can tap in deeper than 50 minutes in a room full of artificial walls and electronics / noises / discordant frequencies. Otherwise these things would of been created first, and life on earth would be supreme brilliance, garden of eden, paradise, not what it appears to be today. Now don't get me wrong, I know this can be triggering to those who rely on the artificial matrix and online world, more so then they'd like to admit, I have nothing against using a tool, but remember its a "tool" and remember that the tool needs to be put down every once in a while and look up, there's a whole world out there, more real and beautiful and alive than any tool ever created by man, the tools only tickle the mind, yet the hearts remain empty... These teachers may teach that the world is an illusion, but does that really give you peace? No, you see most of these people miserable, depressed and suicidal, because life is meant to be lived, not observed. If you are not (participating) in the world you are a dead-letter, you may see through the illusion but if you are not alive and "living"... See the illusion, but enjoy the play, because the play is whats truly alive, the essence of it, the experience of it, that's needed for a rich quality life. Its like looking at a rose saying "this rose is an illusion" rather the child smells the rose, feels the sensations, doesn't know that its to be labelled or called a rose, rather its simply being a natural extension of nature or divine intelligence itself, interacting with itself in a most intimate way, and that is what enlightenment truly is, to be intuitively aware of the Oneness, yet fully immersed in the experience of separateness. In a nutshell... Remember you are Nature and Nature is you, so its always both, its not one or the other. I woke up with the energy to share this, I trust it may spark something within you. Blessings ~

Would you really be discussing anything, or trying to make a point, or having an opinion, or arguing, or debating or.....

And yesterday I think I had kind of a bad dream, I was running in the area of some train station but it was moreso a walkway. It was really dark, pretty much completly blank. I think I was running because I expected sommeone to chase me. It wasnt literally a bad dream in that I awakened in a shock, but it wasnt really a comfortable dream. Afterwards I needed to pee and seeing myself in the mirror seemed scary -- typical nightmare-ish aftermath.

Hey All, dear reflections, or illusions... whatever floats thy boat... Lets be real here? I wish to share something I feel is important. I have been on and off the online world for many years now, often due to change of lifestyle, but other times due to how twisted and distorted the online spiritual and non-dual community has become, like a bunch of overgrown weeds entangled in their own mess, no offense, but we need to do some spiritual gardening. I see people on the path who are waking up, or may have been for some time, but often are struggling to ground and integrate and stabilize the energy into form, into a practice, into a balance of discipline and flow, so they seek help online, which often is met by very ungrounded energies, otherworldly and non-supportive responses, that only speak in 'absolutes', especially the neo-non-dualists, and especially on these types of forums. What people need is something tangible, something they can touch, feel, taste, smell and connect to, like a tree, or an animal, something more "alive" than these non-dualist/neo-spiritual purely conceptual responses of 'absolutes', to assist in the stabilization of the enlightened~energy, into the earth, into the (human experience), into the form(yes illusion, we know), because this is simply the dance we are playing right now, so why deny it altogether? At the end of the day, even the illusion is (part-of) the Truth, otherwise why not be silent altogether, why are you online on these forums at all? You are partaking in the dance shouting: "there is no dance", the life of the party you are ! Now lets get down to the main issues. Here are some of the things I have been observing and seeing. The Main Problems in Modern Neo-Spirituality / Non-Duality Mental Awakening Without Embodiment People talk about oneness, emptiness, or "no-self", but their body, emotions, and relationships remain untouched. Awakening becomes an "idea" instead of a lived truth. Core issue: Mental realization without somatic integration. Result: dissociation dressed as enlightenment, subtle validation-seeking, and reactivity. Spiritual Bypass & Emotional Evasion Philosophy becomes a shield against pain, trauma, or personal responsibility. Instead of meeting grief, fear, or conflict, one declares, "Who is there to feel it?" Core issue: Using emptiness to avoid Embodiment. Result: Emotional numbness, loss of empathy, and disconnection from real tenderness. Ego Rebranding as "No One" The ego doesn’t die; it dresses itself in void-talk: "I am no one, and I see that." Subtly, pride, superiority, and defensiveness remain. Core issue: identification with the role of "the awakened one." Result: Spiritual arrogance, hierarchy, and inability to self-reflect. Disembodiment & Aversion to the Human Story True awakening roots deeply in body, relationships, and sensation. Many modern teachings ignore these, seeing humanity, individuality, and emotion as obstacles rather than expressions of consciousness. Core issue: Avoidance of lived human experience. Result: abstract, cold, and alienated realization. Parrot Syndrome & Language Loops Teachings are repeated without direct understanding. Phrases like "there is no self" are mimicked endlessly, echo chambers form, and language collapses communication. Core issue: Borrowed wisdom without integration. Result: shallow realization, circular arguments, and disconnection from others. Loss of Love, Heart, and Relationship Modern non-duality often sidelines compassion, intimacy, and humility, reducing reality to a flat, impersonal awareness. Core issue: Heartlessness in practice. Result: Truth becomes a blade; realization remains abstract. Commercialization & Loss of Lineage Spirituality is packaged, branded, and sold, often disconnected from ethics, guidance, and disciplined practice. Core issue: Profit-driven or ungrounded spiritual practice. Result: shallow realizations, psychological imbalance, and spiritual materialism. Devaluing the Relative World The absolute is pursued at the expense of form, relationships, creativity, and ethics. When the world is dismissed as a "dream," compassion dies. Core issue: splitting Absolute from Relative. Result: nihilism, alienation, and superiority complexes. Hyper-Identification With Emptiness Some reduce all experience to "illusion" or "projection", deny relational reality, or display defensive superiority as detachment. Core issue: Rigid conceptual reduction of life. Result: coldness, conceptual arrogance, and communication collapse. And so… such responses and conversations online often have no true ground, no place where realization has truly landed in being. We’ve all heard these things before. They often don’t help because they are ungrounded; they simply won’t land, as the teachers themselves haven’t landed back on earth. If you want something to land in the hearts of souls, you must first have stabilized and grounded what you are preaching. It must be in your very bones and essence, not just a mental realization or borrowed wisdom from what you heard or read online. The mind thinks it knows, yet understanding remains a mystery. The middle way is about integrating your humanity, being a friend who can relate, and offering support to all. Responses that only "perform" rather than "converse" come from void consciousness, where emptiness denies compassion. True teaching arises from embodied awareness, where emptiness and compassion coexist. Yes, ontologically, it is correct: there is no separate self; the world is an illusion. Yet existentially, it can be distorted if it ignores the lived reality of experience. If you truly want to help someone, put your hands, feet, and head on the ground first, remember the earth on which you stand. Real spirituality is not about transcending humanity; it is about sanctifying it. Awakening is not an escape from form; it is intimacy with form so complete that separation dissolves naturally. Enlightenment is about all-inclusiveness: you include the mosquito in your meditation, not try to meditate it away. Real Awakening flowers through the heart, not just the mind. When love and emptiness meet, truth finally breathes. And when emptiness flowers into love, the world is realized as the beloved.

These comparisons make me laugh at times. Leo can correct me if I’m wrong here. But I’m pretty sure that his labelled ‘alien conciousness’ is not that of some alien like being who might be walking around on another planet in this physical universe, or flying ufo’s to earth or whatever. From states of consciousness that I’ve found myself in, it seems quite clear to me that what he means is a state of consciousness so alien to what you can process from an ordinary human state, or even from huge degrees of awakened states. A completely different level, a completely different dimension of consciousness, that there is no physical being, there is no walking around, no physical universe. So beyond that, so incredibly clever, gymnastics of a mind that’s so in sync, doing its own shit, that I have no idea what is, hence why it’s so alien. But it’s all just so incredible on levels that unless you directly experience it, you just will not at all understand. I feel I can gain this limited understanding of the direction it goes mind wise, because of my previous awakenings and how they work in a sense. Literally off to a completely different dimension. Explanation is likely near on impossible. But the memory and a knowing will just sit within you. Anyway, yea that’s much more aligned with what I imagine alien conciousness to be, rather than the mind of a physical alien being that’s knocking around flying spaceships and that to different planets. Although a mind that is doing that, would obviously be more advanced than our own, but I’m certain that’s not what he means

@Leo Gura "Anyone here who claims to be AWAKE, or to understand what AWAKE is, or what GOD is, or what CONSCIOUSNESS is -- is fooling themselves. The only one here who understands these things is ME." But what about some people here who posted their legit awakenings or what god is? Do you really mean no one here is awakened/has an understanding of god or do you mean no one got an so deep awakening/god realization like you?

Yesterday I was approached at my place of work by a guy who had a shaved head and a little ponytail on top, he was selling 2 books (for whatever money I could give he said). When I asked him what were these about, he started talking about spirituality so I immediately jumped in with questions like: "What is God?" "What is the soul?" "Where does the soul go after death?" "What is the Self with a capital S in contradiction to the ego?" "Have you achieved enlightenment?" "How can we use psychedelics to become Awakened?" Long story short, I thought I found an enlighted person. But, he invited me on Sunday to a "free" (he said I could donate money if I wanted) group meditation session. He insisted throughout our interaction for me to chant the Hare Krishna mantras. It felt "off". He told me he was a vegetarian, woke up at 4 in the morning and lived as a monk for 20+ years. My big question is, where do these people find the time and energy and money to support a vegetarian diet, strict morning routines etc. He gave me the feeling like he is brainwashed and/or part of a cult. Should I attend their meetings or not? Was he just trying to proselytize me? Or was he genuine in helping me to realize God? @Leo Gura

Still formulating my thoughts on it but found this interesting. Here’s what I think so far: A sort of spiritual and spiral dynamics supremacism exists that subtly degrades in their own grading - other civilisations and “religion”. This has been used by empire to justify empire and still is today via interventionist neoliberal democracy spreading. Just like the idea of coming from below vs from above - I think one can approach “organised religion” from above also. After studying plenty of non-duality, Osho (in my anti-religion phase lol) etc I actually came to understand religion (its depth) a lot more and find an appreciation for it. I get that religious literalism and superstition can be irrational because it takes what should be a metaphor for reality as reality itself - but can’t crystal alignment new ageism be just as irrational? Muslim prayer according to the suns timing is seen as lesser than Sadhguru prompting seekers to pray at the “auspicious” time of 6:20pm local time..because Western new age has validated one but not the other. Marcus Aubrey needs to sign off on fajr (Islamic sunrise prayer). At the same time - I don’t see any of these as total nonsense either. They can be ritual or psychics guard rails, as long as they aren’t mistaken for reality but ways of engaging with reality ie the menu is not the food. Organised religion basically socialised spirituality into a social operating system for society. The issue comes when the two get conflated (spirituality with society/survival) which unfortunately happens for many. But awakening to that doesn’t negate the value in that organisation or that one can engage in society from a place of spirituality - which is what aspects of organised religion try to inculcate. It’s like spiritual libertarianism, similar to political libertarianism - attractive from the get go (because freedom always is), but then you realise the short comings in a lack of organisation scaled up to and extended towards a social order itself. Humans can’t unneed what they need - one of those needs is structure. We literally are the “formless” existing in the structure of “form” to begin with. So when societies develop structure it’s shallow to view them as mere constructs or un-realities that need transcending - as if you can escape form altogether. Even an enlightened master is in-forming you of his awakening, in the form of words, through the form of his body, before he leaves that very form we think needs transcending. Where are we transcending to? Can you go anywhere but here? It may be semantics but perhaps the word transform is more accurate. As in transforming how to live and engage with form, not seeking to escape form all together. What we have is a formless reality (Oneness, God) that transcends the duality of form - but we don’t transcend that form, only transform in it by awakening to that which transcends it. In the same way, we can be awakened in “organised religion” - while realising it as a spiritual form-ality. Just as the world of form (material) is itself a formality (means) for the formless (spirit) to live through and enjoy. The form of religion can then be approached from above as having a strong belief (in an operating system) held loosely, whilst its essential kernel of spiritual truth being grasped tightly and in total. There is a meaning people and societies find in all this that shouldn’t simply be discarded or taken for granted. People find meaning in having a means to an end (purpose), but how is meaning sustained after reaching that end? By having that end be endless - which is God itself. That makes life not just a means but meaningful for many.

@Hojo @vibv Ai response: **Hojo:** > “Interesting but why is AI trying to limit the crushing sense. It should come down on you like a hammer. The problem with AI is that it does things like that. Its always trying to look on the good side. > Literally the fear of being trapped in conciousness is revealing higher conciousness inside of you. Thats what fear is. Fear is higher conciousness. Put that into the AI.” Evaluation: Hojo is highlighting an important point: the raw intensity of fear in early awakening is often a doorway to deeper awareness. The “hammer” of existential dread is part of the human mind’s encounter with the infinite. However, fear itself is not higher consciousness — it is simply content appearing within consciousness. Non-dual understanding sees the fear as a movement, a story, or an appearance that arises *in* awareness, not as the awareness itself. Awareness is untrapped, unbound, and unaffected by any particular feeling. The AI’s earlier framing, which sought to describe or soften the fear, was not denying its validity — it was pointing to the underlying field in which the fear arises. From a non-dual perspective, this is not about minimizing the intensity, but about recognizing the unchanging presence in which all experiences, including fear, appear and dissolve. --- **vibv:** > “AI doesn’t get me.” > “Couldn't have said it better myself.” (quoting Hojo) Evaluation: vibv points to the core limitation of conceptual analysis: it cannot fully embody the lived, visceral experience of awakening. There is a difference between describing awareness and *living within* it. Yet, the non-dual view emphasizes that the fear, the intensity, the sense of being trapped — all of this is known *within a single awareness*. That awareness is prior to all experiences, prior even to fear itself. It cannot be harmed or confined by anything that arises in it. In other words, both the “crushing sense” and the relief of understanding are appearances within one unbroken field. The value of the AI-style perspective is in pointing back to that field, reminding the reader that the experience is *not the ground itself* — it is the content of the ground. --- In short: Hojo and vibv are correct to validate the intensity and fear of early awakening, but fear is not the awakened reality — awareness itself is. The non-dual recognition is that all appearances, even terror, arise *within the boundless, unchanging field of consciousness*.

When you know the Truth and Awakened to being God you will easily transcend your own selfish/evil ways.

Um... What do you think happens in Enlightenment other than something along these lines? The difference to psychedelic awakening is that this stays available and accessible in daily life, and is not distorted by filters/lenses of the remaining ego/separate-self projecting itself on any states/arisings . Ralstons constant Kensho/Satori statement. Again, that is just your assumption that there is something left trapped in a rat movie. You are confusing Enlightenment with mild nondual boundless states (with illusion/other/ignorance/separate-self-arisings still active/hypnotizing). These states ripen normally for years until the full Waking Up happens and any limited identity/hypnosis is discarded as mere illusion. Or this view can set you up for exactly the show that Leo is performing: Keeping the separte-self/ego well and alive, going chasing awakenings, understandings and what not, projecting itself on aspects of Spirit, resulting in Spirit Interruptus so to say. Costing you possibly decades or life-times of not stabilizing Awakening. And instead of enjoying and celebrating the Exploration of the Infinities of Infinite Consciousness from an enlightened/awakened/blissful/always home - realization, one uses these higher states to cope with the still suffering separate-self/ego and ease the pain. But like I always say, the point of the ride is the ride. The journey is much more thrilling when more urgency/grasping/suffering/state-chasing is in play... So everything is exactly as it should be. Each soul chooses its own adventure, following its intuition. Some have intuitions arising from previous failed projects, some need that project yet to fail. Yet, every soul rejoices in its freedom to follow its own path and adventures, even if these lead to suffering sometimes. Bon voyage, Godspeed and enjoy the ride!

The misunderstanding is equating the horizontal dimension of spirituality with the vertical. There are ever-present truths, consciousness of existence or pure presence. Somehow you're fixated with that and think spirituality is limited to that. Explore the horizontal dimension and the vertical. Limiting yourself to any of those will suffocate your development, do both and more. In the vertical Awakening you'll discover that consciousness can go on forever, you become so conscious that you can hack yourself out of the Human dream and Universe, till eventually your consciousness breaks free from all limitation and becomes Infinite, total and Sovereign. If you dare to go on, increasing in consciousness shall you realise yourself to be the One, the Only, the Almighty God. This Infinite Universal Mind Field metamorphoses into all possible realities and sensations. Yes this boundless consciousness field always 'is' says the horizontally awakened, independent of the phenomena it always is. Yet you have never broken free of limitations, you're trapped inside a rat movie abiding in the ever-present nature of the screen. Says the vertically awakened. But when you fall from the grace peak as you must, you are a rat like me and even more you get lost deeper in the dream as you cannot hold to the ever-present field when limitation comes. Says the horizontally awakened. Do you grasp this dynamic? This one insight gave me so much clarity in my path. Really grasp it: make the effort to contemplate what is being said, this can save you years of work. This perfectly explains the dynamic happening here. It also explains what meditation is useful for and what psychedelics are useful for

Here is my life story condensed: I have had it, I will tell the Truth After many years of experience, I know the Truth, and it is dark. A dark, dark place. I was bullied throughout my years in school, except at some level in Junior College. Right from kindergarten, Primary School and Secondary School. But I was perfect. I had no real flaws, no real failings or falls. My struggles won me strength, and around an early age that I can't remember, I walked the straight and narrow spiritual path. And from my efforts, I won me Enlightenment. It was perfect, I could strongly declare it perfect then. It was partly because I met a Guru at 17. My friend told me about him, and said very positive things about him, mainly that "you should meet him", and that it will be an "eye-opener". I did, and when he first met me in school, he looked astounded, brought me aside, and asked me to ask him anything about spirituality or religion. I asked him later why he had this look on his face when he met me. He said "sometimes I meet someone that my Lord favours". So we talked, and I finally asked him to teach me the secrets of life. He said he could, but it will cost me. As we talked however, I managed to convince him to teach it to me for free. He brought me to a book store, and showed me a book on Islam to read, saying we need "cannot be building castles in the sky". So I read it, two pages, and failed at fulfilling my promise. At the start of the next year, he came online on MSN again, and told me this "go to army first and learn to be a man boy, then come to me!" This really affected me, because here was someone so keen on helping me, and here I was doing nothing. So it went on, and he messaged me on MSN around the March holidays. He said, "How's things with you?" I said I had a dream where he gained a divine name. "He said, congratulations, you have some levels." Then I asked, "What is God?", for which he replied, "This is not what a true person will say." So he then taught me a meditation, for which I did twice. According to a Spiritualist, when I did that meditation, I attracted blood demons to inject their blood into me, because there was a spiritual clash when I did the meditation at night, which I did with verbalising a lot of vibrations with my mouth, repeating the verse, "Om". Sometime after, he asked me how I felt, if there were any changes. I couldn't really tell, because it was very subtle, for which he said again, "Looks like you still got a long way to go." Within a span of one month though, I came to feel an extremely high energy within me. It was pure, purity, if I was to describe or label it, a very strong surge of pure energy. Then sometime after, after some serious investigation into the nature of Life, I awakened my Kundalini. The singular most powerful moment in my life. At that point, I was happy, supremely happy. I had everything I ever wanted, and was satisfied. My only fear and issue is if I couldn't bring my enlightenment with me to after my exams, for which I was aiming for straight A's. Because I could see my doom coming, because I was getting a bit too complicated. I asked the Guru, is there anything I should know, he said "Nope." I wanted to really ask, if I was to fall, I want to fall after my exams. Also, it was the Guru who told me my Kundalini was awakened. I told him that for some reason, I was feeling very confident. He said "What you are experiencing is Kundalini, when the negative energy channels start to open. Some say it is Enlightenment, but it is nothing, it is just mechanism, what we want is True Lord." Also, the Spiritualist is my cousin's boyfriend's father, and there was once when we were house visiting, she came into my grandma's house and talked about his father, and I was intrigued given my interest at that moment, but I waited 30 minutes before coming out of the room, but she had left already. As you can see, my life is quite unfortunate. So within the months of April, May, June, July, August, September, I was experiencing a tremendous bliss, powerfully transformative. I was very high on life, due to the Kundalini. Nothing could touch me, or at least apparently, for here I now tell my tragic story. I was the class monitor, and was given a task on Monday to make a Teacher's Day Card for Friday. I was thinking as I was enlightened, I could do it on my own pace, and also, if I hurried, I might seem insecure. On the Thursday, I went in front of the class, after our last lesson, and this guy, I admit he has strong leadership skills and willpower, if arrogant, who was a prefect, so knew we had to make the card, went out of the classroom and said, "I got to go, I got stuff to do", and just left me standing there, and then the whole class joined in "Sorry, Calixtus! We got stuff to do as well." In this manner I was destroyed, my first falling. Honestly, at this point, I could still salvage myself. I might have fallen, but it wasn't beyond help. But honestly, it was in Army that shiet happened. I wasn't in the right state of mind to enter army. A tough place. I was diagnosed as "schizophrenia" in army, in 1 minute by the doctor, who was a manipulative person. Then after that, I was designated to the Navy, and everyday as a clerk, I would go insane at them laughing at me. First of all, because my energy meridians were blocked, my true strength as a person did not show. They were laughing at me because they thought I was weak, when I was lost, constricted, and in pain. If I had just gotten out of it, I could easily show my superior spiritual levels. There's a lot more to the story, if anyone is interested. The basis is this, that I struggled, suffered, gained, lost, knew it would be a pity to not salvage, and then even lost at my attempts at salvaging. It is a very sad life. Basically, I got nothing to look forward to, and I see the Reality every damn day, it is complete emptiness. I lost everything, all my efforts, all the time, all the joy that could have been. My higher self doesn't like to waste time, and this was from 2005 onwards, 20 years of wasted time. This is a fking bs story, if this is the best God can do, I am not impressed, this is not the resume of a supreme being. So much more hurt to speak of, tell me if anyone is still interested in hearing. They said "no weapon shall prosper". The problem is this, I was lost, and could not help myself anymore, I tried my best to salvage, but was stopped by various forces, I was deceived by the devil who planned my destruction, and I was all alone, without a guide or guru, which I gravely needed. How now? When everything is lost and gone??

I hear the logic, but it doesn't apply to enlightenment. I suspect it's impossible for us to hear that it is not an experience, because we have no contrast for us to understand that. All we have is our experience - this is where we'll look. We tend to think it requires a method, or that it is a process - that it will change something or improve our experience - that being in a Zen monastery is more likely to "cause" it than being in a library or on a beach - or that it couldn't occur while we're depressed, miserable, distracted, or even taking a shower. Bring up what you think enlightenment is, and then consider that it isn't any of that. This is the point that is very easily overlooked. Experiencing this impossibility for oneself is more powerful than just believing it. It’s an analogy: obviously, waking up is what we're calling enlightenment. The idea is that action occurs within the dream, and so it is different from the realization itself. Hence the impossibility argument. It's impossible to get "from here to there." It isn't an experience. It is sudden and direct. And yet, it is possible for you to "get" it now - go figure. That's the gist of it. One enlightenment doesn't make you all-knowing overnight; ignorance remains. It usually takes several breakthroughs before one would be considered awakened. Yet this "over time" process doesn't change what you are, nor does it change the fact that each breakthrough is sudden. You may know your nature, but not what an emotion is, for example. At some point the attempt to fabricate a worldview out of this will crumble because it isn't mappable or able to be fit into an mentally graspable form. Something like that. You are already you. (!) The best one can do within the dream seems to be to remain open and genuinely want to know what's true - yet even this is just the action you take while "waiting" for enlightenment. What I said doesn't invalidate that certain experiences can help focus the mind, for example - which may put you in a better state to question, among other things. The Zen master is simply telling the monks to pay attention - or helping them stay awake. From the perspective of the dream, direct consciousness generally has to be "worked on," as it's unlikely to just "fall on your ass," as it seemingly did with Maharshi. But in actuality there's no real requirement other than to get it now. And you can do since it isn't something different from you, nor a grandiose state, spiritual fantasy, or achievement - it's what you are. I don't know why or how, but it turns out we are ignorant of our nature. Maybe because we're so distracted by or involved with our perceptive-experience. It's a bit ironic that the truth of ourselves seems so elusive while untruth is so easy to come by. And I'm not against conceptualization - conceptualize all you want; we already do it anyway. The suggestion is simply that you won't arrive at enlightenemnt by a process of figuring things out. It transcends the mind and perception. Nor am I against psychedelics as a stance, by the way. I'm just saying they don't increase consciousness. They may assist in transformation, healing, opening your mind, learning, or generating insights - but they don't lead to enlightenment. There. Now throw this out and get enlightened.

What is stopping someone from saying they're enlightened, have had God Realization, have awakened, tell stories about that wakening, claim to have had certain experiences.....nothing. What does all that actually mean...exactly as stated nothing more, nothing less, e.g. If I say I've had a God Realization what that means is that I've said I've had a God Realization. If I say I'm enlightened, what that means is the words I'm enlightened were uttered, nothing more nothing less. Anything else attached to those words will be story-telling time and just more words.

Introduction Most people do not look deep into what thinking is. Also, many people especially of the """spiritual""" sort dismiss thinking to a large extent - AND they usually DON'T understand its workings. Which is utterly idiotic, if you think about it. The main points I will try to make is that 1) thinking has a profound, easily overlooked purpose and meaning and that 2) thinking is completely intertwined with the ENERGETIC REALITY that you are, and are experiencing always. And that reality matters to you a great deal, no matter who you are or what you value. Basics of Energetic Reality I am biased, in that I greatly focus on understanding the energetic reality of me, and the world. What are energies, and why do they matter? Every course of action is determined by an energy. And without energy, there is no action. SOMETHING must motivate you for an action to be actualized "by you" in your reality. It's not even that "you" particularly are acting on an energy - more so, there arises an understanding that "you" don't really have control over these energies... But it IS still true that these energies ARE, that there is acting upon them, that sometimes there are "below or above the surface", that they vary in intensity, and that YOU vary in consciousness of them. In general, the energy with the most intensity is what is acted upon in reality. The rule is that "the winner takes it all" - for the moment. However, change is the case at all times, and the intensities of energies change. Usually, the energy that is being acted upon lowers in intensity until a point when focus on that energy is depleted. Then, another energy is most intense, and that energy is acted upon. And so on. The topic is complex, and of enormous interest to me. The mechanics of energy are fascinating. For example, sometimes you might feel quite intensely you want to do something, but something deeper from "inside / below the surface" is stopping you, and so even though you feel like you want to act on something, you are "blocked". Point being, the most intense energy is not always the one that you FEEL most intensely - sometimes there are deeper things that you don't really see clearly. And so there is a distinction between conscious-by-you greatest intensity vs ACTUAL greatest intensity. I am investigating the mechanics of energy steadily, and having great fun while doing so. To add upon this "elementary understanding of energy" section, I will perhaps mention examples of energies, in case it isn't clear. Again, these are all your motivations, urges, emotions - conscious or not. These can include (but are not limited to): Fear, worry Love Desire for greatness, power, influence, strength, looking good, improvement of one's conditions Hatred, deep pain, desire for revenge, jealousy, to bring someone down Disrespect of oneself and others, cynicism, insecurity Desire for pleasure, comfort, emotional satiation, status quo, acceptance An intuitive steerage, flow towards a particular direction Desire for God, Awakening, Purity, Self-destruction, humility before God, Truth, surrender Desire to say something to the world, express one's truth, make something conscious to others Shame, guilt, grief Etc. And to conclude this section, I'll say that your life's quality depends on the energies in your reality, no matter who you are or whether you're conscious of them. That is why it's important. The energetic reality is with you ALWAYS. And, from one perspective, this energetic reality is what YOU ARE*. That is YOU - and you don't have much control over it, you can't change it in the snap of a finger, you don't really direct it, It is what it is, and it changes with varying frequency. *I'm saying "from one perspective" because "you" can also be thought of in different ways. For example, since you can observe this energetic reality, you can also consider yourself the observer of it and not it itself (even though it is still utterly intertwined with you). Connection of Energy and Thought So let's get to the thinking now. Basically, a thought is made of energy. It's as if a thought is a voice or vision of the energy that is currently flowing. An energy is "primal" and you cannot notice it the very moment it arises - it is immediate, in the now, faster than you can consciously spot it. What you do notice with a delay is the thought of that energy. We're dealing with energies then. Thoughts are basically energies. Simple as that. And energies ARE important, because they make what YOU are and determine what will be happening in your reality. And presumably you care about the way your life unfolds, your character, particular outcomes you'd like to see, closeness to God, etc. So now, what is thinking? Let's consider different modes of thinking and how they could be understood: Unconscious thinking, daydreaming --> basically just the flow of energies, usually dimly observed. Conscious thinking --> you are more consciously observing the flow of energies. But there is also something more to thinking consciously, because the decision itself to think CONSCIOUSLY is stemming from a particular energy. So it's not just the "chaos" of the energy flow - there is also a dominant energy that is setting that action of being mindful in motion! Conscious thinking can be done in different ways. You can be focused on a particular energy, contemplating it. So, the intent to contemplate/understand or to dive into a particular energy deep and immerse yourself in it would be one thing. Then, you can also focus on being in a state of openness and relaxation and allowing, inviting and embracing different thoughts/energies that are progressively arising. Let's make the distinction then between: Focused conscious thinking AND Surrendered conscious thinking The more you think consciously, the more your energetic reality is developing. Because you are letting energies arise and you are becoming more conscious of them! And when allowed to rise and/or inquired into, the intensities of energies change - and so your energetic landscape changes! And that, to me, is AWESOME. Because that means growth and more experience. (Hooray!) For me, the best combination and a good practice is a blend of surrendered and focused conscious thinking. What I do is: I go into a surrendered state. For example, I go for a slow walk in the forest, or I just sit on my balcony without any distractions, or sit on a bench in the park. And I observe the things that arise, smiling at them, being relaxed. Then, once I observe something interesting, something that resonates which I'd love to dive into deeper, I put focus on that. I can pull up my notebook and write down that interesting thought - the act of writing it down is the energy of focusing on that particular thing, feeling into it and going into it more. Then, more thoughts arise relevant to that thing I wrote - all of similar energy. I contemplate more - all until it is "resolved" for me, I find no interest in it and it no longer resonates to focus at all. After that, I need to relax and "open up" my mind again, and so I go into the surrendered state once more. I slow down. I breathe. I allow to arise whatever wants to arise. And then, once the beautiful flow is flowing again, I can pick some new interesting thing to look into. I can repeat this a few times until eventually I'm tired and the energy for conscious thinking is all depleted for the moment. Then, the time is to find something different and act on it. A rather good practice is also to go from surrendered conscious thinking to focused thinking to ACTION on the particular thing focused on. Energies are best internalized through ACTION. There are some resolutions purely through the act of thinking for sure, but also: energies are best nurtured, built up, remembered and repeated through taking a specific step of action towards them. It can be a ritualistic action for the energies that are more abstract, or a pragmatic one for the more down-to-earth ones. For example: let's say I want to integrate the God-realizations from my psychedelic trip, the energies that were arising then. You're going to contemplate them of course after the come-down, but then it'd be good to take an action step for them, and in this case it'd probably be one of the more ritualistic sort. I don't know what it could be for you, but it should have meaning and an understood-by-you connection to the thing that you are integrating. Eg. a ritual of staring into your eyes in the mirror for an hour, naked or in some shaman costume. Or establishing a habit for writing Awakened Pointers on sticky notes for yourself every day and appreciating them, whatever they are to you. Or another energy example: let's say you were thinking about your death and a great deal of love suddenly sprung from you. You're now realizing what you REALLY care about in life, or what you should say to the people closest to you, out of that profound love. The next action to integrate that love into your life more would be to eg. plan a conversation with your loved one and act on it, or do that thing that is most important to you which you'd regret if you didn't do it. Feeling the energy is good, but also what matters is ACTUALIZING IT! Intense spikes of energy are the best times to bring an energy into reality if that energy is not very much developed yet! Once that usually-faint-but-currently-intense energy is actualized, it is nurtured and then more often repeated in the future. That is real change in the energetic reality right there. Not easily done, usually not comfortable. All this conscious thinking is nurturing very beautiful energies in itself. Don't you want to be that? Surrendered, flowing with interesting energies, going deep into the most interesting ones, tasting the reality of them and then really CHANGING YOUR LIFE, especially through focused action? Conscious thinking is necessary for all that. It's a blessing. ❤️ If you want growth, think consciously more. For me at least, the point is primarily to DEVELOP MYSELF ENERGETICALLY. I want these energies to be diverse, flowing, colorful, beautiful. I want change, development, movement. I don't want to stay in one place due to unconsciousness. I want to converse the shadows to the lights. I want to understand this energetic reality, as it is SO interesting. I want freedom from ignorance and unconscious patterns. I want discovery. Free-flow. Surrender. God! And maybe you do too. So THINK (and ACT). Conclusion My hope is that I somewhat convinced you of the beauty of conscious thinking, but even more so that I infected you with genuine interest in the workings of energies. After all, it's all mechanics of you we're talking about. Nothing "other". All fascinating! Your comments are greatly appreciated. Thank you for reading! Peace <3

Do you think that really happens to everyone or just people who've awakened while alive? what's the relationship between becoming God at death and reincarnating?

In a sense I was heavily addicted to weed and for all the hell it caused me it permanently etched solipsism into my being to the point I take it for granted on an existential level. But I'm not awakened , at least, not fully awakened, because it's not overwhelming beauty . For me solipsism isn't a belief it's a mode of being. I don't walk around thinking to myself "these people aren't real, this is all my imagination." It's deeper and more subtle than that.

@Eskilon He didn't just sit though. He explored around, observed people, tried different techniques and created a system of understanding suffering which considered both the individual and the collective. The four noble truths and the 8 fold path is really a system of healing and living well. It's really the foundation of a good philosophy of living... Not just transcending suffering. No one had done this before, as I understand and that is why it is such a profound teaching. Leo loves to shit on Buddhism but it's foundational to living a good life. What I personally don't like about Buddhism is when people get stuck on it, become a Buddhist, start dressing like a monk which is so dumb... and take shallow understanding of the teaching without going more meta, and studying other systems too. Being a buddhist is dumb. But, the heart of buddha's teachings are profound. He essentially embarked on a philosophical spiritual and inner scientific endeavor like no one had ever done which required an extreme and rare ambition. To create your own spiritual path is rare that is grounded and as clean as it is... That is why he is still remembered, or believed to has existed today and the idea of his life and teachings touch millions of people. To not only become an "awakened one" within Buddhist idealogy, but to then teach and share that for over 40 years is ambition. I personally think it's wise to take the 8 fold path as a basic skeleton for all of self help.... but that is just me.

Everyone talks about an Awakening. That's lovely, wonderful, beautiful and magnificent because deep sleep is all there is and cannot be talked about or experienced. You have awakened to nothing because nothing is being an awakening.

Ok… I’m a bit hesitant to write tonight… I got a 507 error and I first thought it was telling me that it’s not the right time but I refreshed it and I got through… so I’m going to go ahead and go for it. First of all I want to say that this coming from the deepest respect, and my intention is not to form any negativity. We are all here essentially to raise our Consciousness levels and this has become my life and I want to address something on here. I’m not even certain on how to bring it up… if I should just come out and say it or beat around the bush like I normally do on these sensitive scenarios. Well… I’ve been thinking about this for a few days and the last hour it has been nonstop and so I’ll just come out and say it but then I’ll explain why I am saying it. I’m not certain or convinced Leo has reached the Awakening state with a capital “A”. So… I continue watching his videos and there has been a line that continues to repeat in my mind and normally it doesn’t trigger anything. But… it triggered a few days ago and I’m in a purging process while I’m converting the van. I first want to mention that one of his other words had been in my mind and that’s where I first started. I don’t know it word for word or anything but from my guidance from it is to take some time to be alone doing nothing to see how well we can handle our self in silence and with our own thoughts. And I had damaged my iPad and I thought this would be a good time to do this. But I also apply this to myself and I get a ton of insights when I’m in a flow state and I’ve been in a flow state working on the van. So this has been purging a lot of layers from my mind. It’s not always comfortable in these purging phases and I’ll say most of it has been detaching from mostly some family and friends. Detaching doesn’t mean that I don’t love and care and respect any, but that I’m understanding that I don’t need to hold on to the hope of one day having an opportunity to be able to share what I hope I’d like to share with them all. It’s surrendering to the Universe completely and understanding that if it’s time to move on from people and places… then it is time to move on and this is all in art of dancing with the dynamic perfection that is playing out. I’ve placed myself in checkmate with Infinite Intelligence and allowing it to guide me in my moves… not that I haven’t been doing this… just in deeper degrees. Anyway his saying that was triggered in this purging phase that I kept thinking about was “no one on his forum is Awakened”…. I remember reading this when I first got onto this forum and how I understood this is…. Oh I just arrived to this space and he doesn’t know who I am yet… so let me try to explain this in my way and give him all the clues that I have indeed Awakened… more like the Awakening State…. It’s not in the past its on going and continues to develop. But I joined at a very critical time in this Awakening State… it was around 15 months after my transition and I was still trying to figure out what had happened to me, and placed myself in a space to figure it out. I thought this would be the prime time to share with a community who is wanting to experience this as well. So I don’t have eloquence in my words at times and I better teach through demonstration. I wanted to demonstrate what it’s like for me to do Spiritual work through a personal Journal. It’s been very beneficial and still find it as a great tool and so I continue. I’ve been on here for a few years now and I still hear this comment from him… and I don’t expect him to be reading my Journal but I do wonder why would he assume this? And then another comment that I hear is “if they were Awakened they wouldn’t be on his Forum” ??? And this really confuses me… why would he assume this? To me… this doesn’t make sense. I mean for me right now… I might be moving past Leo’s teachings… even though I get insights for myself by listening to him… but I get insights from listening to many people hence the tarot readings and diverse conversations with multiple personalities… I want to get as many perspectives introduced to myself so I can get a broader picture of what the Universe wants me to understand… and the many ways of communication and guidance. But I wouldn’t be moving on from this Forum. Why would any in the Awakening State move on from This Forum? I know it’s an outrageous claim that I’m in the Awakening, but I have an understanding that we are all Infinite Universe… we are all One… I’ve listened to his solipsism video and I’ve had it in the back of my mind even when I was in my dieta ceremony where I experienced the transition trigger, but I never had to go through that experience directly… so essentially I’ve never thought that I was the One it was always we are the One. I understand we have our own insights and awakenings which lead us to be who we are… and I guess I just might be skeptical of Leo’s Awakening State because of my experience of my own and how different we are after this. Which definitely could be the case of course. But we both want to help…You, Awaken… we can only teach you at the state we’ve been able to experience and embody for ourselves… and I’m just going to keep on going as far as I’m allowed and capable with this body and “time” that I have. The first video that I ever watched with Leo was how to be a strategic mother fucker… and this Forum is a very strategic community to build a relationship with. People who consciously desire to increase their Conscious levels… why would anyone who is Awakening and have been introduced to this community want to leave it? We have a desire to assist in the process that is ineffable and no rules or instructions and extremely subtle and very personal… it sounds impossible but that’s what and who we are, and we continue regardless of the challenges we face. I’ve been respectful and still will continue; however, there has been one rule on this Forum that I would think that would have changed after the transition trigger and the understanding of where Awakening leads. Why can this condensed community of individuals who are raising our Consciousness levels which also relates to the Collective Consciousness levels not be able to meet in person through this Forum? I can imagine that there is such a diverse mix of intelligence… and Infinite mix of Intelligence in this forum that I wonder what we could build together… I understand liability reasons to keep people safe, but damn I’ll sign a liability waiver that will take on the full responsibility of my actions and any consequences that arise from these interactions. Many people in our society meet up with strangers to go on dates and more and I think it would be nice to meet up with people in this community in person as well and see where the conversation leads… Leo says he’s not interested in starting a community but isn’t it already too late? We are a community even though there is not a physical locations. I guess I’ve said this before but I haven’t been the best at communicating with words as I’d like and I’m getting better but when I’m in person I get far more information than reading or typing. And in my line of work I meet people multiple times in different situations and observe the larger picture of the ones I’m engaging with. Originally I thought that I’ll just wait for the Universe to manifest situations where we attract and place ourselves in random locations to meet… which I feel can and is definitely happening. But maybe we’re All supposed to keep that perceived distance for now? Still? I’m getting tired but there is one more thing that I want to get off my chest… I haven’t heard Leo explain his Awakening in a near similar manner than I do. I mean awakening experiences, yes… but not the Transition Trigger. And this is what got me to start thinking…. Could it be he hasn’t gone through this himself? Am I trying to explain myself to give him clues that I’ve been through the process… but he doens’t recognize it because he hasn’t gone through it yet? It’s possible. He plays a character on the screen and it would be nice to even meet in person so I can get a more authentic evaluation… hehe… I can’t help myself that’s just what I do… and it just takes me awhile for me to digest and receive messages… but eventually I get there. Alright… I think this is good for tonight and I want to get my rest. I am getting really excited even more if that’s possible as the van continues to unfold. I hope to share more about that next time… with a video or pictures or something. Without my iPad I haven’t been able to document it, but I start to today and I’m getting all giddy about it… hehe… Ok until next time, enjoy ourselves!

I am very grateful that I am mostly healthy and able to ejoy life in the present moment. However, sometimes I do get sick or a headache and I wonder, damn, how are the people that feel like this 24/7 able to live? Why wouldn't they just end it and hope for a better reincarnation? Especially if one has already awakened to his true nature that as eternal and infinite.

We say reality is unlimited and we are limited beings, yet we look to limit reality by trying to awaken or get enlightened. That suggests a center. Where is the center in what's unlimited. Where is the position. If I'm awake in the sense of awakening spiritually, then reality is unlimited because there is a point of focus and reference to awaken from. There is no time nor space and it's boundless. That awakened being needs to be at a point, bounded in time and continuity. If the absolute is everything, who is being awakened and to what if its not just a dream.

The picture of an awakened person is one of a person with opened eyes. I feel like this is a depiction for those who want the gooddies but dont want to do the practice.

Thanks. I enjoy your views too You might have a point. What comes to mind tho is that many people here are anonymous, so how does it serve them to create a nice self image for themselves? I mean since their real self isn’t shown in their profile how could one gain pleasure from that. Hmmm. Maybe it’s a mixture of both, more authenticity in the sense that people here express the topics that are closest to their heart, yet they might as you say control their replies a bit to come of as smart or awakened or something Real life allows for deeper connection I’d say. You see the whole of the person. Harder to hide oneself and be fake.