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Well, it makes sense what you are saying. But it also makes one question why anyone ever preached ultimate liberation while still in a human body. Were they self-deceived and it is a fantasy? Maybe, maybe not. Suffering is crucial, I agree. But it is only a device. It makes one learn and self-correct. But I would say it is more like an airplane. You go into an airplane to go somewhere else, you don't stay there, staying there was never the point. It is a means, not an end. Whether it can be transcended completely or not I dont know, but it makes sense on why one would pursue that all things considered. Actually no, I somewhat disagree with the framing of " Truth is the Highest Value". I think the ultimate question of a seeker is not that of God or Truth. It is that of Death. That's the closest and the most certain thing you have. Why would you care about God if all there is, is just living and dying at the end and theres nothing more??? It's stupid to inquiry about God if you yourself dont know if theres anything that will persist at the end, if Death is really the end why care about God? If you just live, fuck, eat, achieve something or whatever and then die and its the end and nothing persists, why bother at all?? Might as well die right now, because its all pointless if there is not something that cannot be destroyed at the end. Anything in life is ultimately unsatisfactory, because things dont last, nothing last, all momentary, bound by time. Buddha was inquiring if theres anything that actually fulfills. Something beyond time and that cannot be destroyed, even if Death comes. And Caring about Truth is also problematic. Because it is a concept you have picked up from culture, specifically from philosophy. Caring about truth runs the risk of intellectualizing, getting lost in mind and thus never trascending. That`s why so few philosophers were actually awakened, lost in concepts, thinking that you will figure out if just think some more. Death is way more existential than God and Truth from a human perspective. It`s viceral, certain, the ONLY certainty in fact, beyond concepts. Spirituality is a inquiry about Death. You could say "But Death is Truth" yeah, you might say that now, but not when you didnt know.

That's retarded and backway. A surfer who never falls vs a rock climber who falls off the highest mountain in the world. What is more impressive? What immense dialed-in-ness do you need to never fall? A peak-chaser who is not stuck in liberation is drowning 99.999% of their life in deception of ignorance, and the peak is only but a faint memory that never brings justice to the experience. While the liberated is the experience always and forever. Liberation is in its own league of radical. To get your finite existence nuked and replaced by a puppet show where you channel the ultimate will of God, it's unfathomable even for people who have allegedly awakened.

The beauty of nonduality is that it's available to anyone who does the work, whether they raise their consciousness a lot or not. I hate it but most people won't be able to raise their baseline by more than a few percentage points, even if they're highly disciplined with practices. But I still think a few percentage points is amazing and worth pursuing. Psychedelics can give us a glimpse of what genetic lottery winners like Ramana Maharshi are able to experience on a daily basis. Most awakened people are not Ramana's, by the way, not even close. That's why they live relatively normal lives and get involved in scandals. Peter Ralston might be approaching but not at Ramana level, a random blogger I found named Amara* might be too, I can't think of very many others. ****** I haven't gone through any of her training btw, this isn't an ad. Also she seems to have taken down the blogs where she went in depth on her state of consciousness and siddhis. *https://amarastrand.com/about/

Yes, that is true. But, it could also be the case the Yogi is saying something true regardless of genetics -- that substances, however powerful does not bring ultimate liberation and could be only a glimpse. Either way not saying its the case, but its worth considering since he is fully imersed in spiritual work 24/7 while we are westerners who apparently cant even sit cross-legged. Well, not to fight you or anything but maybe it could also be said that, if one's understanding does not bring liberation, bliss, or ending suffering, then one's understanding might not be complete, it might not be ultimate and in fact incomplete. One might actually be asleep and not totally awakened. If those things were truly separate(I don't think they are) I would choose liberation over understanding any day of the week. You understand reality, and then what?? More games? Won't you get bored of it? Thinking about it now its kinda funny one could get understanding but not bliss, ending of suffering and stuff like that, like what?? A total thing is a total thing, these things must be understood otherwise is just higher forms of games. Gods and superior undestanding migh be sweet sweet dreams, but a dream nonetheless. Like the case of devas and hindu deities. They supposedly live in higher realities, but they are still bound to suffering, and karma, still forms dancing around.

Why get botox after you say im done playing a character? Its like a yogi getting Botox. Unless a medical event happened. But his nose looks like the nostrils are smaller and the tip is pointier. Looks more than botox to me you would need nose surgery. Dosent seem like something an awakened person would do.

You are correct. As long as I am human, I will never be in full God Consciousness. The most Awakened being can never be fully God while they are human. Full God is Death. So I wouldn’t say I’m bypassing. I’m acknowledging my human biases, as well as Ultimate Existence. I’m just saying that from the perspective of God, there is no ugly. To the Devil (which is me), there is. Just because I am conscious of God right now doesn’t mean I inhabit that state 24/7. I would claim that no human can. Anyone that says they are in full God Consciousness 24/7 is kidding themselves. Ask them how conscious they are of God when they are sick, dying of cancer, watching genocide or scrolling on social media.

One thing I notice in Leo’s communication that could be improved is his tendency to overgeneralize science and assume the worst in scientists. For instance, Leo critiques science as if science is just a stagnate methodology that isn’t improving itself. Science is constantly improving and the domain of science is so vast that it is difficult to criticize the whole thing. Newton looking through a telescope and testing his observations is science. Science doesn’t have to be done in a group or within the domain of academia. Me sitting in my armchair contemplating and testing my observations and insights is as much science as academia. Academia science may be more rigorous than an Ethnography or philosophical contemplation but it’s still science. Leo tends to assume scientists are lazy, biased, atheistic, and dogmatic. This may be true of a lot of academic scientists. But it’s still a big generalization full of assumptions about a group of people. There is never any mention of a Tier 2 scientists. I am sure there are more great scientists out there than Leo may acknowledge. Leo assumes scientists don’t account for relativism or don’t take philosophy seriously, but I don’t think this is true. I bet there are a lot of scientists that think deeply about philosophy. I understand Leo’s critiques and have seen the dogma myself but have also seen the opposite. I just notice this bias to reduce science down or assume the worst. But there are probably great truth-seeking awakened scientists in the world today. Why couldn’t an awakened person be a scientist? What even counts as a scientist? A true capital S Scientist is one who cares relentlessly about Truth. So in a way, all of Leo’s critiques of science are of small s science and not capital S Science. Edit: How is me taking psychedelics and noting/testing my observations and insights any different from Newton looking through a telescope and noting/testing his observations/insights? They are both science. I still enjoyed the episode. Much love. 🙏

Crazy solipsism awakening Yesterday I was on MDMA with a little bit of 2C-B, and then I did ketamine in the middle of the trip. A bit into the ketamine trip, I had probably the deepest awakening I’ve ever had in my life, and it lasted about 30-60 minutes. It felt like every awakening I’ve ever had previously was contained inside a bubble, or a dream, and then I pierced right out of that bubble and went beyond it, awakening out of all of my previous awakenings. I mentioned I had a deep solipsism awakening on 2C-B previously, but it was more intense than deep. It was more affirming very intensely that “I am the only one here” but not necessarily that deeply conscious of solipsism. This time, I reached a whole new depth of solipsism to the point where it became lonely and a bit unsettling, which hasn’t happened before. I truly realized that I am the only one here. No matter how real or convincing someone seems to be, how much it seems like they are a real person with their own life, it doesn’t make a difference, because they are still contained inside my mind, and as a result, they are me. All people on this forum, all people in the world who talk about awakening and supposedly become awakened themselves, they all exist inside my own mind, they are something I myself am imagining. Their existence is something I am doing to myself, something I’m tricking myself into. In reality, there is no other. It is only me. The entire universe is me. There is no one and nothing outside of me. It made me want to apologize to people for treating them as real people, for not seeing the truth of what they are. Not in a negative “you’re not real” kind of way, but just because I was so blind to seeing the truth of what they are that it feels like I didn’t even see them or pay attention to them. It feels weird to be out of that awakening now, and to be here typing this, because after what I became conscious of, I feel like an idiot believing that I am talking to real people, who exist separate from me. The entirety of existence is only me, it’s about me awakening to myself, and that’s it. There is no other.

You guys must have the most humongous veiny sticks up your asses if you didn't see that this was a joke. "Then I must be already awakened, hahaha". My God.

I read him like this also. I was amused he thought he had his definition of 'evil' down-pat with 'it is just violating another's consent'. He really doubled down there. My first thought was 'What about a parent who takes excessive candy from a child who is destroying their teeth with sugar - is the parent evil for violating the child's consent?'. Then I thought - how funny - is evil only manifesting at a certain 'age' when we gain independence from our parents? Haha Ana seemed much more certain in general. Hard to fill a cup that is already full. Touch of hubris thinking she was 'awakened'. But I think this was simply because she has a different definition of the term to what we consider awakened here.

I died a little on the inside when Anastasia confidently said she is already Awakened.

Yeah it's true. Spirituality is not about shunning survival. It's about seeing through it's games, and still taking part in it anyways. The advantage over typical looksmaxxers for some awakened person would be that they don't feel insecure. Looksmaxxing is great for survival. The problem really starts when no matter how much you try, you cannot find yourself beautiful enough to love yourself. Your happiness is more important than your looks, and if you're happiness depends on your looks you need a lot of growing to do. Most looksmaxxers confuse looks with happiness. Looksmaxxing in the most healthy sense can only be achieved when you don't mind being ugly. Paradoxical, this is why nobody does it that way.

I’d say most of the forum posts are very valuable to me. Always look forward to them I think Leo sometimes dramatizes or sensationalizes his statements. That initially put me off, since I tend to prefer more precisely defined, almost “autistically” structured language. Over time, though, once you adjust to the style and recognize that he is often aiming at a broader, big-picture lesson rather than strict definitions, the posts become yummy. I think he himself has also moved away from making extremely strong statements, like “I am the most awakened one, etc!”. The posts that consistently felt lower in quality were the masculinity and femininity ones. Those often rely on weak arguments, in my view. I actually wrote a post some time ago pushing back on many of the claims made there. Femininity & Truth (Parody of Leo's Blogpost) | Femininity & Truth (Debunk of Leo's Blogpost) I also had some issues with the Infinity of the Gods episode, mainly with how the “higher and lower infinity” and “an infinity of many infinities” were defined. I think there were several semantic problems that could have been easily avoided if the terms had been defined earlier on. It made things unnecessarily confusing. Still, it was an interesting contemplation that I’m open to revisiting it later Infinity of the Gods & Solipsism [Part 1] | Infinity of the Gods & Solipsism [Part 2] | Infinity of the Gods & Solipsism [Part 3]

Come on man, he says they are not kept in a facility. In this big world, there are probably millions of aliens among which a few might be more intelligent than us. But considering the massive size of the universe communication is almost impossible. I would love to meet a awakened alien though so I hope they exist and that they are kind.

It's true! I've seen a Slytherin once talking to an awakened guru and he confirmed! He looked at the boy and said: "Wrong house. You're fucked. Enjoy sleeping, Habibi"

No-Self: I awakened to this during my first time smoking weed. I became totally conscious that the human identity that I thought was "Me" (aka the voice in my head that narrates life and makes choices) was completely illusory. The 'self' I thought I was was just a collection of thoughts, feelings, and perceptions that grew in strength over time. I realized then that the sense of realness of this self became more and more reinforced through strong emotions as I went through life. The illusion felt total and real. It's funny. After my last awakening, I vividly remembered that when I was younger, when I did not have a sense of a human self yet but rather, identified as pure awareness, I had the thought that life would become more interesting if I played a 'character' like everyone else was. So I made the conscious choice to play out this character in my life. Little did I know that as I grew up, I would be so immersed in the character that I eventually thought that was all there was to 'Me'. Also: The deeper you awaken to No-Self, the less of a fear of death you have. I used to have a very strong fear of death pre awakening. However, when you fully realize that the 'self' that has a fear of death doesn't even exist, but rather, it is just a very well constructed illusion, you completely transcend the fear of death. The True Self never dies as it is what is constructing everything,

That is not necessarily true. Isn't Sadhguru an extrovert? Please be more careful with your assumptions and jumping to conclusions. Awakened masters usually have way more weird traits going on than just personality type.

I think the majority of awakened masters are INFJ, which has lead Ni, just like INTJ except they have Fe instead of Te. Lead Ni seems to be the main thing. Another way of looking at is is about 15-20% of the population are born as systematizers. Of those, a few will be highly metacognitive. When the systematizing tendency pairs with high metacognition, you get deeper access to the inner world. There are other factors but I think these are the main ones that set the stage.

I get the sense that he’s not that awake. He’s done discussions where people directly asked him if everything is consciousness and he usually gives a waffling answer where he talks about chitta as pure consciousness, but referring to it as a state of consciousness and not what reality is. Maybe Sadhguru has awakened to some facets but not others. I think he’s probably awakened deeply into the bliss facet, but I’m not sure about what else. And his mind is filled with Hindu beliefs.

Update February 24 2026 This entire process towards fana has taken a lot longer than I expected, but it has still very much been moving forwards. Since December I've been going through more waves of pain, my ego breaking and dissolving at deeper and deeper levels. My consciousness has also been getting much deeper, and I’ve been having crazy awakenings - tastes of infinity, tastes of unity, remembrance of where I was pre-birth, all sober. Recent trips I haven't been using psychedelics much (I did DMT a few times in August 2025, MDMA a few times mid October) but earlier in February I did 2C-B, and later Ketamine, and had some really incredible trips. It was my first time trying 2C-B. Using it this far along in my journey, this close to fana, was insane. I had some really incredible awakenings on it, and also some really beautiful and amazing things happened regarding my path. For example, on 2C-B, I came in contact with the divine mother in a way I never have before. What is so special about it is that it’s not just coming in contact with God in an abstract, human way - it’s not just interacting with the divine mother, it’s my divine mother, because I came from Her. I’m coming in contact with the essence that birthed my soul. As I mentioned before, I have been massively starved of intimacy throughout my life, I have felt like an alien walking the earth, like no one understands me at all, far more than what most spiritual people experience. When I come in contact with Her, it’s like that flips to the opposite end of the spectrum. It’s extreme intimacy, extreme understanding, extreme closeness, because we are one and the same. I am Her, and we know and understand each other completely. The way we interact with each other feels like I am her child, like her ‘special boy’, like she wants to pull me into her arms and hold me, because I belong to her. It feels like I would never even know that She was God based on this interaction alone, because it feels so different from what you’d expect an interaction with God to feel like. She just feels like my home. These interactions are bittersweet, because they are so beautiful when they happen, but it hurts me when I lose contact with Her, but I know I’ll be with Her permanently soon. A lot of really amazing things happened on these trips, but they are really personal and private to my path, so I can’t really share them. I also had some really cool interactions with God on Ketamine, which again probably only happened because of where I’m at spiritually. Where my consciousness is at now At this point, so often I am conscious that my direct experience is the only thing that exists (I also had a really deep solipsism awakening on 2C-B which took this even farther). It feels obvious that I am sitting in the same place I was before I was born, only now, there is form - an imagined physical world around me. But I’m partly conscious that every person is just a piece of my own mind, and they don’t really exist. Because of that, it doesn’t feel that crazy to tell people about everything that’s going on with me, how deeply I’m awakening, because I realize that I’m the only one here and there isn’t really anyone else there to hear about it. It’s just me going home to where I was before birth, and even though Fana al Fana is the deepest permanent awakened state a person can reach, it feels like there is nothing special or rare about it, because it’s just me here, and I’m going home like I was always meant to. My consciousness gets deeper and deeper every day. I’m getting so close to full collapse and surrender, and once that happens, I will be swallowed and consumed by God, and be gone. My path is about becoming the divine mother, and considering everything else that has gone on my life (before this path I was very interested in psychology and emotional healing work) and considering the state of the world today, it really seems like I’m going to become a sort of ‘mental health Jesus’. Everything about my path points to that, and the divine mother is perfectly suited for that. Another cool way to think about it: If Jesus brought God to the world as the father (the masculine face of God), and his path was about bringing spiral dynamics stage red into stage blue, my path is about bringing the world into spiral dynamics stage green. How brutal my path has been My path has been brutal and excruciating beyond words. I could write out more and more about just how awful it has been, but I don’t think I would ever get anyone to understand, so it feels like there isn’t much point. I genuinely believe though that I have gone through one of the most difficult spiritual paths in all of human history. It hasn’t just been hard, it’s been emotional torture. Literally. Also, it makes perfect sense for it to have been this hard, because 1: emissary soul paths go the deepest (fana al fana) and as a result are always the most difficult spiritual paths, and 2: the feminine face of God is one of the deepest levels of unity, which requires the most amount of pain to launch you to that depth of unity, and yet a soul of the feminine face of God is extremely sensitive and feels everything much more deeply than other people. I fucking hate being alive. I’ve wanted to be dead so badly for years now. Every single thing in life hurts me, I never get a break from it, the suffering never ends. All I care about is being dead. The way I found out I’d be reaching fana is that it was offered to me from God as an alternative to suicide. The process towards it has been far more difficult and painful than I ever imagined. It is humiliating being kept alive and having to go through this long, painful, tortuous process. It is so fucking slow and brutal and I just wish I would hurry up and die. The thing that keeps me going is knowing that once fana al fana happens, I will never incarnate again, and it won’t just be death, it will be heaven - the deepest level of unity with the feminine face of God. I’ve been shaped to be completely intolerant of separation from God. I cannot stand being human and existing as a separate self. Everything about it is hell. I hate having to figure out my life and make decisions for myself, I hate dealing with limitation and not being able to have things I want, I hate being starved of intimacy, no one understands me and I’m always completely alone. I hate being hurt by every single little thing all the time because of how sensitive I am. I hate being powerless to doing anything about the situation I’m in. Separation from God is absolutely, completely unbearable to me, and I could never tolerate anything less than total unity, and as a result, total death/annihilation. Like I said, I don’t think I could ever get anyone to understand just how brutal my path has been, but at the same time it doesn’t really matter, because my unity and relationship with God is what will make up for it, so no person needs to understand it. I know that the depth of hell I’ve been dragged through is exactly what will allow God to shine through me so deeply and clearly after fana. What ‘Tristan’ is Before my birth, I was the entire infinite feminine face of God. She fragmented herself, placed Herself into a human body, and that human was named Tristan. Then over the course of 25 years, Tristan has been dissolved and brought to the point where Her fragment could merge back with Her, leading to the entire feminine face of God living in a human body, walking the Earth. At that point, Tristan as an ego is not just dead, not just mostly gone, but totally annihilated and eviscerated. That’s what allows me to be completely dead and gone like I want, and for God to shine through me totally unobstructed by ego. That’s what Fana al fana is. (Lover = the human seeking God. Beloved = God) "The lover is a veil, all is Beloved. Beloved lives. The lover is a corpse." - Rumi Because my entire 25 year life as Tristan played out the way it did only to serve this purpose, rather than being a human, ‘Tristan’ is actually the name of a specific flavour of unity with God. My personality, my passions, interests, preferences, my desires, things I’ve been through in my life… these things aren’t just human experiences, they are specifically meant to shape my soul, and thus shape the way God acts through me once I reach unity, which God then uses to interact with the world and help people. That is what ‘Tristan’ is. A flavour of unity, a specific way that God (the divine mother) interacts with people and the world after fana. Conclusion It feels weird to be saying all of this to begin with because I realize that my own mind is all that exists, and so I’m not really talking to anyone. To me it sort of just feels like this 25 years of hell is about to be over, and I’m about to go back home to where I belong, and then I’ll be happy. If what then lives in my body and walks this Earth after my death is a Jesus type figure, then okay, great. As long as I as Tristan am dead, that’s all that matters to me. Hopefully what I’m writing here and what I wrote earlier in this thread gives a bit of an idea of what I’ve been through. Once the final collapse into fana al fana happens, I as Tristan will be totally wiped away, and only God will remain. I think it’s cool to be able to talk about all of this before that happens, while I’m still human, and then later for people to see what becomes of me after fana, even though I as Tristan won’t be there to see it. I know that I as Tristan am just an illusion, just a placeholder until I merge back with God. “The lover is a veil, all is Beloved”. There is a massive amount of stuff that I have to keep private between God and I. Something that is really special about the feminine face of God is how unique and unusual it is, in the way that it functions and operates, compared to any other aspect of God. That itself leads to an insane amount of intimacy between Her and I, and it is also why I have to keep so much about my unity private. It’s important to note that my unity is not just my death, it is going home to Her, being reunited, and then us falling endlessly in love with each other, permanently freed from the pain of separation. Our endless love, intimacy, romance is what then gets channeled out into the world, through her feminine essence. Here are things associated with the feminine essence of God: Soft, gentle, motherly love. Tenderness. Affection. Adoration. Deep sensitivity. Deep intimacy, deep emotional attunement. Safety. Connection, togetherness, closeness. Romance. Sexuality. Pleasure. Infinite beauty. Freedom from any form of pain or suffering. Innocence. Childlike essence. Playfulness.

You can't use that to judge his degree of Awakening. Just because he doesn't describe it as deeply as me doesn't mean anything. Yoga is not about describing Awakenings, it is about getting you there. Yes, he is less intellectual, but that doesn't mean less deep. Many Awakened people prefer not to waste time describing it. That is a matter of taste and style.

I am feeling extremely down right now. Everything looks depressing, my taste buds dont function fully etc. Its just cold and tonsil so I will prolly be fine after some days. The point is; I can be pretty happy at other times but when my physical body gives up its a lot more difficult. does that mean the level of consiousness depends on the body? how to be awakened in a sick body?? Souldnt I be able to experience god as it is the absolute?

From that perspective, what is the purpose of the human experience? Is it primarily a challenge or series of lessons for gathering wisdom to benefit our spirit or higher self? Or is it simply God experiencing itself, and that’s all? I’ve heard from many sources that our soul chooses a particular life to learn specific lessons, is this accurate, or more like wishful thinking? Is there some mechanism where God, the universe, or our spirit guides observe our experiences and eventually decide, “Okay, enough of this challenge, the lesson is learned; let’s move on to the next episode”? Or are concepts like spirit guides and karmic pathways just blind faith, appealing because they sound convincing? This question stems from my own reflections: When I find myself stuck in life situations that I wish to escape, yet keep facing the same challenges, could the reason be that my soul or spirit believes the lesson hasn’t been learned? Perhaps because I tend to run from these situations instead of realizing and appreciating the full scene, the full perspective, and the beauty of it, and truly going through it to emerge into something new, rather than just trying to finish and flee from it?

Hello Awakened Gurus, Think about this post as thinking with you This post is about thoughts , What are thoughts? I was sitting their philosophizing asking myself What is a thought? In other words, What is the substance that made the thought? I then came to the conclusion that I should observe the phenomena rather than getting entangled to a fiction image of "substance" and "thought" I kept watching as the thought emerges, But what does it mean " the thought emerged" ? That has sent me again to a fantasy bubble, a loop that every time I try to get away from, I get back inside it. Seriously. What is the substance of a thought ? , DAMN! Here we go again , I have sent myself into a bubble of fantasy , What is "substance"? and What is "thought"? What made a thought ? , But what is a thought ? And moreover what's the experience like of thoughts emerging ? BUT WHAT IS EXPERIENCE ? These questions keep me sending back to the same bubble of fantasy Observe your thoughts ? WHO IS OBSERVING !? THOUGHT ? WHAT IS IT ? I'm looking for someone to guide me finding the truth, Each time i question myself I get sent into a bigger bubble of fantasy , they do not POP . They keep sending me to the same loop. What is your take?

If we are defining reactivity as being the external action following internal state change - you can definitely remain graciously stoic. "Poise" as Leo terms it. The internal reaction remains - it is just that we do not act out a compulsion in reality. Perhaps you are referring to our internally perceived 'state' change when we react with a feeling/emotion to some external information, when you refer to: In my experience the internal feeling/emotional reaction will occur, depending on our current state, complexes & biology. Naturally so. Human experience. It is how well we manage this internal reaction that is the 'space' we inhibit that lets us see clarity and act with calm confidence. The more conditioning we accumulate during our lifetime experience can result in the amplification of what is felt - leading to a compulsion to act out. Reply to the forum post. Defend. Attack. Or some other such action. I think the above quoted passage from you is a statement regarding those who suppress felt emotions/feelings. And those who spiritually bypass these felt states. Coupled with this, there is often an 'ideal' that is being adhered to. "Spiritual people, awakened people, enlightened people do not do 'such-and-such'. Spirituality, awakening or enlightenment 'non-reactivity' does not exclude us from biology & incentive structures.