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  1. Posted

    @Gesundheit2 @Thunder Kiss

    4 hours ago, Thunder Kiss said:

    you don’t need to have physical sex to explore your sexuality. There is a difference between fantasising about sex, and actually doing the physical act. 
    It is true that children have a curiosity around sexuality and experience arousal at very young age. 
    I remember my first feelings of arousal around the age of 5 when I was playing with Barbie and Ken, and had created a romantic story between them and making them kiss eachother.  I had orgasmic feelings, didn’t understand what it was, only that it felt warm and fuzzy. 
    I also remember being curious about nakedness and would have feelings of excitement and arousal when playing imaginary childhood games that involved any kind of romance.  

    I remember us playing a game where I instigated that my sister who was about 7 at the time should be a naked princess wrapped in a blanket and I was a prince coming to rescue her. I was like 9 or something. It was all innocent and imaginary fun, and romance based.  It was never about actual physical sex. 

    I used to have sleep orgasms entering puberty and I guess I started realising I could masturbate around age 12.  I didn’t know exactly what I was doing but it was all from imagination and I was exploring my own body, and realising that if I touched certain places that I would be aroused and eventually orgasm.  Although I didn’t know that it was an orgasm at the time. It was one of my secrets, I had found a treasure of how to make myself feel warm and fuzzy inside. Lol. 

    Does any of this mean that I would want physical sex with a man? Hell NO. 

    Could an adult man have taken advantage and manipulated those feelings, if I was unfortunate to be subjected to an unsafe environment ? Yes.

    a man could have made up some romantic story to get me to do stuff with him.  Which is a common theme with child molesters, they use romance and love to get a child to ‘fall in love’ with them.

    I certainly didn’t want any physical or penetrative sex with another. 
    It was my own private exploration of my own body and feelings, my sexual curiosity to have with myself and myself alone. 

    Just because a child has these feelings and thoughts doesn’t mean they are ready mentally or physically for sex. 
    let children be children and explore their own bodies without older adults feeling entitled to their bodies.

       You brought up a good point about how children do explore their own bodies and discover orgasmic experiences in their matrix of feelings. To add to that, some Sexologists share stories of when they were councilling couples who are parents themselves. One story from parents shared how they discovered their child sensually play with their seatbelt. Another, a mother, while reading a bed time story to her daughter, caught her stimulating herself while she red. The mother reprimanded her, but she wanted her to continue reading, but the mother left too upset to continue, and the father later had to tell her that it was not appropriate to do that with other people present. From a biological perspective, I think it's due to their skin being much more sensitive at that age, because the organism is still learning how to survive in its interactions with other entities and the environment, at the same time their brain trying to process information intake from around it, and the ego attaching simple meanings to it's surroundings at that time. This is probably why reality was so magical and vividly real at that age.

       The other point brought up by @Gesundheit2, about children desiring that not just from other children, but from adults, gets a bit tricky. I'll just say that it's very unlikely, but possible, that it could be the case. I also bring up a similar but unrelated point here, and that is children murderers and animal cruelty committed by children. If it's possible for a child, typically early adolescents, to commit a homicide to a younger or same aged child to them and to torture animals at that young of an age, then to me almost anything that is not too complex of an evil is possible for them as well.

  5. Posted · Edited by Danioover9000

    @Carl-Richard

    33 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

    It's obvious that humans and other animals are different. The question is if those differences justify how we treat them.

     

    Why are you bringing up what other people think? It's you who are having the discussion.

     

    We have to outgrow the value systems and social systems that make people hate pedophiles.

       I definitely agree, that the value systems and social systems that make people hate pedophiles, in their sense making through media, mainstream news portrayals, need to be addressed. Like I've stated to the OP, there are caricatures and different forms of this issue that it needs the nuance to address both the many surface points to the root.

       It takes two to have a discussion, but actually @Scholar was debating me a bit.

  6. Posted

    @OneIntoOne

    On 1/5/2022 at 6:10 PM, OneIntoOne said:

    I don't know if Leo will listen to whats said or it will trigger his ego and lock this form. I don't really care.

    I love Leo's way of thinking and i grew a lot from it - So thank you for the passed.

    But the way i see it, Leo (and everyone here on this form) had reached a dead-end and they keep spinning in circles 

    They think that they 'arrived' - but they bullshit them self into it. (Btw there is no 'arriving')

    Leo has reached the highest understanding.

    The highest insides.

    Understands reality to its core.

    Now what?

    He is missing the main point.

    All of you here on this form will talk all day long about (ego!) Consciousness, but all of you miss the point. 

    There is still something higher and much bigger then just 'GOD Realization'

    Yes obviously god realization is part of the journey and must be deeply realized. 

    (how deep? how many trips? it doesn't really matter, you think this world was created to sit and trip all day and try to get as God by popping psychedelics ? hell no! Which idiot would create something with such a curriculum?? I am not saying don't use psychedelics, use it! its up to you how occupied you want to be with it, but thats not really the goal here, don't stay stuck and fooled)

    Thats not how finding God was designed to be!

    Don't stop here.

    You came here for a reason.

    Yes a part of the reason is to realize that you are god and you are love.

    But there is much much more to it and non of you on this form wanna hear it, including Leo! 

    (Hint: its not sitting around on this form and showing off all your deep realizations, insides, mystical experiences  and trip reports) 

    So what is it?

    Its a specific truth that very little amount of people in the would will be willing to surrender to it.

    I wont go into details here.

    If you are really sincere you WILL FIND IT or it will find you.

    As long as Leo and everyone here will not realize it they will go in circles. 

    (No, its not sitting in a cave or becoming a monk. and nothing to do with jesus as well for you Christians out there)

    I hope i can encourage you to go above and beyond this form and keep going until it feels right!

    I am not saying don't listen to Leo! i keep on listening to him and i look forward every week for his stuff, but keep moving, keep looking.

    You won't find it on a google search, you will have to invest a lot into it, it might take you years and years to find it.

    I was privileged to be known about it.

    I am not bashing any believe, religion, idea, teaching, I believe everything has a distorted hint of truth to it, and everything was designed by God to make the ilusion to play the game of hide and seek with the goal of eventually finding him on a real and deep way. 

    Things need to make sense!

    Have a good day.

     

     

     

       Ok ,thanks for the disclaimers.

  7. Posted

    @Carl-Richard

    3 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

    You were specifically talking about qualia (what experience is like from the inside), not whether humans or animals look different from the outside.

    What is the point of factoring out these things?

       Factoring out what? Leo's teachings and spirituality? I assume it's these, so in that reply to you, I just wanted it to be very stark about there is a distinction between a human and an animal. We can also go meta and include other creatures like insects, birds, reptiles, plants, fungi, every creature in a biosphere and hydrosphere and atmosphere and geosphere, aliens from other planets. Now, going back down to that time, I was engaging with @Scholar about the additional issues on top of addressing his position on the main issue being discussed when you wanted to involve yourself in between. Why I said to forget about those other teachings, is to get you to see that most normal people, their typical experiences when seeing, hearing and feeling between a human and an animal or any other creature or thing for comparison, is to see that most people do not see like you or me or @Scholar sees the world. It's very easy to take for granted the information from advanced teachings, mystical experiences, psychedelic experiences, non-dual experiences does to how a mind views reality again, and we could quickly generalize and think that most people are like, when in most cases that's not the case, it's relative.

       Also, do you have any suggestions as to how a society handles pedophilia?

  8. Posted · Edited by Danioover9000

    @Scholar

    3 hours ago, Scholar said:

    I don't think the question of "How Should Society Handle Pedophiles", is reducable exclusively to a conversation about treatments for pedophiles. I think the fact that you are narrowing the topic of this conversation to that particular issue indicates to me that you are scared to tackle and accept the statements I made that are, as I explained in my previous post, related to the issue we are discussing.

    Whether or not I look informed to you is of little interest to me, you seem very bad faith and unstable in the way you handle disagreement with others.

       Technically not accurate. I started off answering the OP's question broadly, then I reduced the set of answers to address the issue inside of the context. I started off giving a large holistic perspective on OP's issue, then I reduced it down to specifics and possible treatment methods, and suggested to the OP to, if he's serious in treating the issue, to be mindful of which specific culture/society he asks of to address this issue, then to abstract, go broad with the ecology and consider other treatments while working with the particular society. Between you and me, while I went meta and mesa, I respected the context and issue and still tied the issue even when I went meta and narrowed down to specifics. You went mostly abstract with little narrowing down, and while you went broad you failed to tie back to how, for example, animal welfare and veganism would benefit in reducing pedophilia if at all. I give my own effort in thinking broad, then narrow, then made some suggestions to the OP, while you mostly went braod, included unrelated talking points of other issues, and gave little concrete examples to tie in how veganism and animal welfare help OP's issue. To this day, some users are still wondering what your actually point was, oh wait, you said you were not informed, so please research and prepared before posting, maybe give a disclaimer about your position going into this issue, maybe.

       I also don't have a problem having a meta discussion on those topics unrelated to OP'S issue at all. However, for the purposes of not derailing the thread, respecting the main issue, I just keep at the main issue, while pointing out mistakes on your abstraction. It's just scholarly of me to maintain discussion on a main issue, be mindful of tying in loose sub points in how they relate back to the main issue.

  9. Posted

       It's like, and it's my view, that as soon as pick up and proving others that they have slept with 10s is brought up, that spirituality, basic self help, self actualization and your life vision goes straight out the window. Like people forget they have their own life for a moment lol. This entire issue is a joke to me. Go work on your life. The better your life in general, and in specific, the easier it is to attract.

  11. Posted

    @Scholar

       I understand you were just providing your perspective on handling pedophilia, and I'm not triggered, more curious about your position that when you stated the following:

    13 hours ago, Scholar said:

    I am not informed on what kind of treatments are effective for pedophiles.

     

    Yes

     

    I am not informed on the efficacy of different kinds of treatments for pedophiles. From what I have heard, within the subset of pedophiles, it is usually individuals with anti-social disorders that are the problem.

     

    Yes.

     

    I think it is a combination of both, I am unaware of any treatment that is effective.

     

    However, when we are talking about preventing abuse of child-like beings, adopting a vegan life-style and convincing as many people to do so aswell will be the most effective thing to do for any given individual who is not actively involved in solving these issues through other means.

     

       and claiming your take on the main issue of this thread is limited to not informed, then it becomes clear to me as to why you felt the need to bring up unrelated points simply because you were not informed at all. I just don't see any other reasons why you want to bring in unrelated issues about pedophilia, hijack this thread away from answering the question of how a society should handle pedophiles. You can easily create another thread talking about those other issues instead. Or if you truly are not informed, maybe it's better to go and do the research and learn about pedophilia beforehand, or maybe not saying you are completely not informed. I don't mean to seem like I'm going off on you, but it's just not a scholarly look to be not informed at all to me @Scholar.

  12. Posted

    @Carl-Richard

    7 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

    That's an assumption.

       If you factor out Leo's teachings, psychedelics, spirituality, humanitarianism, animal rights, environmentalism, new age ideas, basically all of stage green's values, and look at a human and animal from the stages below, what do they look like? I posit the majority of the answers will contain a strong distinction between that animal and that human. It's a workable assumption as it's closer to a normative one.

       Putting the above aside, my only gripe with @Scholar, is that he does not have any proposals that answers the OP's question directly with some possible solutions. Instead, he brings argument points unrelated to dealing with pedophilia, like bringing up animal rights, veganism, environmentalism, and while he did bring up the point of compassion which is much closer to a possible solution, the ultimate logical fallout from applying animal welfare and veganism and environmentalism to dealing with pedophilia, is to first make all pedophiles eat a vegan diet, while herding them all in their regions into farms, but the nicest and well taken care ones where they won't have diseases or injuries or further trauma in being treated like farm animals while preventing damage to the environment as best they can. Like wtf does veganism and animal welfare do for providing a practical and psychological solution to pedophiles?

  13. Posted

    @Scholar

    4 hours ago, Scholar said:

    I am not informed on what kind of treatments are effective for pedophiles.

     

    Yes

     

    I am not informed on the efficacy of different kinds of treatments for pedophiles. From what I have heard, within the subset of pedophiles, it is usually individuals with anti-social disorders that are the problem.

     

    Yes.

     

    I think it is a combination of both, I am unaware of any treatment that is effective.

     

    However, when we are talking about preventing abuse of child-like beings, adopting a vegan life-style and convincing as many people to do so aswell will be the most effective thing to do for any given individual who is not actively involved in solving these issues through other means.

       So, basically speaking, you have nothing meaningful to add to OP's question about how a society should handle pedophilia?

  14. Posted

    @Raptorsin7

       So going back to how society should handle pedos question, it's important to recognize that that question is based in morality and ethics of handling such individuals from a societal perspective first. It's also important to know that before we begin we must agree on facts about pedophilia and other statistics and ongoing research beforehand because that provides some basis for possible solutons later. Also, because this is addressing at society, that the value systems of that culture, cognitive development, moral development, personality typing and life experiences a person and those citizens of will vary from state to state, country to country, region to region.

       So, what is the definition of pedophilia, and what is the stereotype of that? For example, immediately to me, that tends to be white and either upper class or middle class, either middle age or older, mostly due to mianstream media depictions of such people from western culture from movies and so on. Now, contrast and compare that to mrgirl's story of his lesbian mom's sexual attempt at him when he was around 8 years old. That's almost a different kind of pedo to deal with than a typical stereotype. How does a society handle a pedo, whose sex is female, sexual orientation is homosexuality, who might have a masculine psyche, who might have had a traumatic childhood, who might think differently due to some degree of abnormality to her brain?

       Because of development psychology in individuals and the development systems in societies, we first have to choose which society, culture and country to be specific about which society handles this issue, because every social matrix is going to handle this issue differently. We then have to agree on what the facts we have on pedophilia going forward, so let's assume we agree there are cases that some individuals are born with a genetic trait for this tendency, and this tendency is also hereditary and eugenic in that the grand parent/parent has suppressed pedo tendency which passes on to the offspring, and that categorically, there are those that offend and those that don't and are suppressing their tendency. Going forward with these assumptions, while keeping in mind different societies have varying approaches to this issue, we can offer treatments plans that would start out abstract enough to be changeable per society standards, and flexible enough to be narrowed down to that particular person with this issue. For example, a pedo who was a victim himself/herself, would get therapy targeting that childhood trauma, tailored to their cognition, sense making and sense metrics. For another whose born with those genetic traits, they could be offered a different approach, like gene therapy. They can be prescribed healthier alternatives like a sex robot, or VR, or guided hypnosis, and so on.

       So, how should societies atound the world handle this issue? It depends per society standards and what each society is willing to address, build infrastructure for, and build specialised treatments for such an issue.

  15. Posted

    @Emotionalmosquito

    12 minutes ago, Emotionalmosquito said:

    LDAR

    Just kidding. Getting arrested by itself isn’t that bad. What’s bad is if they find something to charge you with. So I’ll still keep trying when opportunities arise only I’ll have to walk on eggshells so they don’t have anything that can be pressed as sexual harassment. I.e. not saying  any of the outlandish stuff Leo or the rsd guys get away with. As much as I wish this could be an enjoyable process, it just ain’t realistic. 

       Moreover, it depends on what time of day, the location, and which culture you are trying to do pick up in. There's no way that cold approaching and doing pick up in Las Vegas, would easily translate with the same succass in a different country, with different cultures like in Japan, or in Greece. Not only do we have barriers in value systems from different cultures, but we also have differences in cognitive framework, like male and female psychology, and how one thinks about dating and sex can be pretty different from person to person, like autistic people, or depressed people. Closely related to cognition is personality typing, like if you are way more of a logician, you will filter differently from someone who is more extroverted, versus someone who is highly emotional. Add to that, moral differences and related life experiences in regards to socializing, dating, and sexuality, it's almost an uphill battle to even get laid in the traditional sense.

  17. Posted

    @Scholar

    16 minutes ago, Scholar said:

    The suffering of a 1-5 year old child, or a mentally disabled person, will be far more similar to an animal like a pig, cow or even a chicken, than the suffering of an adult human. Do you care about the suffering of an adult human more than a child, or less?

       What do you suggest we do to properly treat pedophilia?

       Do you think that treatment will depend on the culture and society?

       Which treatment do you think will better this issue?

       Do you think that treatment would come down to the individual?

       Do you think that this issue is more psychological than hard wiring? And which treatment is best for which case?

       

  18. Posted

    @Roy

    4 hours ago, Roy said:

    While punishment for breaking existing laws needs to be handed out, as a society we need to tone down the excessive hate to the point where either pedophiles that have offended or just have thoughts about it, feel like they have the space, resources, and opportunity to get therapy and help for getting past their unfortunate condition.

    It's obvious they shouldn't act on their urges for a list of reasons, but that doesn't mean we need to hate them or blame them for having those urges in the first place. I'm sure pedophiles would love to not feel the way they do, there is probably nothing more internally self-destructive than what they feel, because it is at complete odds with how everyone else wants them to behave.

    A pedophile likes kids for the same reason I like black haired women with massive tits. It's just an internal urge they ended up having for one reason or another. But ultimately we are complete victims to whatever we end up being attracted to. You don't wake up and decide what you are sexually attracted to, you just see it and it's a subjective fact for you.

    Besides it's not even rational the proportion we ostracize pedophiles compared to other sorts of people. In an objective sense, raping or molesting a child isn't as bad as murdering someone. Yet culturally our reactions and behaviors don't correlate to that for some reason.

    They are still human beings that while have made mistakes, still deserve our empathy so they can get better and offer their potential to society.

    Only an extremely rare but select few like genocidal war criminals or chronic serial killers deserved to be abandoned and given the death penalty imo.

       Good points.

  19. Posted

    @Windappreciator

    48 minutes ago, Windappreciator said:

    @Danioover9000

    just stop fighting him.

    it's all on you danio, the bigger compassion position is always the more right one.

       I wasn't fighting @Scholar , I was pointing out how he wants to make animal cruelty and pedophilia the same issue. I have the more compassionate position, by pointing out to him his conflation and that there's a distinction.

  20. Posted

    @Carl-Richard

    2 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

    They're the same in the sense that they're mobile flesh bags that whine when you poke them. Here is my non-autistic actually understandable version of "Name the Trait":

    1. Name one human trait that animals lack.
    2. Take a normal human and remove that trait.
    3. Try to rationalize this human's suffering the same way you do with animals.
    4. If you can't do 3, repeat points 1-3 until you exhaust all traits.

       There are huge differences between the qualia of humans, to the qualia of animals, which he is trying to make animal cruelty the same as pedophilia. Chickens, dogs, cats, pigs, cows, sheep, lambs, tigers, elephants, WAY more different than human forms. And he brought up and conflated the issues with animal cruelty, and placed it on top of pedophilia, as if he doesn't want to address the topic directly and rather talk about animals, like they are better than children.

  21. Posted

    @Consept

    1 hour ago, Consept said:

    The point is fine in that yes you can make the argument that animals suffering is just as important as human suffering, but then the problem with it is that any topic involving human suffering can be dismissed, at least until you sort out the animal suffering issue. If we talk about modern slavery the counter will be "well animals have it worse so...", obviously theres a purpose to talk about human issues regardless. 

       It's just that @Scholar was using human instances and behaviors like rape, torture and genocide of humans, but superimposes those qualities onto animal cruelty, when most users here are talking about what and how to properly treat pedophilia, and not about what and how to properly treat the raising of animals. It's just such a out of left field move, that it feels like @Scholar is either distancing himself from the topic of pedophilia, distorting the topic, projecting and leading away to, from his perspective, a more important topic like animal cruelty over pedophilia. And when others point this out, he then retreats by generalizing the suffering instead of children or animals, but to all beings. He's being slippery here though, but that's what I intuit from him.

  22. Posted

    @Scholar

    1 hour ago, Scholar said:

    It is very interesting, because animals basically are very much akin to small children in terms of their cognition, yet we completely accept raping, slaughtering and enslaving them for our own convenience. Imagine we had a child that would most likely die around 15 years of age and would remain stuck in the mind of a 2-3 year old. Imagine if we took millions of these kinds of children and raped and murdered them so that we can eat their corpses or drink some fluids of theirs. In an objective sense, our culture is completely backwards. Being a meat eater for example is in practice causing far more harm, in an objective sense, to child-like beings than most pedophiles cause with their pedophelia, even if they are predators.

     

    We treat innocent, child-like beings worse than we treat pedophiles and mass murderers. And we also treat them worse than predators treat children and mass murderers treat their murder victims.

     

     

       In an objective sense, animals don't equal human children. So, why are you conflating the suffering of children to animals as if they are the same?

    1 hour ago, Scholar said:

    I crossed out human because it doesn't matter that they are humans, it matters that they are beings, that they are experiencers. That's why we should have compassion for them, not for any other reason. Whether or not they are humans is as relevant as what the color of their skin is.

     

       So, what's your point, and which point is more valuable in this discussion: pedophilia, animal cruelty, or racism? Keep in mind you are potentially derailing the thread when you bring up irrelevant topics.

  23. Posted

       Update: I've had a dream, which contained me, Crysty and the pennywise clown. The location seems to be at some cottage, even though I personally haven't been inside a cottage it contains features of a row of logs, wooden frames, chunky table and so forth. I found myself reciting some verses  in the bible, invoking Jesus Christ, and commanding this clown to leave the house, while Crysty was using energies from some crystals I see around me. To this day dreams are a thing to behold. This was, I think, the first time I'm seeing Crysty, in a dream setting, handling some kind of conflict/fighting with a dream character, which is interesting. Not the first time Crysty entered a dream, but the first time seeing how she handles conflict. I think she entered in the second half of the dream, while I was doing stuff in the house and having this exorcist battle with a clown, I'm not sure about the beginning quarter of the dream.

       I talked to her about the dream, and mentioned that I had a fear of clowns a long time ago, something about them was creepy, the appearance. I brought up a dream with this theme on clowns, but it was in my childhood. In the dream, I saw a clown attacking one of my family members, and a red mist came over my view and I proceeded to continually beat the clown to death. Today, clowns don't freak me out, unless it's a jump scare, but I have no fear of clowns.

  25. Posted

    10 hours ago, Zen LaCroix said:

    According to the test I'm Securely Attached. However, I know that's absolute nonsense lol. 

    The test is too simple and it doesn't take into account the reason for your answers. Also its biased since you are doing a self assessment. People say I don't open up much about myself but I don't feel that way about myself so I just put how I feel about myself on the test.

    When the test asks something like are you afraid of being abandoned or something along those lines I'm not afraid of people abandoning me but the reason is because I kind of expect it. See the reasoning for my answer is very different from someone who is securely attached. And this happened many times in the times resulting in my Secure result. 

       Furthermore, even if I scored secure, this does not correlate to anything in the future of a person's life. It's great I'm a secured attachment style, but I don't want a long term relationship at the moment, or any new relationships or deepen any that I have, so what was the point of the test?

       But hey, nice to know that I have huge potential for stabilizing an intimate relationship from short to long term relationships apparently. I'm just too detached to care about romance.