Nivsch

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    @ValiantSalvatore what does it mean "to process unfold"? The new book will tell me how to help people move up the spiral?

    I read only the introducation (the only pages which available in the internet) and it doesnt look very convincing. It seems the book only reffers the macro (organizations, states and etc) but i want more knowledge about how to make people move up the spiral by one-on-one conversations and things i can say to them to make them want the next stage.

  7. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    I put the extreme right-wing on blue, and the extreme left wing on green.

    "Its politically biased! You say left is superior!"

    I said that no, it just that that early stages are more surviving - MY needs, MY family...

    Right = Me, My, Our...

    So of course that extreme right-wing will be blue and extreme leftist will be green.

    But my friend says "No. Stalin was left!"

    I said - but how he can be left when murdering so many people?

    And he said:

    "because he wanted total equality. He doesnt care only his family but he cares all his society, he cares the whole state. And he thinks everyone is equal.

    He doesnt believe in religion, he believes in sharing agriculture...

    He thinks much more like the left than like the right...

    Therefore stalin is LEFT! "

    What do you think?

     

  8. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    @Joseph Maynor if i know that there are infinite causes and effects for every thing, and all the atoms make me think what i think (Determinism idea) and therefore we can't control anything, we all like moving on a rail road. and that is the prove that all society is one organism. 

    This is not what turqouise understands?

    Because It can be explained scientificly.

     

  10. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    I know what yellow is, but turqouise is not clear to me.

    Yes, turqouise is when yellow is ready to let the things loose, and now (in turqouise) he thinks less, he 'flows' more with the stream and co-oparate with people, he thinks that the world is one organism... he is more spontaneous... I read eckhart tolle book "power of the moment" and i understand and liked very much the book.

    But only agreeing with all that the book says and loving the book doesnt make you turqouise... you have to really be in this stage.

    But how?

    it sounds too amorphic. Unmeasurable and unindicativable.

    Right now i try to chalenge myself to think more and more like yellow.

    But in the future, in couple of years, i want to have any indication to know if i started turqouise or not. How can i ever know?

     

     

     

     

  11. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    @Yellow_Girl but there is also premise 4 - you have to BE the previous stages and live and breath those stages too. And still every blue, orange and green person has something he knows that you dont. In other words - you have work to do in order to go turquoise. Maybe your best friend will be at yellow and above. Its ok. But you steel have a lot to learn from every stage especially in embracing every stage (healthy parts) through your LEGS (and not through mind) !!

    Also send spiral dynamics to your friends and family.

     

     

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    3 hours ago, ajasatya said:

    look, lack of humility also causes suffering. are you self-proclaiming yourself as yellow? yellow is a tier 2 stage, which means that one at yellow has fully grasped the necessity of different stages in everyone's life and in every culture out there.

    if you're feeling lonely, then let go of the place you think you are and go back to the basics. talk to people, hug, make eye contact. tell someone that you feel lonely. human connection does not depend on "stages" or "beliefs". a silent and deep eye contact can break many barriers.

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  13. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    @CreamCat I read vegan people who said its a lie. Its seems to me quite rare to be care of all-animals life in red blue stages.

    But even if its true, it just because he grasped animals as the right kind of living-being and jews, homosexuals and gypsies as the wrong side.

    It is still a racial ideology.

    If someone thinks of some races of humans as viruses, it is no problem for him to put the animals above them. 

    I think animals are totally equal to humans in the end of the day.

     

  16. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    Orange use only researches and cold logical details to tell him what food is healthy ?‍♂️

    Green knows that our intuition and senses are MUCH better indicators to know whats healthy because fruits and vegetables were adapted to us biologically during evolution of millions of years, and no scientist will EVER be smarter than this.

    Yellow will use both the wisdom of nature and science to know more accurately how to manage his nutrition cleverly to not have defficiencies. for example science shows us that iodine is diluted from the ground becuase of the excessive industrial use, and therefore its important to take this mineral from organic seaweed or to buy the food from natural and very specific farms. 

     

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    @d0ornokey  Yellow - vegan/vegetarian rate will be like green or above in my opinion.

    Turquoise - even higher rate.

    14 hours ago, d0ornokey said:

    Blue: 

    We've eaten like this for centuries! It's tradition!

    The cow is holy. Do not eat cow. 

    Our lord said no xyz food. Therefore, there shall be no xyz food

    We eat at this time of day, this certain food, in this manner. That's just how it's done. 

     

    Orange: 

    Mmm yummy! Idc what it is! Gimme! Taste good

    Drugs give me mind gains 

    I love to drink and eat pizza while drunk and also pizza the next morning for breakfast. Cuz fuck it, pizza is yummy

    This study say milk good. Therefore, milk good. Period. 

    Fuck my health long-term. I want to feel good now / I want results now. 

    I want to look sexy as fuck

     

    Green: 

    I would love to try your culture's food please

    I eat for my well-being and to feel good on a day to day basis

    Can I have the organic, gluten-free, animal product free, chemical free, processed free, natural one please? :) 

    I love you, plant :). Plant: I love you too. I have my own garden. It's nice. I think it's extra nutritious this way because I make love to my plants so there's like more vitamins in it cuz of that I thinkk. 

    Fuck you, you fucking asshole. You ate that fucking cow? FUCK YOU, YOU ANIMAL KILLER (hehe this is a sliver of green, not all greens lol)

    I take care of my body, spirit, health and mind with nutritiously dense foods. I eat intuitively 

    me: hi gut what do you want to eat today? Gut: I want carrot. me: okay, here's a carrot

     

    Yellow: (plz correct me)

    There is no one way of eating. There's a different style for everyone

     

    Turq: (i have no idea how this manifests)

    I am the cow

    This cows death was essential for the goodness of reality 

     

     

    plz add or correct! it's satire but also pretty accurate id say. idk much about yellow or turq tho

     

     

  22. Posted · Edited by Nivsch

    And do 15-30 minutes of just whatching my thoughts/emotions, the mind is smarter than you and it will by-pass it, in a way that you THINK you are watching objectively, but in the sub consiouse level, the mind filters out all the uncomfortable watching and let me do the "watch" only on the things it allows me! that's what i think happen to me.

    You think you do a "broadband" whatching but actually it is not the case, and during the months my mind get used to it (in similar way it respond less and less to antidepresants i think) and I feel i am actually keep doing the same neural rout in my brain all the time! It feels to me like it becomes the new default line for my brain and if feels much LESS effective over time.

    Have you feel like that too? and what did you do to get out of this and restore the effectiveness like you had in the start?