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    11 hours ago, LastThursday said:

    Yes. 

    Where does thought end? Say you saw a familiar person in the street. You walk up to them and no, they're someone else. Was that familiar person just a thought or was it your reality at that point? What's the difference between thought and reality?

    Well thought is a subset within reality. You gotta have a reality before you can have a thought. 

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    23 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    That is NOT micro-dosing.

    Micro-dosing MDMA is a bad idea because MDMA is not good for you and it will permanently desensitize your brain. Pretty soon it will stop working entirely on you.

    Stick to LSD or shrooms.

    What exactly does it desensitize your brain to? Ive taken MDMA multiple times, 2 years ago I did some Consciousness work trying out the Hippy flip, Candy flip, and Soul Bombing and documented my experience. I usually spaced it out 3-6 months in between. ( I know you said not to mix stuff so it was a one time experiment.) How ever, this year and last year I been making it a New years eve only thing, as im aware of the damage but not the permanence of it, I thought neurochemical levels recover and renormalized, so some concern arose after I read your comment? Should I discontinue use of it even as a New Years eve only trip? 

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    15 hours ago, LastThursday said:

    My condolences. I understand how difficult it is when a parent passes away.

    I wouldn't consider subvocalising when reading to be thought per se, it's just a mechanical action. It may trigger thoughts though, such as images, feelings and so on. It may even trigger further subvocalising which has nothing to do with what you're reading, so that would be a form of thought.

    Thought is a complex interplay of many different experiences, subvocalising is just one aspect. If you think about it, you could also think visually in words, it needn't be auditory. For example people who spell visually (in their mind's eye), are often better spellers than those that do it auditorily. They are thinking visually in words.

    Yeah you know what, I have noticed that. Thoughts do appear as a separate sensation if you will, during reading. Almost like above or behind the sub vocalization. Yes I actually will sometimes need to visually represent the words in my mind when spelling and listening to others under certain circumstances. Its very useful for spelling. Its also funny you pointed out the aspects. During Martial Arts training tonight, I actually noticed how my mind runs multiple layers of thinking at a time. There are aspects of thinking that represent what i am hearing or listening to the instructor sometimes subvocalizing repeating after him, what i am seeing thinking about exactly what i see and visualize in my mind, and interpreting the concept of the techniques, thought aspects of observing those around me which is different from just the seeing of them its almost analyzing like, as well as an additional layer monitoring my own body, All at the same time. It complex AF lol.

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    1 hour ago, LastThursday said:

    @Kamo don't get me wrong. I subvocalise with the best of them. Just not computer code or thought. I wish I could read without doing it too, it would be cool in a nerdy way. Reading isn't thought though. I'm very intrigued to know what happened to you at 24? Hopefully I won't regret the question?

    Well my mom passed away when I was 23. i didnt take it well..So i experience a what i understand now to be an egoic deconstruction because i had so much of my identity tied to my mom. It sort of lead me to a more spiritually oriented mentality because then i started question reality. Then I found Leo and been following ever since, since he provided many answers to questions I had since my perception of reality was breaking down and i was having trouble trying to understand wtf was going on. Post Traumatic Growth I believe its called that i went through. 

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    1 hour ago, LastThursday said:

    Indeed my perception differs which is why I go on about it.

    When I do computer programming for example, I don't actually talk to myself in Javascript, that would insanity. No. It is thought, but it's not my internal voice. It's a mixture of images, memories, "knowing", finger memory, intuition and so on, there's hardly internal voice going on at all (except to curse at bugs).

    It seems completely alien to people that they could actually think without talking to themselves, I find it amusing and weird.

    Thats really cool, I think id prefer that. For example when I read as I am reading your message and replying this mind has to listen to the words internally or subvocalize. Its not much of an apparent choice there is. Sometimes I can skim quickly and still know the words without having to "say" it in my head, Meditation seems to be the primary training tool for this. Do you have any recommendations? It wasn't always like this tho. For me the subvocalizing didnt come online till I was about 24. Im 31 now. My mind was completely silent before that? More images. 

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     I was on 5MeO DMT, I was sitting in the passenger seat of my friends car as we chilled in a parking lot, He helped me light the pipe. I inhaled fully, held it..as I exhaled this white almost yellowish rushing light fully engulfed my entire perception. There was only the awareness of my breath and the rushing light. Then perception of being in space as if I was the entire planet floating there appeared before my eyes. I could see sun rays shining from my left but not the sun directly, unable to move or look anywhere, I could see what appeared to be other planets or moons off in the distance. Certainly an "outer space" appearance, The feeling felt Overwhelmingly familiar! Very pleasant, I could hear thoughts repeating "This is so familiar?" Like Ive been there before? Like Home with a capital H. There was no sense of time but eventually sitting back in the car rematerialized in front of my eyes, the parking lot my friend and this body materialized back into my perception. 

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    5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

    If I was fully awake, there would not be a Universe.

    I am God dreaming.

    You have to really appreciate how much degrees of wokeness there are. What most woke people call wokeness is like 1% of full wokeness. If you were fully woke you could materialize a planet with a mere thought.

    @Leo Gura Leo, You mentioned "materialize a planet with mere thought", it reminded me when I was on 5MeO DMT, I had already been following your content for awhile and your videos about 5MeO encouraged me to try it for myself. I was sitting in the passenger seat of my friends car as we chilled in a parking lot, He helped me light the pipe. I inhaled fully, held it..as I exhaled this white almost yellowish rushing light fully engulfed my entire perception. There was only the awareness of my breath and the rushing light. Then perception of being in space as if I was the entire planet floating there appeared before my eyes. I could see sun rays shining from my left but not the sun directly, unable to move or look anywhere, I could see what appeared to be other planets or moons off in the distance. Certainly an "outer space" appearance, The feeling felt Overwhelmingly familiar! Very pleasant, I could hear thoughts repeating "This is so familiar?" Like Ive been there before? Like Home with a capital H. There was no sense of time but eventually sitting back in the car rematerialized in front of my eyes, the parking lot my friend and this body materialized back into my perception. Could you explain anything about this experience to me?  Was that the Absolute? Then back sitting in the car is the relative? Are those good reference points to refer to understand? What facet of awakening was revealed to me? Its literally the single most important experience in my life, as it has recontexualized my mind and allowed me to understand all of your content more deeply. Any feedback would be GREATLY appreciated!

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    6 minutes ago, Gianna said:

    @Hulia Not a movie but a Hulu series! Is that the one you are referring to? 

     

    Yes. Regardless of the how, he still did not open his heart up to receive my love. He got trapped into his head, instead of feeling the love he could have received in his body. 

    At that time he could only operate from the current level of consciousness he was at. The option to open up was not available to his train of thoughts. When he grows himself more those options will come online for him. From you current level of consciousness that option is obvious to you, and for him it just wasnt the cards he had on hand lol.

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    18 minutes ago, Gianna said:

    I gave a man a compliment and his entire body tensed up. It's like he wanted the interaction while simultaneously running away from it. Why are we so closed off to receiving each other's love?

    It's easy to give. People feel good about giving, it's why they do it. Because when we give, it makes us believe we are good. But when it comes to receiving, this goodness goes out the window. We cannot believe we are good when receiving, so we close ourselves. Suddenly, people do not want to believe they are good. They do not and will not think to themselves, "I am good. So I let myself receive this. I let myself receive this because I am good and I want to feel myself as good." Instead, they can only imagine themselves feeling and being good when they are giving to someone else. Why is this? 

    It is because we are living in a world built on conditional love. The world that says, "I can only feel good when I give and I know I deserve it. If I do nothing, I cannot know I deserve anything. And so I cannot receive anything without knowing I deserve it." The world that sounds like, "if I receive and I do not give back, I am worthless. I am only worth what I can give. I don't deserve to receive while doing nothing, being nothing." 

    We need to open ourselves up to unconditional love from one another. We need to feel our bodies. We need to let the feeling in our bodies manifest without resistance. We need to love deeply and let love fall deeply. 

    Actually its more likely because he got stuck in his own mind. He most likely thought you were interested in him, as guys will normally assume this when complimented by a woman, so he became self conscious and unsure of the proper response. He most likely felt the need to want to make sure he said the right things which created the inner resistance. 

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    ok yeah i just wanted to clarify, I had figured that was basically what you meant by that. Thats the same for me as well. People try to "get" enlightenment and thats a misunderstanding of what it is. Its not something someone can "attain" as you know, As you said its more of a process. Adya has some good ways of pointing to it for sure. I like his books. Meditation has so many benefits in its own right just for the human physiology and psychology. Let alone spiritual growth. So its a habit ill continue regardless, as you. Thank you for sharing.

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    On 7/29/2021 at 8:29 AM, nistake said:

    @Kamo That distinct feeling of separation has gone (along with the tremendous amount of unnecessary suffering) and well, it's hard to describe, but it's like a light switch for me. I can switch between the relative and Absolute almost instantly. Anyway, that's not to say I float in nondual awareness 24/7 :D

    That's the reason I still meditate and doing other practises. I don't do them to seek anything or to get anywhere, but I do them to deepen my baseline level of consciousness.

    Is deepening your baseline level a form of seeking something or getting somewhere? The something or somewhere sounds like the new baseline?

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    On 7/29/2021 at 1:39 PM, Sonny said:

    @Swarnim Well... because I have the idea that souls would have a long long journey before heading back to complete oneness. So in the end it's the same, I get where you are coming from. But then I have atleast the idea that beyond the material ego world, there are others. For example... maybe it would take a million lifes to get back to oneness. So then, I don't really care about that lonely oneness feeling and I would see it all as a beautiful journey. But having the idea that this life is just created by me and after that, it's back to square one, it's just upsetting to me, there is no real point to it and I'm all alone. In the end, it doesn't matter, because with non-duality, I am all alone, but atleast beyond this life there is more duality, before that non duality. It also prevents me from connecting deeply to others, if it's just me who I am interacting with.

    But I don't really know what the fear is based upon.

    Watch Leos video on Nihilism your just hitting one of the walls within Nihilism, when you loop it back and find your meaning then its all good. Just be patient with yourself and realize your current life is the journey you get to construct, so have fun with it. Focus on this life rather "beyond" The ego mind will have trouble with this because its based on survival and wants. Wants fall away when your ego dissolves more. Your thoughts of it being upsetting will also fall away as if you never even had them. The oneness becomes a feeling not an idea that its pleasant to be with.

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    @BipolarGrowth Respect! I have the same thoughts about this. Leos work has absolutely put my life on an entire different trajectory and the degree of how his work has shaped my mind is profound.  @Daniel347 He is from what I have researched and seen from my own experience been one of the first or at least few to make the information more relatable to modern times. Definitely the leading in "Advanced Personal Development" in comparison to "personal development" regular personal development does not normally reach Tier 2 thinking where as majority of Leos content is Tier 2. When you reach Tier 2 thinking your whole mind recontextualizes the way you see the world and Leos content can directly facilitate this type of growth with work.

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    @VeganAwake I agree, it feels like any resistance that was there relaxed up or dissolved. As if this character needs upheld and in doing so creates an inner tension. There was no more thinking. Which it seems I have preconceived notions of needing thought to interact or have simply been so "reliant" on thought to interact, specifically the verbal stream of language in order to communicate. That when that ceased there was only a soft confusion, yet a peaceful feeling. 

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    So today during Martial Arts training my sparring partner and I were doing hand and arm manipulations in which we both counter each other's manipulation or reverse it. Doing this exercise confusion arose as we both were unsure of a correct technique, my sense of self fell away I actually became confused on which person I was. This non-dual state felt effortless yet confusing. I've experienced this state in the past where I had no understanding of what it was and was struggling to comprehend my reality. I felt lost but this time after doing consciousness work it was comprehendible. I became conscious of the ego as it was gone for those short moments and then after it reintegrated I became able to understand what happened. I asked my partner if he noticed that too and to no surprise he experienced the same thing as I described. The oneness of experience it's quite amazing. It was rather tricky to be able to function from this state , life happens but there is no "You" I wonder how a "node of consciousness" is able to function from this state even using language became unmanageable until the ego reintegrated? If you guys have any stories to share or insights about this id love to hear them. 

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    @Matthew85 Thank You, I understand this is the surface level of it but going any further beyond that will just confuse people. Giving people the deep stuff before you introduce the shallow stuff just leaves a massive opening for confusion and systematic uncertainty. Then we get all these reactions and aversions and that doesnt help anyone lol.

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    @electroBeam Your welcome brother, Thank you for positively acknowledging it. I appreciate that as well. Im very glad you understood it! Its tricky to communicate this stuff. I noticed we here on the forum would create a much better environment to learn and grow when we try to work at a persons level if we choose to offer advice. Yes of course it is deeper than that, and becomes increasing more challenging to understand, Its easy to just say it how it is from the experienced state of consciousness, and think your all wise, but what is wisdom if your not executing proper use of it. What sense will that make to talk about it to others unless you help bring them up to some form of relating to it to get them going, the process will then take care of itself if you remain consistent on contemplating it . The reconextualizing is the most important part. As you grow even all that will again recontextualize, Its challenging enough to understand these things let alone communicate it to others who are trying to understand it. It also helps clarify for my own experience when i can communicate my understanding of it which helps me grow as well. This is my perspective of it and everyone will have a unique version based on where they are at but generally it can be understand in simple terms and again letting it go to work itself out. Its just like teaching martial arts you cant teach Black belt stuff to a White belt. You can but its just too much. You have to break it down some so the mind can start to see the pieces and you start to understand how the structures unfold and turn into new forms. Allowing growth of ways of interpreting. You can show the same move 3 times and 3 different times you see something different, then you begin to interconnect ways of thinking about it that unlock new aspects.