Tucker Carlson to interview Putin

[Danioover9000]

@Karmadhi

On 2024-02-14 at 10:31 PM, Karmadhi said:

Then why did they threaten to revoke Benzema citizenship?

https://www.politico.eu/article/france-senator-gerard-darmanin-demand-karim-benzema-stripped-citizenship-muslim-brotherhood-accusation/

Also this video shows freedom of speech can be abused heavily in the West.

 

 

You could loose your job. That is very problematic. Also this 15 year of jail thing is if you go on a protest or something. Not if you post a facebook post. In Russia journalists and political activists get jailed. 99.999% of people are neither of those. So that heavy oppression does not happen to them. Or am i wrong here?

I am not saying that freedom of speech is as bad in the West as in Russia. In Russia it is definetly worse. You go to jail and all. However, the West having this freedom of speech and stuff to me seems a bit over the top. There is just LESS oppression regarding freedom of speech, not NONE.

Invading other countries and freedom of speech are independent variables. 

USA has invaded the most countries in the world in the last decades and they have quite decent freedom of speech (according to your definition of it). 

Therefore it is true that the rich gulf countries foreign policy is far less toxic and problematic than Russia. However USA foreign policy is probably more problematic than Russia's and USA does not suffer from the speech repression. So you are comparing apples and oranges.

You got a point here. I did not think of it like that. Thank you for bringing it up. I stand corrected.

   I might be missing context here, but wouldn't just fucking some waffles be like a pornography kink? I mean if it's well made waffles with really good strawberry or chocolate sauce and whip cream, and you take your time eating them, wouldn't that be something like food porn? Was it a coded insult for a slur???I'm glad I'm not using Twitter most times, but sometimes they be so confusing in choosing what to censor or not. Let a man/woman enjoy some waffles, while they can taste desserts.

[VictorB02]

5 hours ago, Nivsch said:

I agree this is needed. Western media in the future will must be much more regulated and be allowed to be used more freely according to the development level of the user. AI too will must be heavily regulated.

So... a social credit score? 

Edited February 16 by VictorB02

[Ajay0]

On 2/12/2024 at 9:31 PM, zazen said:

A democracy isn't immune from corruption or plutocracy - these are just more intricately woven into the fabric of government and done with sophistication. Democracy means rule by the people for the people - the implication that this is superior is based on the assumption that you have a informed populace who know whats good for them over a ignorant one that don't - more informed than entertained.

Excellent point. Lets not forget that Socrates was persecuted and poisoned to death by a democratic government on the ludicrous charges that he was corrupting the youth with his ideas emphasizing logic and critical thinking.

  The quality of a democratic government depends on the quality of the populace and its leaders characterized by high levels of education and proper judgement. If knowledge and judgement is lacking, a dictatorship having the same will triumph over a democracy lacking the same.

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  In a classical dictatorship the dictator is overt, out in the open, dictating everything top down. In a imperfect democracy that is a form of inverted dictatorship the dictators are in the shadows of corporate boardrooms and lobby groups who dictate policies not aligned to the people from within.

Noam Chomsky had also stated the dangers of plutocratic entities acting clandestinely behind the scenes and manipulating government policies to suit their interests even if it goes against public interests. The elected politicians have to serve the capitalists servilely as it is their money that bankrolled their expensive election campaigns. 
 

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“Large corporations have resources to influence media and overwhelm the political process, and do so accordingly.” ~ Noam Chomsky

“It’s ridiculous to talk about freedom in a society dominated by huge corporations. What kind of freedom is there inside a corporation? They’re totalitarian institutions - you take orders from above and maybe give them to people below you. There’s about as much freedom as under Stalinism.”~ Noam Chomsky

 

 

[erik8lrl]

10 hours ago, Nivsch said:

Do you mean that the solution is to surrender to the chaos and sort of embrace it in a healthy way?

I think the solution would appear when people reach a point in Western democracy where the chaos hurts their survival so badly that they would have no choice but to change. The ability of sense-making will be developed out of survival. The restructure of systems will need great events to trigger. However, things like education and development are long-term processes, which a 4 year per term election can't incentivize. Whether people wake up and start to seek change for better leaders and policies or they will be stuck in the negative election cycle is yet to be seen. 
Ultimately, the best thing one can do is to develop oneself as much as one can since you can't change other people's free will without negative effects. If everyone understands the importance of personal development and works toward greater understanding, the problem is as good as solved. 

[erik8lrl]

5 hours ago, VictorB02 said:

So... a social credit score? 

I think at this point in time, it's not practical to apply real censorship of any kind in most of the Western World. It's a difficult problem. 
The root of the problem is education and survival. These are the two pillars of development. If people's survival needs are met, they tend to start aiming for higher development. With the help of education, it will speed up the process. Imagine if public education taught important concepts like developmental psychology, spiral dynamics, conscious politics, etc. It would help. But the problem with the current systems, for the US especially, is that it creates a negative feedback loop where the people elect bad leaders and they make bad policies, which feeds back into the lack of development in society. If people need to be developed/educated to elect a good leader, and yet there is no system in place that can educate or help them develop, then they might never elect someone good. But I think eventually, things will get so bad that they might be forced to develop such ability and make changes.    

[Ajay0]

40 minutes ago, erik8lrl said:

 If people need to be developed/educated to elect a good leader, and yet there is no system in place that can educate or help them develop, then they might never elect someone good. But I think eventually, things will get so bad that they might be forced to develop such ability and make changes.    

 The said system is supposed to be an objective and fair media.  However most of them are corporate or government owned and consequently objectivity goes for a toss as the media has to serve corporate interests or government propaganda , and cannot portray them in a poor light even in the light of poor policies and decisionmaking.

In India, a business tycoon and multi-billionaire has bought a couple of media institutions in what is said to be a blow to media objectivity and freedom. This said billionaire had in the past threatened media institutions with defamation suits, but is now finding it more productive to buy them instead at present and developing them into platforms that advance his companies interests.  He is just copying the modus operandi of his capitalist colleagues in the west . 

Many western intellectuals have warned of the same as well...

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In a capitalist society the mass media are capitalist institutions. The fact that these institutions reflect the ideology of dominant economic interests is hardly surprising. ~ Noam Chomsky

“Large corporations have resources to influence media and overwhelm the political process, and do so accordingly.” ~ Noam Chomsky

He who controls the media controls the minds of the public. ~ Noam Chomsky,

“In actual fact it would seem that during the Cold War, if not during World War II, this country has become frankly a warfare state built on affluence, a power structure in which the interests of big business, the obsessions of the military, and the phobias of political extremists both dominate and dictate our national policy.

It also seems that the people of the country are by and large reduced to passivity, confusion, resentment, frustration, thoughtlessness and ignorance, so that they blindly follow any line that is unraveled for them by the mass media.” ~ Thomas Merton, Cold War Letters


“The media's the most powerful entity on earth. They have the power to make the innocent guilty and to make the guilty innocent, and that's power. Because they control the minds of the masses.” ~ Malcolm X


The press is so powerful in its image-making role, it can make the criminal look like he's a the victim and make the victim look like he's the criminal. This is the press, an irresponsible press. It will make the criminal look like he's the victim and make the victim look like he's the criminal. If you aren't careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.~ Malcolm X

 

Edited February 16 by Ajay0

[erik8lrl]

11 hours ago, Nivsch said:

I agree this is needed. Western media in the future will must be much more regulated and be allowed to be used more freely according to the development level of the user. AI too will must be heavily regulated.

I also think AI might be the key to solving this problem if used well with good intentions. Sense-making is very easy for AI, and soon it will be able to do it at an insane level of complexity. Google just announced an LLM that can have 1 million tokens as a context window. Perhaps one solution is to apply an AI context system for media. Where the AI will collect all the information on a topic or event and look at it objectively, then present the facts in a fair way. Similar to community notes on X/Twitter, but AI-generated. 

Of course, the training of the AI needs to be as unbiased and objective as possible, and regulations will need to be implemented to prevent dangerous use cases. 
AI as a tech could either solve all our problems or destroy us.  

[erik8lrl]

 

[erik8lrl]

Canadian immigrating to Russia, pretty wild.

[erik8lrl]

Reaction from an American living in Russia.

[erik8lrl]

Covert censorship in the West has been in place for a long time to manipulate public perceptions. But the use of AI to censor is interesting and probably true. 

Edited February 17 by erik8lrl

[Rafael Thundercat]

 

[Danioover9000]

   Great example of weaponized humour:

   So guess which bias and preference he's in service to, based on his tonality, body language, word choices ECT?

[Leo Gura]

Jon Stewart has not lost his touch.

[Nemra]

@Leo Gura I have been recently watching him and I'm amazed by and love his character.

Edited February 20 by Understander

[Leo Gura]

@Understander His monologues have always been brilliant. Cutting right through the bullshit.

People like Tucker are grade A bullshit artists. And Jon Stewart is the antidote.

Edited February 20 by Leo Gura

[Nemra]

@Leo Gura 

I need that kind of person in my life, as I sometimes can't put words together to tell someone that he or she is wrong or biased about something. His monologues literally warm my heart.

Edited February 20 by Understander

[Extreme Z7]

Man, that Tucker Carlson bit felt like a parody.

My favorite part was when he went "I feel radicalised against our leaders. That's right, RADICALISED".

He is a man of great subtlety.

[Consept]

It's hilarious that Putin said Tucker didnt ask hard enough questions 

[Leo Gura]

New theory: Putin killed Navalny just to troll Trucker.

Edited February 21 by Leo Gura