New War In Israel / Gaza

[Scholar]

46 minutes ago, Kshantivadin said:

The topic is not to blame. After spending some time away from the forum, I am in disbelief about what the users write and what I can infer about their minds and existence from the way they express themselves. All in all, it's entertaining sometimes.

Also, what's laughable is that you seriously think consciousness can be degenerated.

Of course the topic is not to blame, it's the level of consciousness of the people on here.

 

And consciousness of course can be degenerated. It just depends on what you mean by consciousness.

[Danioover9000]

   IMO a bad look on Destiny:

 

   Also the following 2 videos highlights the problems with this thread: Facts DO care about your feelings, but FEELINGS DON'T!

 

 

[Danioover9000]

@Kshantivadin

On 03/02/2024 at 4:37 PM, Kshantivadin said:

The topic is not to blame. After spending some time away from the forum, I am in disbelief about what the users write and what I can infer about their minds and existence from the way they express themselves. All in all, it's entertaining sometimes.

Also, what's laughable is that you seriously think consciousness can be degenerated.

   Technically you could degenerate the expression of consciousness. For example some have heavy metal poisoning, or have CBT(concussive brain trauma) that can alter states of consciousness, especially behaviours. Another example is that one guy who survived a pipe blown inti his brain, but he degenerated from that and his developmental psychology changed.

[Danioover9000]

   Can some of you on the other side stop belittling @Twentyfirst, @Karmadhi and @Merkabah Star? They've got some decent takes in this situation, especially @zazen. Mostly in terms of language or just the undertone of the back and forth is a bit hateful.

Edited February 6, 2024 by Danioover9000

[Twentyfirst]

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

   Can some of you on the other side stop belittling @Twentyfirst, @Karmadhi and @Merkabah Star? They've got some decent takes in this situation, especially @zazen. Mostly in terms of language or just the undertone of the back and forth is a bit hateful.

I don't feel like they are coming from hate but extreme ignorance. No matter how much evidence I provide they don't move an inch 

[lina]

Basically no evidence has been found.

[lina]

Great interview with Alon Mizrahi 

[Karmadhi]

On Israel (actualized.org)

A video Leo posted on the blog about this conflict

[Karmadhi]

On 03/02/2024 at 5:02 PM, Scholar said:

It's laughable how you guys interact with each other and analyse this conflict.

I saw some of your first comments and you seem bias on the Israeli position so I doubt you are above this.

You are quick to criticize Hamas devilry but you do not criticize Israel devilry much.

Ignoring that decade long Israeli policies that went against International laws  are the main reason Hamas is in power and the attack happened.

Unless you are willing to admit this much, you cannot call yourself truly objective.

Edited February 6, 2024 by Karmadhi

[Nivsch]

8 hours ago, lina said:

 

Yes it would be better if the eastern Jews used their connection to the Arabic culture they grew up nearby it, and utilize it to make closer relationships with the Palestinians and Israeli Arabs here, when our society were more acceptable to it.

Every country will have to maintain some kind of a bubblish thinking in order to survive, and there is a tension here between this need and his personal need.

But to draw this with only dark colors and to overlook hamas and Palestinians responsibility is an extremely biased approach he comes from and Owen nodded to with his head with that passion on his body language because it serves his anti Israeli emotional agenda.

They are completely filter out the beauty and the many good sides and strengths Israel's society has. There are always trade offs with any direction we want to define ourselves towards.

Edited February 6, 2024 by Nivsch

[Danioover9000]

@Nivsch

7 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Yes it would be better if the eastern Jews used their connection to the Arabic culture they grew up nearby it, and utilize it to make closer relationships with the Palestinians here.

Every country will have to maintain a bubblish thinking in order to survive and there is a tension here between this need and his personal need.

But to draw this with only dark colors is another thing, and also after that to preach about Gaza's situation without talk about hamas and Palestinians responsibility is right here the extremely biased approach he comes from and Owen nodded to with his head with that passion on his body language because it serves his anti Israeli emotional agenda.

    Nobody is saying Owen here isn't allowed to have his own ideological beliefs and biases.

[Nivsch]

1 hour ago, Danioover9000 said:

 

Nobody is saying Owen here isn't allowed to have his own ideological beliefs and biases.

Agree, but when it becomes too rasping and dissonant it is better to point this out for what it is.

Edited February 6, 2024 by Nivsch

[Danioover9000]

   Just like Osho says, this Israel/Palestine conflict is a HUGE trap by the USA/UK.

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   Great insights here guys, just open your minds up and listen up. I don't even know why some people here hate Owen for expressing himself here, and saying his opinions. Maybe RSD get's more dates than you or something, like IDK. In a democracy he has rights to freedom of speech, to express his biases and preferences, even if he gets more lays than you it's more a you problem.

[Vrubel]

6 hours ago, Danioover9000 said:

 Just like Osho says, this Israel/Palestine conflict is a HUGE trap by the USA/UK.

What a silly and gaslighty perspective. I bet America is created by the French as a huge trap to have the Civil War and 9/11.

Israel was created by no one apart from Jews. It got legitimacy from a United Nations vote and yeah the territory was controlled by the British which was open to Jewish immigration (until it wasn't and Jews and Brits fought each other for a short while). After the British left, Israel declared independence. On the same day, surrounding Arab countries attacked and Israel fought a year-long war of independence. Noteworthy with smuggled WW2 weapons from Czechoslovakia because of a global embargo. In that same war, many Palestinians fled and were not allowed to return, so for them it's the Nakba. Only somewhere around the 70's America developed a special relationship with Israel after it became clear that the country would survive and even thrive.

I know real history, kid. If you want to do revisionism you better use your brain and real history.
 

Edited February 6, 2024 by Vrubel

[ArcticGong]

3 hours ago, Vrubel said:

What a silly and gaslighty perspective. I bet America is created by the French as a huge trap to have the Civil War and 9/11.

Israel was created by no one apart from Jews. It got legitimacy from a United Nations vote and yeah the territory was controlled by the British which was open to Jewish immigration (until it wasn't and Jews and Brits fought each other for a short while). After the British left, Israel declared independence. On the same day surrounding Arab countries attacked and Israel fought a year-long war of independence. Noteworthy with smuggled WW2 weapons from Czechoslovakia because of a global embargo. In that same war, many Palestinians fled and were not allowed to return, so for them it's the Nakba, hence the conflict and the vicious cycle of terrorism and anti-terrorism. Somewhere around the 70's America developed a special relationship with Israel after it became clear that the country would survive and even thrive.

I know real history, kid. If you want to do revisionism you better use your brain and real history.
 

Furthermore, America support many nations because they wanna avoid that the soviets or another big player fills the vacuum.

 

[Danioover9000]

@Vrubel

4 hours ago, Vrubel said:

What a silly and gaslighty perspective. I bet America is created by the French as a huge trap to have the Civil War and 9/11.

Israel was created by no one apart from Jews. It got legitimacy from a United Nations vote and yeah the territory was controlled by the British which was open to Jewish immigration (until it wasn't and Jews and Brits fought each other for a short while). After the British left, Israel declared independence. On the same day, surrounding Arab countries attacked and Israel fought a year-long war of independence. Noteworthy with smuggled WW2 weapons from Czechoslovakia because of a global embargo. In that same war, many Palestinians fled and were not allowed to return, so for them it's the Nakba. Only somewhere around the 70's America developed a special relationship with Israel after it became clear that the country would survive and even thrive.

I know real history, kid. If you want to do revisionism you better use your brain and real history.
 

   Technically the PLO/Palestine was formed by the KGB from Russia, and with some help from both Britain and the USA Israel formed, therefore it's a proxy war on the grander scheme of things between Israel/Palestine, which is why I agree with OSHO here:

 

   I never tagged you, yet you felt the immature need to jump on in. Please behave yourself, I don't want to argue or fling personal attacks back, it's a bad look to Actualized.org. Please stop insulting me here and m.

Edited February 6, 2024 by Danioover9000

[Sincerity]

4 hours ago, Vrubel said:

I know real history, kid. If you want to do revisionism you better use your brain and real history.

No condescending language please. This applies to everyone.

[Nivsch]

34 minutes ago, Danioover9000 said:

@Vrubel

   Technically the PLO/Palestine was formed by the KGB from Russia

Do you mean the PLO?

This can explain many things, and not for good (if this is true). Can you add a link that shows that?

Edited February 6, 2024 by Nivsch

[Karmadhi]

7 hours ago, Vrubel said:

In that same war, many Palestinians fled and were not allowed to return, so for them it's the Nakba.

20.000 of them were killed in massacres and hundreds of villages burned down. 

They were kicked out and killed.

Watch some interviews with actual soldiers at the time before spinning out propaganda.

Saying they simply "fled" ignores Israeli ruthless war crimes and ethnic cleansing.

Ironically Hamas attacked the same villages (land wise) that Israel burned down during the Nakba and then later established their own kibutzes.

These things do not happen randomly.

I find it weird that you are against Russia taking Ukranian land that does not belong to Russia but find it ok when Israel takes Palestinian land that does not belong to them by doing ethnic cleansing.

Double standards much.

And I am not talking about politics and "soverign country" stuff. I am talking about kicking out people that lived in X place since forever.

I read some of your posts and you seem to have a somewhat racist attitude toward Palestinians. You do not seem them as equal to Israelis fundamentally. Dont you think most Palestinians are decent normal people like most people in the world are? Personally I do not see much difference between most Palestinians and Israelis on a fundamental level.

Edited February 7, 2024 by Karmadhi

[Karmadhi]

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/shocking-spike-in-use-of-unlawful-lethal-force-by-israeli-forces-against-palestinians-in-the-occupied-west-bank/

No Hamas there either.

When will you guys realize Israel brutality is not due to "Hamas".