Posted November 2, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said: @Nivsch Why not propose the evacuation of all women and children from Gaza? It is certain that none of them are members of Hamas Because Egypt closed the door for them and they can't go out. But Israel told them to evacuate to the south where there is food and water and very little (realatively) bombing Of course your idea is good, and to oppose to this and be against such idea is pure hypocrisy and support the terror. Edited November 2, 2023 by Nivsch 🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 2, 2023 8 minutes ago, Nivsch said: Because Egypt closed the door for them Camps could be located in Israel, thus demonstrating without a doubt that the intention is to cause minimal damage. Now, after hearing Netanyahu promise revenge, and the defense minister saying that he is dealing with human animals, the bombings of civilians seem intentional, with a desire to kill innocent people as revenge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 2, 2023 I would say that Israel is killing civilians as a strategy, a warning, to demonstrate to its potential enemies that in the event of war Israel will not be merciful, and taking into account its arsenal, that says a lot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 2, 2023 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said: I would say that Israel is killing civilians as a strategy, a warning, to demonstrate to its potential enemies that in the event of war Israel will not be merciful, and taking into account its arsenal, that says a lot. Because you dont know Israel and its ok. no anger on you. You are not suppose to know. I live here 36 years (from birth), I know the society, mentality, conversations, thinking patterns, values and know that your claim is pretty unlikely. Edited November 2, 2023 by Nivsch 🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 2, 2023 (edited) President Biden and a growing number of Democrats have now called for a humanitarian pause. I hope Israel eventually agrees to that. Edited November 2, 2023 by Hardkill Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 2, 2023 Just thought I'd share this here. What you know leaves what you don't know and what you don't know is all there is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 2, 2023 9 minutes ago, Hardkill said: President Biden and a growing number of Democrats have now called for a humanitarian pause. I hope Israel eventually agrees to that. Wonder why they can just call for ceasefire and instead call for just a pause. Tomorrow Hezbollah will be making a statement - could be a big day and change the trajectory of what's to come. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 2, 2023 16 minutes ago, Hardkill said: President Biden and a growing number of Democrats have now called for a humanitarian pause. I hope Israel eventually agrees to that. I hope our 240 hostages will be free. 🏔 Spiral dynamics can be limited, or it can be unlimited if one's development is constantly reflected in its interpretation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 2, 2023 52 minutes ago, Nivsch said: Because you dont know Israel and its ok. no anger on you. You are not suppose to know. I live here 36 years (from birth), I know the society, mentality, conversations, thinking patterns, values and know that your claim is pretty unlikely. only conclusions looking at the facts, perhaps not accurate. When a refugee camp is bombed, it is a decision that is made knowing what one is doing, the same as when snipers killed children in the 2018 protests. The only conclusion for me is that they are trying to communicate that in the event of a war escalation, the consequences will be total destruction, in order to force a peaceful attitude on the adversaries, out of fear. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 2, 2023 7 hours ago, PurpleTree said: Do you think israel has the right to exist? Because your posts say otherwise Yes, it should definitely exist. Just not on stolen land Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 2, 2023 8 hours ago, Lila9 said: No, how my mind works? Basically by constantly deceiving you using the oldest tricks in the book and you not aware enough to catch it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 2, 2023 10 hours ago, Lila9 said: Of course, every crime against Jews is justified. Let's eliminate them and kill all of them because they dared to build a country to save themselves from Nazis. Antisemitism is on raise. It never really disappeared. I am not saying that every single crime against Jews is justified. I was using sarcasm about your surprise. You are somehow surprised that a robber got shot while he's robbing the bank so I was making fun of you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 2, 2023 11 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said: I am not saying that every single crime against Jews is justified. I was using sarcasm about your surprise. You are somehow surprised that a robber got shot while he's robbing the bank so I was making fun of you It's easy to reduce the entire conflict into this easy to understand narrative for you. The truth is much more complex and nuanced. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 2, 2023 42 minutes ago, zazen said: Wonder why they can just call for ceasefire and instead call for just a pause. Tomorrow Hezbollah will be making a statement - could be a big day and change the trajectory of what's to come. Because a ceasefire leaves things exactly where they started. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 2, 2023 4 hours ago, hundreth said: Do you really believe this is viable? Neither side wants this. If a conflict lasted almost a century and still no solution has been reached, plus triggering a WW3, the wisest thing to do might be to allow a non biased external intervention to enforce the most fair solution for both sides. Maybe disarm both sides and ban all gun use. It will take a very long time, but with reparations and time the hate between two sides has a chance to subside. I think it's very expected that a lot in both sides would say they don't want this solution, but both sides are blinded by trauma and hate, not the best mindset to make decisions for future generations. As for the democracy part and elections, maybe it would be best to prevent the participation of any religious or extremist parties, so the candidate pool would only include secular, moderate and balanced individuals. I think the only reason it's a difficult and almost impossible solution is because Israel and the western powers don't want this. Israeli gov wants to remain a Jewish majority, protect their ethno-nationalist settler project and induce a democracy that only fits their agenda. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 2, 2023 7 minutes ago, lina said: Maybe disarm both sides and ban all gun use. It will take a very long time, but with reparations and time the hate between two sides has a chance to subside. Thats a very silly solution, you think you can disarm, Iran and Hezbollah and even Iraq? Because then those countries will complain why does Europe gets to keep weapons. When swords will be turned into plows will be after Messaih coming, before that will be wishful thinking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 2, 2023 20 minutes ago, hundreth said: It's easy to reduce the entire conflict into this easy to understand narrative for you. The truth is much more complex and nuanced. The truth? The truth about what? It seems we are talking about different things. The truth about Israel is it is a state based on an invasion of other peoples land. You can say many more things but this truth is at the foundation of all those things you would say Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 2, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Twentyfirst said: Basically by constantly deceiving you using the oldest tricks in the book and you not aware enough to catch it What are the oldest tricks in the book? Why so miser with words? Explain yourself. 1 hour ago, Twentyfirst said: I am not saying that every single crime against Jews is justified. I was using sarcasm about your surprise. You are somehow surprised that a robber got shot while he's robbing the bank so I was making fun of you I'm surprised that someone is justifyng burning people, beheading babies, killing women, raping them, parading dead women in Gaza while the crowed is spitting on them only because they happen to be Jews living in Israel. Seems odd for the 21th century. I don't believe that this barbaric behavior can be ever justified. Do you have radical love for terrorists like Hamas but not for innocent people who happen to live in Israel? And you preach about radical love and mind games? Have you ever bothered taking a look in your mind before you judge the minds of others? Edited November 2, 2023 by Lila9 Perhaps you would be better off finding some way to embrace your new nature, instead of fighting it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 2, 2023 @Lila9 There is no point of arguing, they keep stuck on the same thing that we Jews have no right to exist. Just move on. You will not convince them no matter what arguments you will make, it will be only a waste of your time. In the meantime, I am thanking God for giving us advanced technology so we can go and finish the job once and for all. And to all haters, you can argue and speak and debate and cry and scream as much as you want, I hope you do realize that we are not taking your opinion, i am sure you are smarter than that. But its ok, this topic grows to over 3k posts and you can expand to 6k and even 9k and so on and so forth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted November 2, 2023 8 minutes ago, Gennadiy1981 said: @Lila9 In the meantime, I am thanking God for giving us advanced technology so we can go and finish the job once and for all. And to all haters, you can argue and speak and debate and cry and scream as much as you want, I hope you do realize that we are not taking your opinion, i am sure you are smarter than that. But its ok, this topic grows to over 3k posts and you can expand to 6k and even 9k and so on and so forth. "God loves us because WHY ELSE WOULD HE HAVE GIVEN US NUKES!!!!!" After the WW3 is over historians are gonna marvel at your posts hahahaha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
