Posted October 17, 2023 @Karmadhi Just now, Karmadhi said: This is my whole point... but @Scholartends to ignore it and just call us "kids". But at least we're pushing back on scholars right? Too theoretical and little pragmatism. Let's keep pushing back and hit the 100 page mark on this thread! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 17, 2023 @Husseinisdoingfine Just now, Husseinisdoingfine said: @Leo Gura PLEASE make a part two about to the war and conflict episode, and tie it in with these current events. Actually not a good idea, given how many are so triggered. Some YouTube Channels are even taken down or canceled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) https://x.com/JordanSchachtel/status/1714350115312255019?s=20 Edited October 17, 2023 by hundreth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 17, 2023 The bias here is amazing. Hamas basically slaughtered over 1000 people, and they continue to fire rockets non-stop at Israel, and people are like "But why is Israel bombing Gaza?!". It's hilarious. Of course, nobody is blaming Hamas for firing rockets from civilian areas, or storing ammunication and weaponry in hospitals, which just blew up in people's faces. No, it's all the evil Israel committing a genocide. See, this is what it would look like if I was playing the blaming game. Now, ask yourself how much of an emotional response you got just from reading what I wrote, and whether or not it is conducive to truth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Scholar said: The bias here is amazing. Hamas basically slaughtered over 1000 people, and they continue to fire rockets non-stop at Israel, and people are like "But why is Israel bombing Gaza?!". It's hilarious. Of course, nobody is blaming Hamas for firing rockets from civilian areas, or storing ammunication and weaponry in hospitals, which just blew up in people's faces. No, it's all the evil Israel committing a genocide. See, this is what it would look like if I was playing the blaming game. Now, ask yourself how much of an emotional response you got just from reading what I wrote, and whether or not it is conducive to truth. I like the example of slave revolts. Some slave revolts, especially the ones that happened in Haiti, were absolutely brutal. Slaves would storm the manors of slave owners and slaughter entire families. This does not change the fact that the slaves are justified in their anger and the slave owners were wrong in holding them as slaves in the first place. https://www.reddit.com/r/TikTokCringe/comments/179ve10/not_a_shock_at_all/ Edited October 17, 2023 by Husseinisdoingfine أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأشهد أن ليو رسول الله Translation: I bear witness that there is no God but Allah, and Leo [Gura] is the messenger of Allah. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 17, 2023 ^^funny how everybody always thinks they have the truth, no? doesn‘t it make you suspicious? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) @Scholar 9 minutes ago, Scholar said: The bias here is amazing. Hamas basically slaughtered over 1000 people, and they continue to fire rockets non-stop at Israel, and people are like "But why is Israel bombing Gaza?!". It's hilarious. Of course, nobody is blaming Hamas for firing rockets from civilian areas, or storing ammunication and weaponry in hospitals, which just blew up in people's faces. No, it's all the evil Israel committing a genocide. See, this is what it would look like if I was playing the blaming game. Now, ask yourself how much of an emotional response you got just from reading what I wrote, and whether or not it is conducive to truth. Nobody is arguing in favor for HAMAs, stop red herring us there! We're arguing that Israel should be the bigger man, and STOP TAKING MORE LAND for Palestinians. Like stop taking land. Just stop. Israel has a land hoarding problem, it needs help, do you see? Edited October 17, 2023 by Danioover9000 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Scholar said: Hamas basically slaughtered over 1000 people, Sorry to say but Israel had it coming. If you poke a Hornet s nest enough, it will sting you back. I am not saying the people that died deserved to die, they were innocent civilians, but it is their government actions over the span of decades that broke the camel back and led to the tragedy. It is not an unprovoked attack. 12 minutes ago, Scholar said: nobody is blaming Hamas for firing rockets from civilian areas Ukraine also does the same yet it gets love and support. Russia claims it bombed Ukranian civilian areas for the very same reason. Also nobody here supports Hamas, we just understand why they do what they do. If possible everyone here would love Hamas to be wiped out but when it takes 10.000 innocent palestinian civilian lives to do so then of course we will revolt. Especially when many of them can be avoided if Israel is willing to. Edited October 17, 2023 by Karmadhi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said: ^^funny how everybody always thinks they have the truth, no? doesn‘t it make you suspicious? If you're referring to me posting increasingly convincing evidence of what actually happened, then yes I am skeptical. I was skeptical to rush to moral condemnation without the story being investigated. It is seeming more and more clear by the minute that this was the result of Hamas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 17, 2023 Why is dropping a bomb considered a solution to anything? My car doesn’t work. But I have a solution. I’m going to drop a bomb on it. That will make it work. It perpetuates the cycle of violence and produces more recruits for Hamas. There is the illusion of “wiping them out”, when at that very moment they are being born. It doesn’t work for anyone in that region, but it is good for the military industrial complex, which is why Republican congressman support it. There is also the immediate issue of escalation. How to stop this from turning into a regional war, which eventually draws in the US and Russia. America is already sending 2000 soldiers. This is how the US got sucked into the Vietnam war. This doesn’t just involve the Middle East. It’s about the safety of everyone here. Vincit omnia Veritas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, hundreth said: If you're referring to me posting increasingly convincing evidence of what actually happened, then yes I am skeptical. I was skeptical to rush to moral condemnation without the story being investigated. It is seeming more and more clear by the minute that this was the result of Hamas. No i was actually talking about good ol‘ papa who claimed to have some sort of truth and others don’t. but it goes for everything. With the hospital attack, al djazeera made like 5 videos about it already. Which i wonder if they‘ll backstep if they get info that it was actually hamas. but generally humans claim to be the victim and have the truth. Me too sometimes, but it gets comical if you think about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 17, 2023 An amazingly rational take on which side to pick in the Isreal/Hammas war by David Pakman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 17, 2023 They bombed a hospital. Over 500 deads. Hard to do something more evil. Injured civilians, doctors, nurses, and people looking for shelter because they thought that a hospital could be a safe place from bombs. So isn't this terrorism? What's the term for this? Now what is the international community going to say? It's crazy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) ****GRAPHIC****** ****GRAPHIC****** Edited October 17, 2023 by Socrates Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) Guys, just be patient and wait for news to get verified before you start making accussations. It's unclear yet who caused this bombing. Also, consider, when you jump to accussations and all this moralizing you are contributing to the kind of attitudes that result in endless conflict. If people on this forum cannot stay objective and sensible, how can you ever expect either the Israelis or Arabs in the Middle East to do so? They have a lot more at stake than you. And yet we expect them to be sensible, moderate, and tolerant. Take responsibility for the conflict you create. Edited October 17, 2023 by Leo Gura You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, itsadistraction said: An amazingly rational take on which side to pick in the Isreal/Hammas war by David Pakman This conflict truly revealed who in the media landscape has not lost their minds to the dynamics of social media. It feel like we are reaching a tipping point in global interconnectivity. It's just so incredibly infectious, and it's a really, really toxic and destructive mindset. I genuinely feel like this is a problem that might be more challenging and dangerous than climate change. It's like we are on the precipice of some sort of collective psychosis. Edited October 17, 2023 by Scholar Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, Nabd said: It's ok because in a month or two most media won't be covering this anymore so everyone will feel better. Looking forward to feeling better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 17, 2023 Biden will be going to Israel and then Egypt tomorrow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Hardkill said: Biden will be going to Israel and then Egypt tomorrow. It was planned to meet in jordan with egyptian, jordanian and palestinian president. But it’s called off because of the hospital attack https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/jordan-cancels-summit-with-biden-egyptian-leader-amman-2023-10-17/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, PurpleTree said: this was a nice talk This is an amazing to see contrasting it with the kind of work that we do here at actualized. I was able to see both perspective and listen to them while trying to keep my biasses. I see a lack of and the need to dialectic thinking and the lack of sincerity form Bassem (although of course I wouldn’t put too much pressure on Bassem given the situation he’s and his family are in) acting the touchy feely postmodern view of deconstruction east and west arabs and jews Natzis and jews, while throwing cynicism here and there, What torments him is the Irony of it all and the his perceived vanity of using/being sincerity/sincere in conversation . On the other said Jeremy “boring”? I think his last name, is taking the fundamentalist view being rational and not willing to give into perceived untrustworthy feelings. interesting change of roles, traditionally Arabs have been the fundamentalist and the west postmodern. Very interesting to see and also would’ve never been able to not take sides without the work that we do. although I have a feeling that Israel is not being sane unleashing this hell on people of gaza, this is crime against humanity what’s happening now in Gaza, against all of us. honestly I didn’t see it this way with Ukraine and Russian. Yet I believe what we are seeing now is different, it a barbaric act and it’s being backed up by the powerful. Edited October 17, 2023 by Happy Lizard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
