Passion of 10

[something_else]

3 hours ago, Roy said:

You're obviously an intelligent person so I'm begging for some insight into this, with you giving your direct perspective and experience as a woman. However I do warn you the conversation will end instantly if I get an elementary vague response that, "wOmEn JuST lIKe tO dReSS uP anD wEAr MaKe UP bEcAuSe iT MaKEs uS fEeL gOoD!"

I've heard that same daft response a hundred times asking this, it's a completely inadequate explanation and I'd rather eat an entire bottle of aspirin and run 10 kilometers through glass then hear it again.

 

 

 

Yea I've gotta admit this frustrates me as well when I hear it 

Yea, it makes you feel good, it makes you feel good because you know you look better to other people. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that at all, but for some reason there seems to be this drive to say that making yourself look good isn't about other people.

If it made you feel good independent of others you'd wear fancy clothes and makeup everyday at home even when you're not leaving the house.

 

Edited March 3, 2023 by something_else

[integral]

Going to the gym and seeing all the women basically naked with skin tight cloths is exhausting for me, I don't want my primitive mental systems hit over and over again, its to the point that I consider it harassment. lmao

I honestly dont want to see it. It would be the equivalent if every guy had his dick hanging out. 

Edited March 3, 2023 by integral

[Devin]

40 minutes ago, integral said:

Going to the gym and seeing all the women basically naked with skin tight cloths is exhausting for me, I don't want my primitive mental systems hit over and over again, its to the point that I consider it harassment. lmao

I honestly dont want to see it. It would be the equivalent if every guy had his dick hanging out. 

           Doesn't bother me, I think you get used to it. Athenian women trained nude just like the men, and barely wore anything normally. You're just not used to it.

Edited March 3, 2023 by Devin

[integral]

19 minutes ago, Devin said:

Doesn't bother me, I think you get used to it. Athenian women trained nude just like the men, and barely wore anything normally. You're just not used to it.

On this topic lol
Radical Beauty: Inside a Naked Yoga Class, Baring Is Caring *warning there is nudity but its youtube friendly*

Edited March 3, 2023 by integral

[Devin]

3 minutes ago, integral said:

On this topic lol
https://youtu.be/qcNT_Ze4mck

LOL, that would get you over it REAL quick.

[integral]

5 minutes ago, Devin said:

LOL, that would get you over it REAL quick.

I would need to be exposed to it 24/7 and it would become dull. Any intermissions and it will start the engine again i think.

Edited March 3, 2023 by integral

[Devin]

1 minute ago, integral said:

I would need to be exposed to it 24/7 and it would become dull. Any intermissions and it will start the engine again i think.

Yeah I mean when I was younger they didn't even need tight clothes and I would be like that though, have a lot of sex with one woman regularly and I really don't have a problem even with the extremes, I've never done naked yoga but I'd be fine doing even that.

[something_else]

29 minutes ago, Myioko said:

 

Internally driven: 

- Self expression 

- The desire to feel pretty/beautiful/sexy/the list goes on

 

 

 

The thing is, these aren't really internally driven at their core. Self expression is about expressing yourself to others. The desire to feel beautiful is about how others see you.

Making yourself look good for others isn't something to be ashamed of. It's perfectly natural. You don't need to come up with reasons why you're 'doing it for you' and 'not doing it for others'

Guys who are jacked will admit that easily. But women seem to be hung up on it sometimes. Possibly because of the constant objectification, I suppose. If you are constantly objectified for looks, I can see where the drive to say "I'm not doing this for you, I'm doing this for me" to others would come from. But it doesn't make it ultimately true.

If you lived on a planet all by yourself, a woman would never do makeup again, and a man would not be jacked. Neither would wear stylish clothes.

Edited March 3, 2023 by something_else

[Something Funny]

@Judy2, @Lila9 if this makes you feel any better, those types of conversations are kind of silly in my opinion, because there is no universal standard for what a "10" is and perception of beauty is different for different people.

It has become really obvious to me recently because I started doing cold approaching with a few other guys and have noticed that our tastes are quite different.

Just yesterday one of them was showing a picture of a girl to me, saying how frustrated he is that she flaked on him because she is one of the hottest women he has ever seen. While I was thinking to myself "ehh, she looks fine, I guess". 

Similarly, he would often not even look at girls who I found really cute and attractive, etc.

[Roy]

8 hours ago, Myioko said:

I think that it's important to be supportive of others desires and authentic expressions, and so I hope that you don't overlook the desire of expression in women and are supportive of people's use of fashion and makeup.

I am quite pro-freedom and autonomy. I will vote politically and fight for peoples right to be able to express themselves and change themselves however they see fit to live their lives. I'll accept everybody at face value and give everyone basic respect and openness.

However at a matter of personal principle I am generally against;

- Make-up

- Plastic surgery

- Body augmentation

- Body building

- Drag/Cross dressing

- Transgender/sex transition surgery

- Religious coverings

While I won't physically or verbally go out of my way to convince anybody to stop what they are doing, I think a lot of people are making mistakes, are outright confused, and too influenced by culture and peers when they focus too heavily on their identity and the things they do to themselves. I feel people are playing with fire and are wasting a lot of their lives with the slippery slope of crafting their physical/mental image too much.

We already live in such a toxic materialism-centric world with so much pressure like you said. I think people ought to learn to accept themselves as they are more, and be more grounded internally that they aren't so obsessed with external semantics and identity.

With every girlfriend I've ever had personally I never ask or expect them to wear make-up. I'll love and accept them as they are and they don't need to change or augment themselves around me. The feeling of relief they share with me for having this approach is palpable.

My first girlfriend and I had a date once where she showed up and immediately started apologizing for not wearing make-up. She said, "I'm so sorry I didn't have time to put anything on I look ugly today." I replied, "Don't be so fucking silly." She then starting crying and hugged me. 

 

Edited March 4, 2023 by Roy

[Devin]

12 minutes ago, Roy said:

I am quite pro-freedom and autonomy. I will vote politically and fight for peoples right to be able to express themselves and change themselves however they see fit to live their lives. I'll accept everybody at face value and give everyone basic respect and openness.

However at a matter of personal principle I am generally against;

- Make-up

- Plastic surgery

- Body augmentation

- Body building

- Drag/Cross dressing

- Transgender/sex transition surgery

- Religious coverings

While I won't physically or verbally go out of my way to convince anybody to stop what they are doing, I think a lot of people are making mistakes, are outright confused, and too influenced by culture and peers when they focus too heavily on their identity and the things they do to themselves. I feel people are playing with fire and are wasting a lot of their lives with the slippery slope of crafting their physical/mental image too much.

We already live in such a toxic materialism-centric world with so much pressure like you said. I think people ought to learn to accept themselves as they are more, and be more grounded internally that they aren't so obsessed with external semantics and identity.

With every girlfriend I've ever had personally I never ask or expect them to wear make-up. I'll love and accept them as they are and they don't need to change or augment themselves around me. The feeling of relief they share with me for having this approach is palpable.

My first girlfriend and I had a date once where she showed up and immediately started apologizing for not wearing make-up. She said, "I'm so sorry I didn't have time to put anything on I look ugly today." I replied, "Don't be so fucking silly." She then starting crying and hugged me. 

 

     Beautiful.

[mr_engineer]

@Something Funny I guess everyone will agree that Scarlett Johannsen is a 10. 

[Devin]

4 minutes ago, mr_engineer said:

@Something Funny I guess everyone will agree that Scarlett Johannsen is a 10. 

No, she's like 5 foot. She's a 6 for me.

Edited March 4, 2023 by Devin

[mr_engineer]

@Devin You're the first guy I've ever heard saying that she's a 6. 

Who would be a 10 for you, then?! 

[Devin]

8 minutes ago, mr_engineer said:

@Devin You're the first guy I've ever heard saying that she's a 6. 

Who would be a 10 for you, then?! 

She's extremely pretty just too short.

I actually don't tend to find famous women extremely attractive, the highend makeup type stuff is a turnoff for me, the tens I notice are usually only in real life. I'm not really up on pop culture very well either but the miss universe women are usually up there.

[Roy]

27 minutes ago, mr_engineer said:

I guess everyone will agree that Scarlett Johannsen is a 10. 

You'd be surprised to hear I also find her like a 7/8ish. She is obviously pretty, but has kind of a quirky sharp look that's nice, but not my particular thing.

I find it interesting that on a lot of "consensus" top looking girls they end up averaging out at a high number but not typically a 9 or 10 like you'd expect.

Anytime I've looked up top rated porn stars, actresses, or women in culture the top end of them are all conventionally attractive, but don't drive me wild like an actual 9 or 10 would. The skin tone, face, make-up, and body features all kind of blend together like an AI generated collage where they tick all the boxes of what makes one physically attractive, but excel at none of them individually.

Also when I'm in a relationship and sexually/intimately/emotionally committed to a woman like I am at the moment, all other women in the world get a kind of gloss over them where I'm less attracted.

[Emerald]

19 hours ago, something_else said:

Yea I've gotta admit this frustrates me as well when I hear it 

Yea, it makes you feel good, it makes you feel good because you know you look better to other people. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that at all, but for some reason there seems to be this drive to say that making yourself look good isn't about other people.

If it made you feel good independent of others you'd wear fancy clothes and makeup everyday at home even when you're not leaving the house.

 

@Roy I’ve definitely gotten all dolled up just to feel pretty and not left the house. It’s like a little girl playing dress up.  

It’s fun to do, and it makes a lot of woman feel sexy and powerful.

It’s also a persona thing. Like, I feel like myself if I dress a certain way. But I feel a little less embodied if I just throw on sweatpants and don’t do my usual grooming ritual.

And it helps me feel more in touch with my Femininity.

It’s especially fun if I’m single and interested in a guy that I know I’m going to be interacting with that day.

Like “I hope Bill who works at the post office notices me today.” ?

[Ulax]

1 hour ago, Devin said:

No, she's like 5 foot. She's a 6 for me.

@Devin 6!? You living in the land of Colombian supermodels or something?

[Something Funny]

@mr_engineer no, but I am not going to engage in this dumb conversation.

[Roy]

4 hours ago, Myioko said:

These two things are conflicting, you want people to accept themselves...but you don't want people to show that physically and to keep it all inside?

It's not really as conflicting as you think. The best way I can summarize it is in the statement, "I believe people should have the full ability to make choices, even if they are mistakes."

It's not about what I want or don't want with any changes they make or don't make. I couldn't care less how people end up looking one way or the other, I honestly don't. I accept everyone at face value.

What I do want is for people to have more earned wisdom and be more individualistic. Currently I think most people are profoundly misguided and have no fucking idea what they are doing, or why.

Just my opinion.

Edited March 5, 2023 by Roy