Leo featured in suicide cult article

[Leo Gura]

11 minutes ago, herghly said:

You'd build the best god damn cult.

Too bad I have zero interest in that.

Or maybe I just should. I have all the bad rep of running a cult but none of the benefits. Feels kinda unfair. I should at least get some threesomes or something.

[Inliytened1]

16 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Ahahahahaha....

Apologies to Joseph if he did not write the article.

I have no idea who wrote it. I was just speculating.

Sorry Joseph ? 

 

[VeganAwake]

When suffering is really bad people hear what they want to hear; interpret how they want to interpret.

So much possiblity for misunderstanding!

[puporing]

1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Ahahahahaha....

Apologies to Joseph if he did not write the article.

I have no idea who wrote it. I was just speculating.

Sorry Joseph ? 

 

He/she honestly seems like the biggest fan... (whomever it was) in a weird roundabout way though. (I'm thinking about the wiki one not the original OP one).

Edited March 4, 2022 by puporing

[RMQualtrough]

2 hours ago, lostingenosmaze said:

 

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Omfg LOL.

[OBEler]

@RMQualtrough what does the baby face says?

[Inliytened1]

9 hours ago, puporing said:

He/she honestly seems like the biggest fan... (whomever it was) in a weird roundabout way though. (I'm thinking about the wiki one not the original OP one).

Yes it does.  It is obviously someone who follows his work closely.   And someone who feels cheated about not getting a hot witch girlfriend.

@Joseph Maynor btw - leo and i are not the same oerson (relatively speaking lol)  i have never used psychedelics and have had threesomes   but sorry again good luck in your spiritual work

 

[Gesundheit2]

6 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

threesomes  

Psychedelic or not, God seems to love plugging.

[Inliytened1]

1 hour ago, Gesundheit2 said:

Psychedelic or not, God seems to love plugging.

God Loves it all

[Hardkill]

On 3/3/2022 at 7:50 PM, Leo Gura said:

Too bad I have zero interest in that.

Or maybe I just should. I have all the bad rep of running a cult but none of the benefits. Feels kinda unfair. I should at least get some threesomes or something.

I think having a cult puts you at risk of being in prison.

[OBEler]

@Hardkill you dont know sarcasm? 

 

[mandyjw]

There was a teacher here who really encouraged psychotherapy for people on the path. He was belittled for it, (that's not how you awaken, etc) and then eventually asked to leave the forum. This was before the suicides.

I think there have been a lot of red flags along the way and a fundamental complete misunderstanding of what mental illness IS in this community. When articles demonize someone for misunderstanding, they just usually cause people to buckle down that THEY KNOW the right way. Unfortunately the tone here perpetuates a lot of shame around psychotherapy, mental illness, expression, and healing in general which is not separate from awakening at all. 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 5, 2022 by mandyjw

[Leo Gura]

52 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

There was a teacher here who really encouraged psychotherapy for people on the path. He was belittled for it, (that's not how you awaken, etc) and then eventually asked to leave the forum. This was before the suicides.

I think there have been a lot of red flags along the way and a fundamental complete misunderstanding of what mental illness IS in this community. When articles demonize someone for misunderstanding, they just usually cause people to buckle down that THEY KNOW the right way. Unfortunately the tone here perpetuates a lot of shame around psychotherapy, mental illness, expression, and healing in general which is not separate from awakening at all.

He was not banned for advocating therapy. I encourage therapy to anyone who can afford it.

He was banned for denying that God and Love exist and for teaching about awakening when he was clearly not God-realized. He was teaching things which were false.

He was also arguing that therapy is more effective than psychedelics, which is also false. Psychedelics are clinically proven to be more effective than talk therapy for many conditions. Talk-therapy is not very effective for stuff life depression.

[mandyjw]

@Leo Gura I didn't say that you banned him for advocating therapy, I said you belittled him for it. 

Yes affordability is a hurtle for many. However, it seems we are going further in the direction of elitism here, not towards solving that major issue in our society. 

God and love do not "exist",  

"exist (v.) c. 1600, from French exister (17c.), from Latin existere/exsistere "to step out, stand forth, emerge, appear; exist, be" (see existence). "

in that they stand out from the fabric of reality as separate entities that could nor could not be realized. Language requires you either assert or deny, some teachings assert, some deny. I'm not sure why this is made into such a "thing". 

[Leo Gura]

31 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

@Leo Gura I didn't say that you banned him for advocating therapy, I said you belittled him for it. 

I belittled him for it on two specific points:

1) He suggested it is effective for awakening. No one is going to awaken from talk-therapy.

2) He claimed it is more effective than psychedelics for healing and introspection. This is contradicted by science and anecdotal experience.

Other than that I got no issue with people doing talk-therapy. In fact, if you struggle with mental stability then I recommend talk-therapy to work out your inner demons and such.

I am not opposed to doing talk therapy myself. I might do so in the future. It's helpful to talk stuff out.

But also, therapy is no magic pill.  People take lots of therapy and still end up killing themselves. Yet there is a gross double-standard here. If someone listens to Actualized.org and kills himself, it's Actualized.org's fault. Yet when thousands of people every year take therapy and kill themselves, therapy as a whole is never blamed. In fact, people are encouraged to take MORE therapy!

Could you imagine if someone watching my videos killed himself and my response was: Watch more of my videos! Yet this is exactly what therapists do.

Any reasonable person understands that it would be absurd to blame the entire field of therapy or a single therapist for the death of an already mentally dysfunctional person -- because therapy is socially acceptable and non-threatening to the ego-mind. Yet in the case of Actualized.org people look for any excuse to blame the teachings because they don't like the teachings. That's what this is really about.

Someone like Adeptus simply doesn't like the teachings, therefore his mind will find whatever excuse to demonize the teachings. The fundamental dishonesty of many Actualized.org critics is that they simply don't like teachings yet they must engage in mental gymnastics and personal attacks to rationalize it in their minds, rather than just being honest and admitting the truth: They just don't like the teachings.

If you don't like my teachings, no problem. Just be honest about it. Don't make up stories. You don't need to call me a pedophile cult leader. Just say, "I don't like your teachings." Okay, good. And maybe I don't like your face, so what?

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God and love do not "exist",  

"exist (v.) c. 1600, from French exister (17c.), from Latin existere/exsistere "to step out, stand forth, emerge, appear; exist, be" (see existence). "

in that they stand out from the fabric of reality as separate entities that could nor could not be realized. Language requires you either assert or deny, some teachings assert, some deny. I'm not sure why this is made into such a "thing". 

Don't get cute with me.

God/Love are existence itself.

WinterKnight was not God-realized. And yet he was here acting like a guru. For that he was banned.

[mandyjw]

30 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

 

I am not opposed to doing talk therapy myself. I might do so in the future. It's helpful to talk stuff out.

? Great.  Maybe a video or trip report would encourage others here who would benefit to see the worth of talking to someone too. 

 

30 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

 

Don't get cute with me.

Cute? Why the belittling? "Don't play games, don't be cute, you aren't God realized, etc." I just want to have an honest conversation.

Edited March 5, 2022 by mandyjw

[Leo Gura]

15 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

? Great.  Maybe a video or trip report would encourage others here who would benefit to see the worth of talking to someone too. 

Well, I started off a life coach. I know the value of talking to others about one's problems. Life coaching can be helpful. The problem is it tends to be too expensive to do on a regular basis.

You could pay $200/hr for coaching/therapy or you could buy 2 grams of 5-MeO-DMT, enough for 100 trips.

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Cute? Why the belittling? "Don't play games, don't be cute, you aren't God realized, etc." I just want to have an honest conversation.

You were using verbal games to sow doubt and confusion as to the existence of God/Love.

You are a naughty girl. Tsk, tsk!

God/Love exists. Absolutely. Here you are.

[mandyjw]

@Leo Gura It doesn’t have to be expensive. The whole reason it IS expensive is because society as a whole undervalues it and there is shame around it. 

34 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You were using verbal games to sow doubt and confusion as to the existence of God/Love.

You are a naughty girl. Tsk, tsk!

God/Love exists. Absolutely. Here you are.

I'm naught a girl. 

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, mandyjw said:

@Leo Gura It doesn’t have to be expensive. The whole reason it IS expensive is because society as a whole undervalues it and there is shame around it.

That's not why it is expensive.

It's expensive because it requires lots of education and licensing to practice and working with people one on one is time consuming, inefficient, and stressful.

If therapy became more popular it would become even more expensive as law of supply and demand dictates.

[Thought Art]

Why not… use all the tools at your disposal in an intelligent way as some tools address aspects of your consciousness, psyche and being that others don’t . 
 

If you don’t use a tool at the right time it can be poison. However, if you use the right tool at the right time it can be medicine. Also, in the right way or wrong way will have different results.
 

Tools likely need to be used in conjunction with other tools depending on desired results of your work, and your own unique needs. Speaking to a therapist and having some cognitive behavioural work is great for example. It addresses areas a psychedelic won’t. But a psychedelic will hit notes and reshape your mind and heart in a way talk therapy won’t. Also, a lot of tension and trauma is heal in the body so there are many physical treatments one can use. As well as other basic systems for living upgrades that can improve quality of life.

It appears to me you want to develop a balanced and intelligent approach to awakening, health, and living. 
 

All for awakening, health, longevity and well being overall. 

Edited March 5, 2022 by Thought Art