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Sadhguru Radical Claims

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@Chi_ interesting, thank you for sharing this! 

Did you learn any techniques from him so that you can induce Samadhi state ( any type of Samadhi) at will? Or can you control your energy? Having practised Kriya Yoga myself for almost a year, i feel great progress in the amount of energy i can feel and move throughout my body and big transformations in general by doing simple pranayama practises and meditations everyone know about in the Kriya Yoga thread so I'm trying to figure out if one really needs a physical guru!

Yes gurus can manipulate your energy bring all kinds of higher conscious states, or maybe clear your energy pathways, but that's something you can and should do for yourself with enough practice really!  Psychedelics can also do so much job in clearing and opening energy centers too! Very good catalysts! 

But Sadhguru is against all these and completely rejects the idea of practicing Yoga techniques with help of books all by yourself why? Also against psychedelics!

 

 

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3 hours ago, m0hsen said:

@Chi_ interesting, thank you for sharing this! 

Did you learn any techniques from him so that you can induce Samadhi state ( any type of Samadhi) at will? Or can you control your energy? Having practised Kriya Yoga myself for almost a year, i feel great progress in the amount of energy i can feel and move throughout my body and big transformations in general by doing simple pranayama practises and meditations everyone know about in the Kriya Yoga thread so I'm trying to figure out if one really needs a physical guru!

Yes gurus can manipulate your energy bring all kinds of higher conscious states, or maybe clear your energy pathways, but that's something you can and should do for yourself with enough practice really!  Psychedelics can also do so much job in clearing and opening energy centers too! Very good catalysts! 

But Sadhguru is against all these and completely rejects the idea of practicing Yoga techniques with help of books all by yourself why? Also against psychedelics!

 

 

In the 8 day silence program, you learn a certain technique called "Samyama". Samyama literally means the combination of 3 things. Dharana (concentration), Dhyana (meditation) and Samadhi. So yes, if you master that technique, you can be in Samadhi at will.

As for controlling your energies, the technique he provides is called "Shakti Chalana Kriya" which is part of the Shoonya program. For me personally, I can see immediate effects from Shakti Chalana Kriya in terms of energy flow in the body,  an instant balance at the Psychological level and so many other subtle benefits.

I also started off with the Kriya Yoga book from Lahiri Mahasaya that Leo recommended but I personally don't do them anymore eventhough they definitely are quite potent. I just wanted to be on the safe side, although I feel like that particular book is quite safe for use.

Finally, yeah Psychedelics definitely isn't his cup of tea, but I think there have been plenty of threads about it on this forum :D He talks about it openly in closed groups. For example in his Mystics Musings book, he says that Psychedelics under the presence of a Guru can lead to quick progress. He just chooses his words carefully when talking to large audiences because as we all know so many people misuse them.

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I think Sadhguru is a fake. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs, and he has not supplied any. The way he conducts his financial affairs, it sounds like he will take sponsorship deals any day now. His videos, his eyes, the way he talks, I just can’t imagine that he might be the real deal. 
 

Enlightened people can be tricksters like George Gurdjieff, but even the trickster gurus are careful with the truth. 


“Nowhere is it writ that anthropoid apes should understand reality.” - Terence McKenna

 

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3 hours ago, Chi_ said:

In the 8 day silence program, you learn a certain technique called "Samyama". Samyama literally means the combination of 3 things. Dharana (concentration), Dhyana (meditation) and Samadhi. So yes, if you master that technique, you can be in Samadhi at will.

As for controlling your energies, the technique he provides is called "Shakti Chalana Kriya" which is part of the Shoonya program. For me personally, I can see immediate effects from Shakti Chalana Kriya in terms of energy flow in the body,  an instant balance at the Psychological level and so many other subtle benefits.

I also started off with the Kriya Yoga book from Lahiri Mahasaya that Leo recommended but I personally don't do them anymore eventhough they definitely are quite potent. I just wanted to be on the safe side, although I feel like that particular book is quite safe for use.

Finally, yeah Psychedelics definitely isn't his cup of tea, but I think there have been plenty of threads about it on this forum :D He talks about it openly in closed groups. For example in his Mystics Musings book, he says that Psychedelics under the presence of a Guru can lead to quick progress. He just chooses his words carefully when talking to large audiences because as we all know so many people misuse them.

I think that you're misunderstanding a lot of what Sadhguru is saying regarding psychedelics if you believe that by themselves they will lead to quick progress, he mentions in Mystics Musings that they can be used to grow quickly if they are used as a support with a Yogic practice and in the guided presence of a Guru, not otherwise. The very nature of psychedelics is that they stimulate the energy system in a gross manner and break the mind, allowing you to experience something beyond it but never grounding your sober experience into anything subtler than the mental body, without an appropriate practice to transform your energy. He very clearly mentions that they are used as a means to purge on all levels, but that they don't lead to attaining to any kind of consciousness without the use of a system which works with the necessary dimensions of energy. They are also a huge danger in that they cause damage to the energy system, and if you do manage to break things through substances, you limit yourself heavily to that process

Here are some excerpts from Mystic's Musings regarding psychedelic usage - 

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On the other hand, one who is well established in his awareness to a point that he can carry it into his sleep, for such a Sadhaka, these substances could be beneficial if used under proper guidance, but subject to various limitations. The path of yoga offers enough opportunities for us to get high without using any external aids like that. If you're willing. I'm the greatest intoxicant. I can activate such deep states of intoxicating awareness.

 

Kriya Yoga taught by Lahiri Mahasaya and similar forms practiced by Yogananda are a means towards realization, and Yogananda himself rejected the need for Hatha yoga because he held God-realization above the need for physical purification. In this video Sadhguru describes the difference between Hatha yoga and realization - 

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If is just a question of realization, it can be done in so many ways. If you want to be realized and you want to live powerfully, then Hatha becomes an important aspect.

Realization and the subtlety of higher dimensions by themselves do not purify other dimensions of creation, and as a basis for grounding your higher realizations into sober experience without mentally projecting them to be the "highest", Hatha yoga and more purificatory forms of Kriya yoga are very important. Otherwise, practices like Shakti Chalana Kriya which deals with the body's Pancha Vayus and purifies the Air element, or Surya Kriya which purifies your connection to the Sun and Moon, as a means to distance yourself from the genetic information of your Father and Mother (the original parentage and source of the body's physical manifestation is the Sun and Moon), would not be necessary. The path of Pranayama and Kriya yoga as it is taught by Lahiri Mahasaya is different and directed towards realization alone

Here is an excerpt from Mystic's Musings that describes the difference between a Saint, or realized Being, and a Guru - 

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That's the difference between a saint and a Guru. Saints somehow cross the border. They are wonderful people. They will bless you and their blessings are good to receive. A Guru is not somebody who is just a saint. A Guru is somebody who has the methods and technologies for everything. He's somebody who is good both ways. A Guru's ways will not be saintly at all. One moment he's this, the next that. He can be in so many ways. He is just playing a role because he has all the technologies in his hand. He's not always a good man; he can do anything, but a saint is always a good man, always gentle, always loving and always happy. A Guru is not like that. He will do what is needed. If needed, he can stand up and fight.

Life happens in many dimensions, and without purifying other dimensions of experience such as the five elements, or our relation to the solar system, you run the risk of exaggerating the psychological importance of realization from a gross and compulsive state in the same way that Leo does, and trick yourself into believing that it is applicable towards all of the world's and life's problems. Ayurveda, Sattvic eating, awareness of the five elements, there are many things that can help to soberly ground your realization, and Sadhguru talks about the importance of this across the board -

 

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20 minutes ago, Phrenic said:

can be used to grow quickly if they are used as a support with a Yogic practice and in the guided presence of a Guru, not otherwise

He always talks about the indispensable importance of a guru to awake, but he woke up without a guru. 

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On 1/31/2021 at 5:31 AM, undeather said:

 

A Siddhi caught on camera or just a great magic trick? 
There is actually a book written about this guy called "The magus of Java" - worth a read if you are into crazy stuff. I remain agnostic towards the claims put forward - its seem to me more like a descirption of some real life Dragonball Z story than anything "real". But who knows? The set of possible "unknown unknowns" is way too high to make any solid predictions.

Real or fake?
 

Real or fake?

If you are interested in these topics, read "Real Magic"  by Dean Radin - Especially the chapter called "Merlin-class magicians"
https://www.amazon.com/-/de/dp/B07BGCQDR2/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_de_DE=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&dchild=1&keywords=radin+magic&qid=1612087997&sr=8-1

Personally, I remain highly skeptical about such claims. A lot of people in those "spiritual communities" are full of shit and terrible at sensemaking. This harsh accusation of course includes a big part of this forum, but thats a topic for another day. 

Obviously altering your brainwaves is possible. Levitating, not so much.

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3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

He always talks about the indispensable importance of a guru to wake up, but he woke up without a guru. 

He was initiated into Surya Kriya and Yogasanas by a Yogi and had been practicing since 12 years of age, which led to his experience on the Chamundi hill, here is an excerpt from Mystic's Musings related to this - 

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I had been practicing yoga since I was twelve years of age. I was not the kind of person who would do something because of discipline. Somehow it just happened; I got up in the morning and yoga happened for me. Every day, all these years, it just happened to me. Wherever I was—I could be trekking in the mountains and yoga would happen.

 

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I'm gonna take the skeptical position.

If it's possible, why keep it mysterious an not simply 'levitate"?

If it's supernatural, why not show it off?

People who claim to have extrasensory perceptions weren't able to proove anything once.

But of course there's always a reason why it shouldn't be prooven. Lack of faith, lack of consciousness whatever. 

You can always explain it away, just do ONE seemingly impossible thing and there is no reason for doubt anymore.

I don't have any reason to believe in siddhis having an influence on other people. Show me something impossible if you are able to.

If you have something, please show me I am begging you.

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16 minutes ago, Phrenic said:

He was initiated into Surya Kriya and Yogasanas by a Yogi and had been practicing since 12 years of age, which led to his experience on the Chamundi hill, here is an excerpt from Mystic's Musings related to this - 

I heard a talk from him about that and he said that he was a normal businessman, married, without mystical concerns, and that sitting on a hill looking at the landscape he had an experience of unity. also shadguru means guru without training right?

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27 minutes ago, Phrenic said:

If you want to be realized, and you want to live powerfully, then Hatha becomes an important aspect.

But if you become a realized being like Ramana Maharshi, do you still retain certain egotistic preferences to live in a specific styles or conditions like  "powerfully" also after you kill your ego? It's just doesn't make sense.

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4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I heard a talk from him about that and he said that he was a normal businessman, married, without mystical concerns, and that sitting on a hill looking at the landscape he had an experience of unity. also shadguru means guru without training right?

I've heard that a lot too from him in vids.

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14 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I heard a talk from him about that and he said that he was a normal businessman, married, without mystical concerns, and that sitting on a hill looking at the landscape he had an experience of unity. also shadguru means guru without training right?

Sadhguru means an ignorant guru, in the sense that nothing has been acquired in the form of mental knowledge, and that all that he knows is his inner experience. It does not mean somebody that hasn't practiced Yoga, because Yoga is just seen as conscious rather than unconscious action

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But if you become a realized being like Ramana Maharshi, do you still retain certain egotistic preferences to live in a specific styles or condition like "powerfully" after you kill your ego? It's just doesn't make sense.

I'm not sure how it is an egotistic preference, we are connected to the solar system and the five elements whether we have a preference towards it or not, it is more of a matter of purifying those dimensions of experience because without doing so, our experience of life will be limited to realized dimensions, without having grounded our realizations more ordinarily in a gross manner. This is why various forms of the Divine Mother represent different phases and faces of the moon, and also why the energetic form of the Divine Mother is pure in the five elements, allowing us to purify and THEN transcend the elements rather than just transcend them to attain to higher dimensions

This was also something that Sadhguru said in relation to this, that "if you're a case you can transcend the elements, but if you want to live beautifully and go beyond them, purification is necessary". This excerpt sheds a bit of light on this too -

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It is layers and layers of madness. This is not just something you gathered in a few years, it's an accumulation of many lifetimes. Layers and layers of madness have been accumulated. It has to be worked out. There is no other way. Either you drop the whole thing and walk away or slowly you cleanse the bag.

Seeing Hindu practices and understandings of other dimensions of life as egotistical is a misunderstanding in the sense that we are intrinsically connected to these dimensions of reality. There is this explanation of Ramana Maharshi's progress which comes before the description of difference between a Saint and a Guru - 

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He was in the bliss body; simply blissful. The physical body, he was not bothered, mental body, he was not bothered, pranic body, he was not bothered. When Ramana sat for meditation, he just sat for fourteen years and his whole body was full of sores and insect bites. Animals came and bit him and he just sat because he had nothing to do with the body. If it heals, it heals. If it doesn't heal, it doesn't heal. He treats the mind and mental body the same way. If cancer comes, he doesn't care. He doesn't even feel he has cancer because he feels it is not in him. Only people on the path of kriya yoga are capable of attending to the body in a scientific way. Others do not pay attention to it. Usually, they are incapable of too much activity. A Ramana or a Ramakrishna would not be able to trek with me to the Himalayas, let alone at my pace. Physically they are very incapable, because they were not bothered about taking care of their bodies. Their growth did not involve building a certain body. So they never attended to those things. They attained through their own intelligence and their own intensity, not following any system. Only people on the path of kriya, the Realized yogis, are physically very fit and their bodies will be properly kept. For them there is no problem. They cross the border and they come back. They smuggle things across (laughs). For them, it's a daily affair. That's the difference between a saint and a Guru.

 

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Maybe I'm wrong and I haven't gotten his message, but it seems to me that he says: you will only awake if you follow the path that I set for you. I am someone special, different, unique. You are not like me , but if you follow me, you will get something, give me your willing, is dangerous for you .you are a child who must be guided

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On 1/29/2021 at 9:42 AM, RedLine said:

Ramana Maharshi stil had an ego; otherwise he wouldn´t be functional; he wouldn´t have preferences (to get out of bed or lunch for example) so he would died. Enlighment = transcend, not destroy ego.

I think that's unlikely.  The guy literally could meditate through to death if he chose to with no issue.  If what is said about him is true he had no attachment to life what so ever.

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Sadguru's claims are outrageous and I'm skeptical of those claims like many others.

However, I assure you magic is very real in some forms at least.  I wouldn't have ever believed that until it happened to me.  I'd keep an open mind.  Many are understandably skeptical of things they've never experienced.  Regardless, you'd be shocked at what's possible, trust me on that.

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1 hour ago, Phrenic said:

 

Life happens in many dimensions, and without purifying other dimensions of experience such as the five elements, or our relation to the solar system, you run the risk of exaggerating the psychological importance of realization from a gross and compulsive state in the same way that Leo does, and trick yourself into believing that it is applicable towards all of the world's and life's problems. Ayurveda, Sattvic eating, awareness of the five elements, there are many things that can help to soberly ground your realization, and Sadhguru talks about the importance of this across the board -

 

I really resonate with this.

 

1 hour ago, Phrenic said:

I think that you're misunderstanding a lot of what Sadhguru is saying regarding psychedelics if you believe that by themselves they will lead to quick progress, he mentions in Mystics Musings that they can be used to grow quickly if they are used as a support with a Yogic practice and in the guided presence of a Guru, not otherwise. 

 

Yeah, that is pretty much what I said too, I didn't say that Psychedelics don't have any cons to it at all. They definitely do.

 

 

1 hour ago, Phrenic said:

 

 

Kriya Yoga taught by Lahiri Mahasaya and similar forms practiced by Yogananda are a means towards realization, and Yogananda himself rejected the need for Hatha yoga because he held God-realization above the need for physical purification. In this video Sadhguru describes the difference between Hatha yoga and realization - 

Realization and the subtlety of higher dimensions by themselves do not purify other dimensions of creation, and as a basis for grounding your higher realizations into sober experience without mentally projecting them to be the "highest", Hatha yoga and more purificatory forms of Kriya yoga are very important. Otherwise, practices like Shakti Chalana Kriya which deals with the body's Pancha Vayus and purifies the Air element, or Surya Kriya which purifies your connection to the Sun and Moon, as a means to distance yourself from the genetic information of your Father and Mother (the original parentage and source of the body's physical manifestation is the Sun and Moon), would not be necessary. The path of Pranayama and Kriya yoga as it is taught by Lahiri Mahasaya is different and directed towards realization alone

Well said :)

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