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Trump Supporters Storming The Capitol! - MAGA Coup Mega-Thread

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1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I hope I am wrong. But better safe than left with our pants down like last time. The MAGA people are crazy enough to try to stage a full-blown coup or simply lash out in vengance and rage. Assassination attempts likely.

To be honest, it was to be expected. We've already discussed about this possibility during the election. Now that's the materialization of the risk.

I'm trying to see this whole mess through positive lenses, though. What we are witnessing is the GOP collapsing due to the mentality and demographic shift.

Trumpism was a symptom of it, and now the party will need to reorganize itself. But it's going to be hard to do so in a climate where they'll try to distance themselves from the capitol terrorists and the other sore MAGA losers. I think there is no way they'll remain unified when a fringe of the Reps are jumping the ship (elected and civilians).

 

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“If you are irritated by every rub, how will you be polished?” - Rumi.

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Trump to BML:

"when the rioting starts, the shooting starts

" Trump to the U.S.Capitol invaders:

"I love you, your all very special"

 

(I took it from a comment in youtube, Lol...)


Don’t you realize that all of you together are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God lives in you?
1 Corinthians 3:16

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The problem for radicalized Republicans now is that they are so wrong that it's too painful for their egos to admit it.

There needs to be an admission by Republicans that Republicans were deeply wrong about Trump. But that is too painful for them to do. So they double-down with denial and scapegoating the left. In their minds they think the left is the problem, but it's them that's the problem and they need to acknowledge that publicly. But that's the last thing they will ever do.


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The saddest part about this is that America is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries in the world. If such craziness happens there it says a lot about the world at large

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55 minutes ago, Sempiternity said:

I said it before, and I'll say it again, tens of thousands of crazy nutjobs with loaded assault rifles, standing toe to toe with tens of thousands of national guard with loaded assault rifles, who will be already on edge from what happened at the capitol. All it takes is one nutjob to fire one shot, and that powder keg is going to go boom, and lots and lots of people are going to die.

Will the national guard be armed?

It's quite the dilemma. On the one hand, I'd want to be prepared for an armed insurrection. Yet on the other hand, a militarized presence and overzealous initial response can escalate. De-escalation is also important and that starts now. Unfortunately, those that have the most power to de-escalate or not doing so. If Trump gave daily speeches saying that he exhausted all his legal options, strongly condemned any violence and that we need to allow for a peaceful transfer of power and move on - it would de-escalate by marginalizing fringe groups. The half-ass statements by Trump and his sycophants look disingenuous and forced. 

As well, Trump's visit to Alamo to highlight his border wall is a major escalation. GOP groups are already promoting MAGA protest events. If Trump has conceded (as he allegedly has), then why are GOP groups promoting protest events by consent of Trump? He should be discouraging such events. 

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@Leo Gura what's the very root cause of what's going on with the radicalized people? would you say it's ideology, dense ego, lack of purpose in life and low levels of consciousness?

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3 minutes ago, Hello from Russia said:

The saddest part about this is that America is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries in the world. If such craziness happens there it says a lot about the world at large

"US is a third world country with a Gucci belt."


How strange it is to be anything at all

 

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Once Trump is out of office, it will be easier to compel him to appease his base. The Biden administration could "negotiate" with Trump a deal where his collaboration soften to blow to what is to come for him.

But the MAGAs will live poorly the personal losses of power that come from the end of this presidency. They'll go from the "the very special ones" who owned the libs through being the state power in place back to what they perceive as oppression.

I feel sorry for them, though. Even if they are unhinged, idiotic and dangerous people, their suffering is real. And they are exploitated by those who brutalize them in the first place. It's really a pathetic situation. Those are real life zombies.


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3 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

Once Trump is out of office, it will be easier to compel him to appease his base. The Biden administration could "negotiate" with Trump a deal where his collaboration soften to blow to what is to come for him.

But the MAGAs will live poorly the personal losses of power that come from the end of this presidency. They'll go from the "the very special ones" who owned the libs through being the state power in place back to what they perceive as oppression.

I feel sorry for them, though. Even if they are unhinged, idiotic and dangerous people, their suffering is real. And they are exploitated by those who brutalize them in the first place. It's really a pathetic situation. Those are real life zombies.

I could also see a situation developing where the radicalism Trump helped to ferment becomes something he's unable to reign in, even if by some miracle he were so inclined. You saw this exact same dynamic happen with Fox News, who's to say it has to stop with Trump?  That's the problem with demagogues, the radicalization they ferment has a way of spilling out beyond the bounds of what people benefiting from it intended.

I don't see this sort of thing going away until we evolve our Society to the point that it's not creating so many embittered, alienated people, and come to grips with the democratization of media that provides fuel for the spread of dangerous ideologies.


The problem is one of opposition between subjective and objective points of view. 

So either the objective conception of the world is incomplete, or the subjective involves illusions that should be rejected.  - Thomas Nagel

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1 hour ago, Etherial Cat said:

Trumpism was a symptom of it, and now the party will need to reorganize itself. But it's going to be hard to do so in a climate where they'll try to distance themselves from the capitol terrorists and the other sore MAGA losers. I think there is no way they'll remain unified when a fringe of the Reps are jumping the ship (elected and civilians).

At this point, any violent acts from MAGA will have amplified bad optics. Especially since Trumper politicians are half-assing it. 

Trump is on the decline, yet Trumpism will be re-branded. Similar to how the "Tea Party" morphed into Trumpism, Trumpism will morph into something new. Hopefully that creature won't be as harmful. 

14 minutes ago, Etherial Cat said:

I feel sorry for them, though. Even if they are unhinged, idiotic and dangerous people, their suffering is real. And they are exploitated by those who brutalize them in the first place. It's really a pathetic situation. Those are real life zombies.

Yes, there suffering is real and they have been given scapegoats for the suffering (immigrants, minorities, socialists, welfare recipients), when most of their suffering can be traced to extreme wealth inequality. 

And their suffering is getting grifted by devilish opportunists - those wanting to exploit them for their own ambition and greed. "Stop the Steal" fundraising has raised 100s of millions of dollars - those struggling to pay their bills are donating their last dollars to those that manufactured lies and fear. They prey on vulnerable people. There are a lot of people terrified that Venezuela stole the election and will turn the U.S. into a horrific communist collapse. 

Ironically, to heal from this we would need to invest into social programs to help those that have been traumatized by Trumpism. As well as their children. There are 10s of millions of children exposed to toxic Trumpism everyday in their homes. That conditioning can't simply be let go of. They are going to carry that into adulthood, yielding repressed anger, fear, unhealthy relationships, maladjustment to life etc. that will need various types of therapy to heal. I hope that therapeutic methods will advance fast enough to treat it. 

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27 minutes ago, Forestluv said:

Will the national guard be armed?

"Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy tells The Associated Press that any changes will be determined by the intelligence gathered in the coming days about the evolving threats. But he said they are looking at allowing troops to carry their M-4 rifles or 9 mm Berettas, and he will know more in a day or two."

https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/dc/national-guard-troops-dc-inauguration-day/65-261e7f47-44cc-4387-8778-c1197faf363d

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The NYT is reporting:

Senator Mitch McConnell is said to believe that the impeachment effort will make it easier to purge President Trump from the party. And Representative Kevin McCarthy has asked other Republicans whether he should call on Mr. Trump to resign in the aftermath of the Capitol siege.

If this is true and McConnell publicly comes out against Trump to purge him from the party, there would be a wave of republican support and I'd predict a senate conviction. Those are still big IFs though. If there is another riot with violence - that would push McConnell. 

I'm also unsure about the technicalities of conviction and disqualification. Conviction requires a 2/3 senate majority and disqualification is a simple majority. There is easily a simple majority to disqualify, yet I read that the votes are sequential. First a president needs to be convicted by 2/3 vote and then they vote whether to disqualify by simple majority. If that is true, disqualification essentially requires a pre-ceding 2/3 majority. 

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It's looking increasingly likely that we could get a Senate conviction on Friday or Monday. Especially as Congressmembers continue to see the federal government's response amplify and ramp up. 

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10 minutes ago, Talinn said:

Especially as Congressmembers continue to see the federal government's response amplify and ramp up. 

The federal response still seems somewhat tepid to me. It's been six days and finally the FBI gives a press brief. Six days! And they didn't even send FBI leadership. They sent out an assistant director in charge of the Washington field office and an acting U.S. attorney. That seems like a tepid response to me.  

I find the leaked news about McConnell supporting impeachment to be much more influential. That would open floodgates to republican support. Yet it is still unconfirmed and McConnell would need to make a public statement. Yet it's encouraging that McConnell has denied the reports

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1 hour ago, mmKay said:

@Leo Gura what's the very root cause of what's going on with the radicalized people? would you say it's ideology, dense ego, lack of purpose in life and low levels of consciousness?

We are going through a stage Orange >> Green transition. But right-wingers don't understand this transition, they demonize Green and refuse to change their ways. Which necessitates that they create their own toxic alternative-reality bubble. The more they try to deny the validity of Green, the more delusional and ideological their worldview must get. And they must blame someone for all this other than themselves. So of course they project their delusion onto Green.

An entire media industry has been built over the last 5 years for the demonization and scapegoating of Green to cater to the insecurities and paranoia of the right. This industry is extremely profitable so it's not going away any time soon, yet it needs to be discredited and dismantled because it sows paranoia and delusion across tens of millions of people.


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21 minutes ago, Forestluv said:

That would open floodgates to republican support.

I don't see that happening. The Republicans are completely spineless and at least half of them have drunk the Kool-Aid. It's clear now that their responses will be as tepid as possible for them to get away with. They will do as little as humanly possible to keep their jobs.


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35 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

I could also see a situation developing where the radicalism Trump helped to ferment becomes something he's unable to reign in, even if by some miracle he were so inclined. You saw this exact same dynamic happen with Fox News, who's to say it has to stop with Trump?  That's the problem with demagogues, the radicalization they ferment has a way of spilling out beyond the bounds of what people benefiting from it intended.

I don't see this sort of thing going away until we evolve our Society to the point that it's not creating so many embittered, alienated people, and come to grips with the democratization of media that provides fuel for the spread of dangerous ideologies.

True. But losing their leader will surely lead to confusion. Especially if this is accompanied by shambles like authority arrests for a bunch of them and some more attacks.

37 minutes ago, Forestluv said:

Trump is on the decline, yet Trumpism will be re-branded. Similar to how the "Tea Party" morphed into Trumpism, Trumpism will morph into something new. Hopefully that creature won't be as harmful. 

Yes, there suffering is real and they have been given scapegoats for the suffering (immigrants, minorities, socialists, welfare recipients), when most of their suffering can be traced to extreme wealth inequality. 

And their suffering is getting grifted by devilish opportunists - those wanting to exploit them for their own ambition and greed. "Stop the Steal" fundraising has raised 100s of millions of dollars - those struggling to pay their bills are donating their last dollars to those that manufactured lies and fear. They prey on vulnerable people. There are a lot of people terrified that Venezuela stole the election and will turn the U.S. into a horrific communist collapse. 

Ironically, to heal from this we would need to invest into social programs to help those that have been traumatized by Trumpism. As well as their children. There are 10s of millions of children exposed to toxic Trumpism everyday in their homes. That conditioning can't simply be let go of. They are going to carry that into adulthood, yielding repressed anger, fear, unhealthy relationships, maladjustment to life etc. that will need various types of therapy to heal. I hope that therapeutic methods will advance fast enough to treat it. 

100% agree on each single points made.

Should we start a heal a MAGA hug a MAGA campaign? :P


“If you are irritated by every rub, how will you be polished?” - Rumi.

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2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

We are going through a stage Orange >> Green transition. But right-wingers don't understand this transition, they demonize Green and refuse to change their ways. Which necessitates that they create their own toxic alternative-reality bubble. The more they try to deny the validating of Green, the more delusional and ideological their worldview must get.

I see a lot of right wingers trying to equivocate violence within Blm protests to violence within MAGA protests. Do you think that average Orange is starting to see the differences between underlying motivation? Even though Blm has pockets of violence, the underlying cause is to overcome systemic racism and move toward equality (Green). In contrast, the underlying motivation of MAGA extremists is to overturn a fair election and move toward authoritarianism (Blue). Given the choice, average Orange seems to be transitioning toward Green.   

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1 hour ago, Forestluv said:

Will the national guard be armed?

They better be armed in full combat gear. MAGA will be armed with assault rifles and wearing body armor. 9MM pistols will not be enough. They all need rifles and SWAT teams standing by.


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