Oppositionless

Daniel Ingram: Psychedelics, Meditation and enlightenment

107 posts in this topic

4 hours ago, The0Self said:

Not quite, but for an arahat the piti flows smoothly in a circuit, isn't tumultuous, and doesn't cause one to cycle through the progress of insight. Rather than feeling weird stuff like euphoric explosions at the top of head, insomnia, mania, etc. In some cases I think bipolar may be a diagnosis that completely ignores all spiritual causes, such as piti/dark-night cycles. The newer field of transpersonal psychology may be addressing this kind of stuff, however.

Arahatship is really just an amazingly fun toy, it's not liberation.

If defining an arahant as one who has transcended suffering completely, there’s no one size fits all mold for how an arahant will behave, nor the experiences that arise within their phenomenological field. An arahant most definitely can cycle rapidly between emotions — sometimes even exhibiting behaviour/mind states that would be classified as mania or even severe depression. The arahant merely stays aloof no matter what’s occuring. 
 

I don’t know if I misinterpreted what you’re saying, just thought I’d give my two cents. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 11/7/2020 at 1:58 PM, electroBeam said:

just keep in mind there's no such actual thing as survival xD if you contemplate what survival is, you wont find an answer, perhaps because the concept of survival was actually a lie designed to wiggle your vibrational state, rather than explain some truth about what's happening. 

What do you mean brother? I got an answer from contemplating survival. 


Love life and your Health, INFJ Visionary

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, diamondpenguin said:

What do you mean brother? I got an answer from contemplating survival. 

Context dependent to him specifically, for you I wouldnt have answered that way.

Although keep in mind you could get a profound answer to what a unicorn is too... doesn't mean contemplating what a unicorn is, is worth your time, neither does it mean that answer to what a unicorn is, is as fruitful as other answers from contemplating different things could yield you.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Daniel has not tried 5-MeO (starts at 26:30)

https://thegoodtimeline.com/podcast/2020/4/20/046-daniel-ingram-ii-buddhist-pragmatism

He did very high dose ayahuasca and didn't like it ;) 

 


"Buddhism is for losers and those who will die one day."

                                                                                            -- Kenneth Folk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, Enlightenment said:

and didn't like it

Haha! :D

Classic noob mistake: diving in too deep too fast. That's like selecting a 30 day meditation retreat as a noob and then not liking it. Exploring psychedelics requires years of patience.


You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

doesn't sound like he had a breakthrough. even my worst trip on aya was incredibly profound and grew me a bunch even though it left me messed up for a long time after. 

Edited by Lyubov

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It's possible that psychedelics and meditation are simply 2 different axes of development. 2. Yeah development is inherently dualistic so what did you expect?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It seems like Daniel has some depth with meditation and Buddhism, yet is at a shallow level with psychedelics. Why give a noob such credence?

Imagine an Olympic gold medalist in the decathlon. He has a lot of experience and understanding about training methods - yet I wouldn't give him much credence on what he says about integral calculus. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Forestluv said:

It seems like Daniel has some depth with meditation and Buddhism, yet is at a shallow level with psychedelics. Why give a noob such credence?

Imagine an Olympic gold medalist in the decathlon. He has a lot of experience and understanding about training methods - yet I wouldn't give him much credence on what he says about integral calculus. 

Perfect analogy.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well, I think there is more overlap between meditation and psychedelics than decathlon and calculus. But psychedelics require a patient and methodical approach, just like meditation. You can't just jump into it once and understand.

It's good if we get more advanced meditators like Daniel to also go deep into psychedelics because right now these two fields lack integration. We need more mystics and nondual teachers and Buddhists doing serious psychedelics.


You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

@Leo Gura Except they’ll go to jail if they do.


"Not believing your own thoughts, you’re free from the primal desire: the thought that reality should be different than it is. You realise the wordless, the unthinkable. You understand that any mystery is only what you yourself have created. In fact, there’s no mystery. Everything is as clear as day. It’s simple, because there really isn’t anything. There’s only the story appearing now. And not even that.” — Byron Katie

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

@Leo Gura I am curious, you are conscious that you are god but you still have an ego. How can your ego not identify to some degree to being god, and therefore solidify itself. Like don't you ever have thoughts pop up like "I am god" "I am everything" "I understand the universe totally" "I have been infinitely conscious"... ?

Edited by knakoo

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 06/11/2020 at 2:01 PM, The0Self said:

Because arahatship is supposedly indestructible. It closes the loop of ego-death/ego-backlash cycles and kundalini/piti. It can’t get more closed than closed.

I am going through a kundalini awakening so I am very curious, what is piti ?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, knakoo said:

I am going through a kundalini awakening so I am very curious, what is piti ?

Going by the Buddhist framework: Piti is another name for kundalini energy. Caused by concentration and mindfulness, it is a feeling of pleasant exhilaration, and it is the proximate cause of bliss/sukkha/happiness. Kundalini awakening is another name for The Arising and Passing Away (caused by penetrating the object of meditation and separating it into its components, which are separated into their components, and so on down to pure impermanence-information-flux), the experience and layer of mind that is the home of the second Jhana.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 11/22/2020 at 2:47 PM, knakoo said:

@Leo Gura I am curious, you are conscious that you are god but you still have an ego. How can your ego not identify to some degree to being god, and therefore solidify itself. Like don't you ever have thoughts pop up like "I am god" "I am everything" "I understand the universe totally" "I have been infinitely conscious"... ?

Yes, ego does identify with those things to some degree. But it's not so much a problem unless you let it spin out of control.

Ego can understand that it is God. And in a sense that's correct. It is God. Just don't stop there. Keep going deeper. This is a long journey.

My ego knows it's God, but it doesn't become too narcissistic about it. You can think of it as an expanded ego. A trans-human ego.

This kind of thing only becomes a serious problem if the ego tries to monopolize God and tries to put itself above everyone else and stops doing any further consciousness work.

Continued spiritual practice is what keeps the ego from solidifying itself too much. The more I trip the more humble it makes me. But of course I can still get carried away if I'm not vigilant -- self-deception is always lurking in the shadows, ready to pounce.


You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
25 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Ego can understand that it is God. And in a sense that's correct. It is God.

Taken from  "Tantra Illuminated":

"In the Tantrik tradition, an enemy is simply an ally viewed in the wrong way. Thus, the ego is not to be annihilated in Tantrik yoga but rather purified and infinitely expanded until it simply melts into all that is."

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
12 minutes ago, EmptyVase said:

Taken from  "Tantra Illuminated":

"In the Tantrik tradition, an enemy is simply an ally viewed in the wrong way. Thus, the ego is not to be annihilated in Tantrik yoga but rather purified and infinitely expanded until it simply melts into all that is."

Yes! Good quoting.

Fighting with the ego is just more ego. Analogous to how judging yourself for being judgmental is just a doubling of the mistake.

Which is why I said that Self-Love is the highest teaching. Hating the ego doesn't work. Loving the ego works better. If the ego is acting out it's only because it seeks Love which it has been denied. So give it some Love to pacify it.

The best way to get the ego onboard with killing itself is by showing the ego that "killing itself" just means Infinite Love.


You are God. You are Truth. You are Love. You are Infinity.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now