Leo Gura

Tucker Carlson 2024?

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On 16.09.2020 at 2:27 PM, Leo Gura said:

Putin doesn't want that buffoon in his country. He wants him wreaking havoc in Murica.

Putin will play chess as well as he can. Of course, it is in his interest to keep him in command as president. But if he's ousted, if shit starts to hit the fan for Trump, a smart move would be to try to absorb him and juice him for secrets. Parading in Moscow with him as his trophy  in exchange for a subventioned gaudy lifestyle would be totally worth it.

Or if not as blatant, offering him consulting contracts and speeches for crazy money and hookers. 

On 16.09.2020 at 10:28 PM, Leo Gura said:

@Husseinisdoingfine He will muddy the election results so that it isn't clear in his follower's minds that he lost. So his followers will feel outraged even if he loses. They will precieve it as radical socialists trying to steal an election.

Laws and courts cannot kick Trump out, only the military high command can. And they will be very hesistant to get involved.

Congress cannot kick him out. And 95% of conservatives in Congress will feel that Trump won even if he loses because they just want to keep power.

It's gonna be a complete clusterfuck. Trump will take the whole country down with him.

I think your analysis is justified. I have a few friends who are looking for visa to exit the country.

 

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I think the idea of him winning or losing or being this or that and taking down the whole country is irrelevant.  That maybe there was and is a massively bigger picture at play.

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On 9/15/2020 at 5:23 PM, Forestluv said:

Similar to Bush vs Gore, yet on a larger scale. 

Yeah....but I don't think it will be Florida this time.  I think Florida will go Red, but Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin may go up to Thanksgiving.  The attorney's are going to get wealthy in 2020. 

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I'm wondering if I should vote in person. I want to vote by mail for convenience, but I heard that there will be issues with mail in voting.


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On 9/15/2020 at 0:41 AM, Leo Gura said:

I think this is a serious possibility and danger:

Him or the likes of Ben Shapiro.

Once Trump fades away, the biggest question will be: What form does conservatism take in America? In a post-Trump political world, I think a lot of right-wing celebrities and talk show hosts will start vying for the top role.

It's going to come down to some scary "Beto O'Rourke vs Richard Spencer" matchup... or the likes of that.

The establishment (Republicans and Democrats) now know that they can scare progressives to the center by dangling a Neofascist in front of anyone even remotely left of center. This enables them to maintain the status quo where the establishment politicians pockets can continue to be lined with bribes from billionaires, major industries, and special interest groups.

So, it benefits the establishment to run ever worsening progressions of "Neoliberal vs Neofascist" because very few will vote for a progressive anti-establishment candidate (like a Bernies Sanders type), if it risks helping the Neofascist get elected. 

This is the dangerous game of voting for the lesser of two evils... which I'm supposing is the only kind of election they'll ever run from here on out. It just works too well to scare people into fortifying the power of politicians and billionaires... including the owners of major companies and industries.


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3 hours ago, Emerald said:

This is the dangerous game of voting for the lesser of two evils...

That's always been the game.


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Historically, truth always wins out in the end. The dissolution of the Soviet Union that inspired George Orwell's 1984 is one of many examples. 

What is unique about the Alternative Facts cult led by Donald Trump is not merely its vast scale, but its existence within a society newly connected to the infinite galaxy of information that is the Internet. In fact, this is the very problem. 

Mainstream news and late night comedy shows have spent years proving that Trump possesses some of the most dastardly possible human qualities stemming from his apparent personality disorder: unintelligence, corruption, cruelty, pettiness, divisiveness, narcissism, crudeness and general ghastlyness.

The cult is well aware of this, but is coming from a completely different level of consciousness. The mainstream culture, which is undoubtedly far from perfect, has been defamed on social media to the extent that Trump can be viewed as a saviour heroically tormenting and crushing the enemy. All his ugliness thus becomes a positive. This narrative has numerous psychological benefits:

* Simple story of a wicked, child-molesting, socialist, subhuman outgroup called the Democrats battling the heroic protagonist Trump. Better than the anxiety-inducing complexity, confusion and loss of control of tackling the information/misinformation overload as an individual, which is more than weak minded people can tolerate. 

* A sense of brotherly unity against an enemy fulfils human desire for companionship, a tribe, and a wicked foe whose defeat gives a sense of purpose. 

* Now one can have the ability to live in a make-believe fantasy world where anything you want to be true is true. Children use fantasy as a coping mechanism during intense stress, and now adults can too. Other people are to blame for everything. Scientists who present disturbing information about ecology can be silenced or 'debunked' to resolve feelings of anxiety. And feeling good about it provides a reward to the brain, incentivising ever more divorce from reality.

Dealing with mental health woes on a vast scale is hard, but the inevitability of restraints on social media 'free speech' as a trojan horse for manipulation of the gullible is a small first step, as will be a grown-up president at some stage. For us, understanding the psychological phenomena at play is crucial. Just my 2c.

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3 minutes ago, Emerald said:

But now way more than ever.

Exactly.


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He spent three days on the racist tree story. lol

He is good at turning the narrative in the direction he wants in his safe space, his own news. It happens that this direction is the same that big corporations and their media want, he will never speak against them, their tax cuts, or the huge benefits of medical and insurance companies while people die for not having access to doctors, but focus on the real problems of the people, racist trees. Unless Democrats elect a candidate that can disarm him in those tricks, he has good chances. Also, Republicans may not be able to feed on silly culture wars forever, or that's at least what I hope, they seem to be burning that fuel fast.

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On 15/09/2020 at 8:27 PM, Leo Gura said:

If Joe wins in 2020, it could be Trump in 2021.

And don't forget, if Trump loses, he can run again in 2024.

To be honest, I'm a bit separated from how trump supporters think now. 

In 2016, I supported Trump as a meme. Being just a teen shitposting on the Internet.  I liked him for not being PC. But now it's so obvious that he isn't anti establishment at all and is the establishment. 

Trump won because of memes and shitposting. I refuse to believe otherwise. Teens who would shit post kekistan and pepe. Don't get me wrong, pepe memes are still and always will be amazing. Thankfully they've been depoliticised. Kekistan is a cringe meme now though. 

I don't think he has that same power now, but he doesn't need to have it. He has other avenues of energy and enthusiasm. Just normal conservatives. 

Since I used to identify strongly as an atheist back as a teen, I followed Sam Harris, got dragged into the anti-SJW shit. I was in reaction to my strict Islam upbringing, and was mildly xenophobic of third world muslim countries. 

 

What I found interesting is that all of us Sam Harris fans were pro Trump, but Sam was as anti Trump as someone could be. It was weird. It shows that Sam was being played like a fiddle by his own narratives about the evil far left, and didn't realise what he was empowering. 

But he hasn't learnt since then. He's still as left brained and thick skulled as ever. 


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On 9/15/2020 at 2:35 AM, Leo Gura said:

I don't see Kamala being president. She didn't get enough interest in the primaries and dropped out real early. She will definitely try to run for president again, but I doubt she will succeed. There will be more interesting choices in 2024 and she likely won't excite enough people. But I think she's a good VP pick for Joe.

Do you think Kamala has a lot of potential for improving her level of charisma?

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On 16/09/2020 at 3:44 AM, Leo Gura said:

He's already laying the groundwork.

Trump will never admit defeat, even if he loses both the popular vote and electoral college. He has already blamed any future loss on Democrat rigging and fraud. No matter what happens the Democrats will be scapegoated and gaslit for the loss. Everything Trump does to rig the system he will blame on Democrats and progressives.

By more powerful leader you mean an authoritarian. That is exactly the problem. We don't need a more powerful president.

You got it backwards. Trump will not defend anything against Putin.

If Putin annexed any more territory, Biden and his administration would be very against it and tough on Putin with crazy sanctions. Biden is not weak on Russia or NATO. Trump has been undermining NATO.

Oh, his health looks good enough to be alive.

The biggest problem for him is: you have to be out of prison to run for president.

If Trump loses, there's a good chance he's going to prison. Tons of criminal cases pending against him.

Which is why he will refuse to leave office. For Trump, leaving office is basically a prison sentence. He needs the immunity.

 

On 16/09/2020 at 10:28 PM, Leo Gura said:

He will muddy the election results so that it isn't clear in his follower's minds that he lost. So his followers will feel outraged even if he loses. They will precieve it as radical socialists trying to steal an election.

Laws and courts cannot kick Trump out, only the military high command can. And they will be very hesistant to get involved.

Congress cannot kick him out. And 95% of conservatives in Congress will feel that Trump won even if he loses because they just want to keep power.

It's gonna be a complete clusterfuck. Trump will take the whole country down with him.

 

On 16/09/2020 at 11:02 PM, Leo Gura said:

He already has orchestrated it.

Trump certainly cannot be a serious dictator, because he is not a serious person, but he can destroy American from within like a saboteur or con artist by polarizing the culture war. Which is exactly his entire strategy and talent. The greatest damage he's doing is radicalizing average people to believe in his egoically twisted version of reality. The brainwashing of the American culture and people by right-wing politics is extremely problematic and dangerous. And it has already happened.

The only question is how to cure this cancer of the collective mind.

 

On 16/09/2020 at 11:15 PM, Leo Gura said:

Of course he's a paper tiger. His bluster is merely an overcompensation of his own weakness. He's a weakling posturing as a strongman.

But nevertheless, he is a highly skilled con artist and bullshittter who spreads untruth, delusion, and corruption. And that alone is dangerous in the information age. Rolling tanks through the streets is no longer the main issue in the 21st century. The real issue is corruption of peoples' minds.

 

Gosh! These posts aged pretty damn well.

That was one terribly accurate analysis @Leo Gura.

Any more foreshadows? :P 


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Tucker Carlson is intolerable even to most of the right.

Even in 4 years I don't think Ben Shapiro is a possibility based just on the fact that he's Jewish.

Maybe one of the other "intellectual darkweb" guys is a possibility.

Personally I'm looking forward to Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson vs Kanye West in 2024 or something similarly ridiculous.

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On 9/18/2020 at 10:40 PM, Leo Gura said:

Exactly.

Leo, I am thinking seriously that he is going to do real damage and maybe stay in a coup d'etat.

He has appointed all the judges he need in the supreme court to support his lies about voter fraud.

He removed the secretary of defense because he denied to use the army against the people.

He has declared that he is not going to concede, and he said to the press that they will see a peaceful transfer of power, but not a transfer, mostly "a continuity".

Now the Top Policy Official of the pentagon has resigned, and in his place he will put Anthony Tata that he said once that Obama was Kenyan and I don't know what else.

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After the White House announced his nomination this year, Tata came under fire for tweets calling Obama a “terrorist leader” and for referring to Islam as the "most oppressive violent religion I know of," among other controversial statements.

The problem is that everyone who clashes with him is resigning and he is surrounding with lackeys loyal to him in positions of power.

And that's the problem, they are in position of power and they can do real damage.

 

I am really afraid that he will try to do a coup d'etat and maybe he can succeed because I see the democrats like they are taking everything very lightly. IDK

 

Edit 1: Mike Pompeo has just said in a press conference that "It will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration"

Edit 2: Head Of DOJ's Election Crimes Unit Steps Down After Barr OKs Election Inquiries https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-2020-election-results/2020/11/10/933395215/head-of-doj-s-election-crimes-unit-steps-down-after-barr-oks-election-inquiries

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5 minutes ago, abrakamowse said:

He has appointed all the judges he need in the supreme court to support his lies about voter fraud.

All of your other concerns are valid, but let's get this straight.

The Supreme Court will not invalidate the 2020 election and give it to Trump. As bad as SCOTUS is , it has enough wisdom to not play Trump's games. 

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3 minutes ago, Talinn said:

The Supreme Court will not invalidate the 2020 election and give it to Trump. As bad as SCOTUS is , it has enough wisdom to not play Trump's games. 

Larry Lessig seems to also doubt it.

 


“If you are irritated by every rub, how will you be polished?” - Rumi.

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