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Healthy Red... defending a victim against bullies... Unhealthy Red... maybe a bit excessive 


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"Just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down"   --   Marry Poppins

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"Buddhism is for losers and those who will die one day."

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10 hours ago, The Blind Sage said:

What are some modern, healthy examples of stage red?

Generally, stage red is healthy when it's used in self-defence against predatory red when other measures are impossible. Red is a central part of your individuality, and it will be triggered when your individuality is being adequately violated.


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Yeah, definitely a bully defense.

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  • North Korean pupils now spend 90 minutes a day learning the ‘greatness’ of Kim Jong-un, according to reports from the country.

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18 hours ago, The Blind Sage said:

What are some modern, healthy examples of stage red?

"Healthy" is a relative notion.

In a modern society, Red is not going to look healthy. Red is not a modern way of dealing with problems or people.


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Might not fall into your definition of "healthy" haha

Red verging on the psychopathic rather that just plain ol' Red...?


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@K Ghoul Toxicity cannot be expressed unless the environment supports or provokes it in some way.

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27 minutes ago, K Ghoul said:

@Husseinisdoingfine Conspiracy science is based on illogical, paranoid delusional incoherent thoughts that all mix together into such a mess that only an insane mind is able to make sense of it all.

If only it was that simple...


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4 hours ago, K Ghoul said:

I just listened to your talk about Hitler. Good analysis, yet too surfacy. Hence the importance of working with primary sources - Mein Kampf, in this case - when conducting research.

Mein Kampf is a terrible source because you're reading his own ego-mind's rationalizations.

It's silly to expect Hitler to give you a honest and accurate analysis of his own motives and biases.

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Hitler did not get brainwashed by the the media at all.

He absolutely did.

Where did all his ideas come from? He certainly didn't invent them. They were in vogue his era. No human mind naturally comes out as Hitler's did. That kind of worldview only comes from deep indoctrination and cultural programming. Frustrated with his personal life, Hitler found succor in radical right-wing ideologies which were popular at the time. He turned his life's purpose into fighting his own shadow. He chose the lesser vs the Greater Jihad. And of course he would not admit this to you if you asked him because he was unconscious of these ego dynamics.

The goal of world domination was just part of his indoctrination in ultra right-wing nationalism which believed that Germans are the best ethnicity and their proper place is to rule over all the others.

His project to exterminate the Jews was even more important to him than world domination. Hitler diverted a lot of energy way from fighting WWII towards exterminating Jews. If Hitler hasn't been so obsessed with exterminating Jews, he might have actually won the war.

My analysis is anything but surfacy.


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19 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Mein Kampf is a terrible source because you're reading his own ego-mind's rationalizations.

It's silly to expect Hitler to give you a honest and accurate analysis of his own motives and biases.

He absolutely did.

Where did all his ideas come from? He certainly didn't invent them. They were in vogue his era. No human mind naturally comes out as Hitler's did. That kind of worldview only comes from deep indoctrination and cultural programming. Frustrated with his personal life, Hitler found succor in radical right-wing ideologies which were popular at the time. He turned his life's purpose into fighting his own shadow. He chose the lesser vs the Greater Jihad. And of course he would not admit this to you if you asked him because he was unconscious of these ego dynamics.

The goal of world domination was just part of his indoctrination in ultra right-wing nationalism which believed that Germans are the best ethnicity and their proper place is to rule over all the others.

His project to exterminate the Jews was even more important to him than world domination. Hitler diverted a lot of energy way from fighting WWII towards exterminating Jews. If Hitler hasn't been so obsessed with exterminating Jews, he might have actually won the war.

My analysis is anything but surfacy.

Yeah, I personally totally agree.

From a meta perspective the war had to end this way. Because consciousness moves towards integration and unity, so the two world conflicts had to produce a nuanced push towards peace and harmless diplomacy. The UN for example. Of course this interested only the european nations and north america, since the US kept on messing around with vietnam, korea, the middle east etc.... but definitely the second world conflict HAD TO end in a more peaceful western world order.

It's the same as the french revolution. Absolute monarchy was becoming really outdated and low consciousness.


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17 minutes ago, K Ghoul said:

I disagree. 
Human mind can absolutely naturally come out as his, and in all kinds of other ways. Consider the possibility that he was not neurotypical.

Hitler strikes me of being of regular mind to me, perhaps he could've been a little autistic or something but then again so is a good chunk of the population, so this isn't anything particularly unique.

I think Leo is right, Hitler's radical nationalism and anti-semitism developed as a result of the sentiments floating around Europe at the time. It's not like he targeted his hatred at Mongols or Indians, because he had no cultural conditioning to do so, even though it's about as rational to blame Germany's defeat on them as it is to blame it on Jewish people.

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1 minute ago, K Ghoul said:

And I think that not only he was on the spectrum, he was on the very far end of it. Look into the theory of mind. Context blindness. Not seeing forest for the tress. Black and white thinking.

That's true of everyone at stage Blue, that's not unique to autistic people

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