ivankiss

You are not God and will never be.

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1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

Yes that is why the  Absolute Truth cannot be spoken.  All we can do is point at it but our words aren't Truth itself (although in a way they are lol relatively) ..but I'm sure you probably know that.

if transcending and having insight is just a troll to find

 how lel I feel my pov, and I feel the world, I m alive.

I had to find that life was just beautiful and I m complete.

this isn't enlightment, this isn't even being woke, that's being utterly deluded.

 

if for PEOPLE here, finding your tails and accept the tail is part of growth, it's lol knowing the illusion was not an illusion,

you didn't fully woke.

fully woke means you cut off your tails, it means you killed all illusions, even the illusion of being an human in a pov, cause it is another illusion;

the illusion of being

the illusion of oneness

the illusion of illusion

the illusion of "full circle", there has never been a circle to start with
 

NO.
ultime is knowing entirely you're god, god god point.

not like an idea, but like you still believe that rock are rocks, you know that yourself is god, just like the rock appear as a rock to you.

god appear as god, that's all.


a character in the system could reach god through himself;

 

when you wake, you come from a place of being a content to being a structure.

things change forever, and you'll never be the same, and nothing you want to call oneness exist neither.

I can realise myself fully and still act as Hitler, no one fucking knows who will become the joker, who is good, who is bad, blablablabla.

it's all masturbation to grow up.

 

you sounds like a flower with rage

 

and unconsciousness doesn't exist neither, everything is conscious, and you become like the flower, more & more close to the sun.

 

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2 hours ago, Synchronicity said:

@ivankiss I think you would like this quote: 

“The greatest realization isn’t escaping the illusion. It’s realizing there never was one.” 

Nice. 

No realization will set us free. Something that's helpful and beneficial today, might be useless and irrelevant tomorrow. What we realize we inevitably must let go of. The Universe is infinitely creative. One can easily fall into an endless loop of waking up from one realization only to fall asleep to another. Forever chasing the next "highest insight". The truest truth of them all. And that can be painful. It starts out all cool and fun, but eventually it turns into hell. Truth is not hiding. Truth is obvious and simple. We only must know where to look 💚

On a side-note...I feel like I should make this clear to prevent any confusion for those reading; 

This is all just me expressing, documenting and sharing my own process of evolution. I am not trying to declare Truth or change anyone's mind. I simply enjoy posting here and reading other people's thoughts and views. That's all.

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there was an illusion, all there is "is illusion"

 

in fact, all there is before :

- Illusion of ego

- awareness of concept : "illusion and perspective"

- you become aware of the idea of illusion and perspective.

- you're now aware of the process of illusion & perspective.

- you're not the same : now you have illusion of your own deluded illusion.

 

even if words are flat, pointer to true metaphysical points are "accurate" for a moment, context . .

All things change, unless time reverse itself

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4 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

Nice. 

No realization will set us free. Something that's helpful and beneficial today, might be useless and irrelevant tomorrow. What we realize we inevitably must let go of. The Universe is infinitely creative. One can easily fall into an endless loop of waking up from one realization only to fall asleep to another. Forever chasing the next "highest insight". The truest truth of them all. And that can be painful. It starts out all cool and fun, but eventually it turns into hell. Truth is not hiding. Truth is obvious and simple. We only must know where to look 💚

On a side-note...I feel like I should make this clear to prevent any confusion for those reading; 

This is all just me expressing, documenting and sharing my own process of evolution. I am not trying to declare Truth or change anyone's mind. I simply enjoy posting here and reading other people's thoughts and views. That's all.

Well said! :)

The understanding you can lose is not it. The realization you can have and then forget is not it. The peace you have to get to through any means is not it. The state you can know is not it. 

Thank you for sharing your journey :)

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1 hour ago, Inliytened1 said:

@VeganAwake interestingly enough by making it up in the mind - its there :)  just not what it appears to be.    One can see it from that perspective too.

 

Yes it's a made-up fictitious belief created by the mind. Its not real, yes it's definitely a perspective. 😃 

 

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@Aeris nice. ❤🙏


We must not cease from exploration and at the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at the place where we began and to know the place for the first time.       --T.S Eliot

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4 hours ago, Synchronicity said:

 

It’s all perspective and experience. Depending on the experience, duality can be 1. Real, 2. Illusory (as you said), 3. Both, 4. Neither etc. 

I actually think you misunderstood me. I am saying Duality is an illusion, it is not real, it is not both, and neither is impossible because there's only nonduality or Oneness.

Your example here is a lack of complete understanding and experience.

We can still peacefully disagree ❤ ❤

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@VeganAwake i believe he is speaking from a dualistic or relative POV.  Relatively speaking, since everything is imaginary - whatever you imagine is real becomes real for you.  


We must not cease from exploration and at the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at the place where we began and to know the place for the first time.       --T.S Eliot

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23 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Your example here is a lack of complete understanding and experience.

We can still peacefully disagree ❤ ❤

Yes, we can peacefully disagree but I think you’re confusing a broader perspective for “a lack of understanding.”
My perspective includes yours within it. It totally agrees with yours but it also includes and agrees with others. It’s just more inclusive 

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ITT: I'm more enlightened than you are


Nothing can make you happy until Nothing can make you happy.

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1 minute ago, nistake said:

ITT: I'm more enlightened than you are

Correct. There exist infinitely many perspectives where you’re more enlightened than anyone

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Ivankiss: you are the apple. Not the tree. An apple is apple, a tree is tree.

This is Truth, but not the highest Truth.

Leo: the apple is no different than a tree. An apple contains within it, endless possibilities for creating trees. The seed. That seed of creation is within us all. That seed of creation, that power is God and it is not separate from us. It is us. The seed is in the tree and the tree is in the seed. Realize your creative potential and give life to creating a forrest of your own.

This is the highest/broadest Truth as Leo said 


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3 hours ago, Synchronicity said:

Correct. There exist infinitely many perspectives where you’re more enlightened than anyone

I call that God's Infinite perspective in form.  Infinite imagination.  I have experienced it as the Godhead in form.  And within the One mind imagining all of Infinity - it is simultaneously experiencing or exploring itself as an infinite amount of finite perspectives.


We must not cease from exploration and at the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at the place where we began and to know the place for the first time.       --T.S Eliot

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@VeganAwake That’s just one perspective

I already agreed with you that that perspective is true but you seem adamant in having me limit myself to just that one 

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@SoonHei Very nice.

At the end of the day though, you'd bite into an apple. Not the tree. It is important to see things as they are. Even if they are the same in their essence.

I am not implying separation between the apple and the tree. Nor am I denying the seed. 

I am simply pointing out the obvious. Which is, as you put it;

An apple is apple. 

A tree is tree. 

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31 minutes ago, SoonHei said:

 the apple is no different than a tree. An apple contains within it, endless possibilities for creating trees. The seed. That seed of creation is within us all. That seed of creation, that power is God and it is not separate from us. It is us. The seed is in the tree and the tree is in the seed. Realize your creative potential and give life to creating a forrest of your own.

 

If one focuses one's mediation on an apple tree it can produce oranges
so an apple tree is also no different from an orange tree
or a fish
 

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6 hours ago, peanutspathtotruth said:

That's why I feel quite skeptical and distanced about you lately, and it's sad to see how strongly you defend your perspectives. Don't you see that to think to be God is STILL duality? The moment you make it anything, it's too much. What you are knows nothing of being this or that. It is Knowing and yet it doesn't know anything about itself. What is an Absolute that has to know itself to be itself? That's duality. You start with the assumption that you can know what you are, that is a belief. You believe you're so very conscious and we are not - don't you see that this is a trap in itself? The very fact that you claim the truth is already showing that you're not getting it. You try to dig deeper and deeper and you don't see that this very trying is making you blind to the simplicity of what You are. And the ways in which you're responding - belittling the insights of others, not even once taking into consideration that there is something you might not understand - is just another sign of your confusion. But you try to portray an act of knowing it all. 

Now I expect the classic "You're not conscious enough." Maybe for once you're willing to see how you're fooling yourself this way. This is not meant as a personal attack, but as a feedback to your teaching. Only incrementally did your way of teaching become more and more arrogant and I'm just pointing it out. That's how I view it. I tried it before, but you seem to block anything that challenges you. 

Well said, thank you. In general, where has the open mindedness gone? That applies to the whole forum, regardless of which perspective is true or not. It seems that one special opinion on reality (non duality) is preached and every other opinion is not really welcome or considered. Besides I'm not claiming to know the TRUTH, but it's a pity and I'm probably not the only one who thinks so.

 


Life is what happens to you while you’re busy making other plans.

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2 minutes ago, ivankiss said:

@SoonHei Very nice.

At the end of the day though, you'd bite into an apple. Not the tree. It is important to see things as they are. Even if they are the same in their essence.

I am not implying separation between the apple and the tree. Nor am I denying the seed. 

I am simply pointing out the obvious. Which is, as you put it;

An apple is apple. 

A tree is tree. 

yes

apple = non-apple

tree = non-tree

but

apple ≠ tree

and

non-apple ≠ non-tree

however

apple ≠ tree  =  non-apple ≠ non-tree 

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