ivankiss

You are not God and will never be.

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1 minute ago, peanutspathtotruth said:

What are you trying to say? Also: Is there no room for honest feedback without getting told that one is triggered? Maybe I am, maybe not. Why does it matter? Why is there always this tendency to not take seriously when someone is critiqued? It's really tiring...

It was very serious. 

Your mind create the idea that I play with you. And that's probably a projection created by imprint of reading others around.

I wasn't and my message is very serious.

I m god. Everything. Universe. Absolute

Not this not that. But everything and nothing

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Aeris said:

It was very serious. 

Your mind create the idea that I play with you. And that's probably a projection created by imprint of reading others around.

Honestly I was just confused what you were trying to say as I am now :D 

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36 minutes ago, Synchronicity said:

Yeah, that’s why I always like to say “God is you, but you are not God” Lol

The Absolute trumps relativity.  Thats why its Absolute! ❤


We must not cease from exploration and at the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at the place where we began and to know the place for the first time.       --T.S Eliot

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Remember Duality is an illusion, don't make it into something real. 

Although the waves appear to be separate there still the ocean.

All the sandcastles on the beach are still just the sand on the beach.

Duality does not equal nonduality because duality never actually existed it was just your mind that created it.

There is no other it's always just been oneness. This is the meaning of nonduality.

The separation never occurred it was just your mind that tricked you into believing you were a limited separate self. 

Saying duality = nonduality is like saying the Mirage of the soda machine in the desert is the same as the soda machine....it is not, the soda machine will give you a cold soda. The Mirage will have you walking until you dehydrate and die. Make sense?

Love you all ❤

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24 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Remember Duality is an illusion, don't make it into something real. 

What you experience as illusory in this form, you may experience as real in another.

So telling someone that “duality being real is a false belief” is like telling someone that they’re wrong for considering a half-full glass “half-empty.”

It’s all perspective and experience. Depending on the experience, duality can be 1. Real, 2. Illusory (as you said), 3. Both, 4. Neither etc. 

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Two are One but not the same.

Lots of theory. Not enough experience. 

In order to understand truly, one must live fully. 

Sad then that so many are avoiding Life; believing it's an illusion.

There is no illusion.

Everything is exactly as it is.

No one is being tricked.

 

 

 

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@ivankiss I think you would like this quote: 

“The greatest realization isn’t escaping the illusion. It’s realizing there never was one.” 

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10 minutes ago, Synchronicity said:

@ivankiss I think you would like this quote: 

“The greatest realization isn’t escaping the illusion. It’s realizing there never was one.” 

An illusion is not an illusion until it is not an illusion. :)

 


We must not cease from exploration and at the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at the place where we began and to know the place for the first time.       --T.S Eliot

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17 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

An illusion is not an illusion until it is not an illusion. :)

 

😂Perfect

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@Synchronicity

❤🙏


We must not cease from exploration and at the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at the place where we began and to know the place for the first time.       --T.S Eliot

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1 hour ago, Synchronicity said:

What you experience as illusory in this form, you may experience as real in another.

So telling someone that “duality being real is a false belief” is like telling someone that they’re wrong for considering a half-full glass “half-empty.”

It’s all perspective and experience. Depending on the experience, duality can be 1. Real, 2. Illusory (as you said), 3. Both, 4. Neither etc. 

Its not the same thing bud...The glass analogy is a true perspective, as in both statements are correct.

Calling an illusion reality is a lack of understanding.

Oneness or nonduality is all there is.

Duality is a figment of the imagination, I mind made fictitious belief. Its Maya!!

But you don't have to take my word for it find out for yourself. You are very clever ❤

Here is one of my favorite quotes: " The biggest obstacle to Discovery is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge" 

 

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Oneness or nonduality is all there is.

But even that is just a thought. For nonduality to be there needs to be an opposite. For Oneness to be, there would need to be not-Oneness. By naming it, you automatically imply that there is a contrast to that. That's why all that needs to be let go of. You can realize oneness and not see that that is still an interpretation of that which has no opposite, which can't be named. Duality and Non-Duality is still a pair, still a contrast. Even all that jargon is too much already!

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@VeganAwake So your perspective is absolute and everyone else’s is ignorant? I wasn’t invalidating what you said. I’m saying it’s a piece in a broader whole 

1 hour ago, Synchronicity said:

Depending on the experience, duality can be 1. Real, 2. Illusory (as you said), 3. Both, 4. Neither etc. 

 

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@VeganAwake I feel like to share with you what @SoonHei was sharing xD

So much has been written about this, but few seem to understand that this supposed Advaita ( Not 2) Siddhant ( philosophical conclusion) has come about due to the mis-translation of the word ‘Maya’ into English. This Sanskrit term does not translate squarely into English as ‘illusion’. There are subtleties to the meaning, which more correctly can be understood as: ‘That which is not’. Which refines the meaning from: the thing only seems to exist... to: that thing is indeed Real— but is not what I think it is.

For Adi Shankara, the world is not an illusion— it is indeed real. But it is Maya. And Maya is also Real. It is an eternal power of Brahman (the Divine). It is the power which keeps the experience of the Divine obscured. That obscuration is also obviously indeed Real. So Maya is Real— not an illusion, which implies thinking something is there when it’s not. Well, It IS there!— but it’s not what we think it is. Based on this mis-translation of Sanskrit, the Neo Non Duality movement has been born.


"When you do things from your soul, you feel a river moving in you, a joy.
 When actions come from another section, the feeling disappears. Don't let others lead you.
 They may be blind or, worse, vultures. Reach for the rope of God." − Rumi

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7 minutes ago, peanutspathtotruth said:

But even that is just a thought. For nonduality to be there needs to be an opposite. For Oneness to be, there would need to be not-Oneness. By naming it, you automatically imply that there is a contrast to that. That's why all that needs to be let go of. You can realize oneness and not see that that is still an interpretation of that which has no opposite, which can't be named. Duality and Non-Duality is still a pair, still a contrast. Even all that jargon is too much already!

Yes that is why the  Absolute Truth cannot be spoken.  All we can do is point at it but our words aren't Truth itself (although in a way they are lol relatively) ..but I'm sure you probably know that.


We must not cease from exploration and at the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at the place where we began and to know the place for the first time.       --T.S Eliot

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11 minutes ago, Synchronicity said:

@VeganAwake So your perspective is absolute and everyone else’s is ignorant? I wasn’t invalidating what you said. I’m saying it’s a piece in a broader whole 

 

Yes that's what I'm saying and I'm sorry if I sounded like a know-it-all jerk.

The illusion of Duality is so God can experience itself in human form.

Reality = Love and what is all-encompassing can have no opposite.

Nothing real can be threatened nothing unreal exists here in lies the peace of God ❤

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15 minutes ago, dimitri said:

@VeganAwake I feel like to share with you what @SoonHei was sharing xD

So much has been written about this, but few seem to understand that this supposed Advaita ( Not 2) Siddhant ( philosophical conclusion) has come about due to the mis-translation of the word ‘Maya’ into English. This Sanskrit term does not translate squarely into English as ‘illusion’. There are subtleties to the meaning, which more correctly can be understood as: ‘That which is not’. Which refines the meaning from: the thing only seems to exist... to: that thing is indeed Real— but is not what I think it is.

For Adi Shankara, the world is not an illusion— it is indeed real. But it is Maya. And Maya is also Real. It is an eternal power of Brahman (the Divine). It is the power which keeps the experience of the Divine obscured. That obscuration is also obviously indeed Real. So Maya is Real— not an illusion, which implies thinking something is there when it’s not. Well, It IS there!— but it’s not what we think it is. Based on this mis-translation of Sanskrit, the Neo Non Duality movement has been born.

That's very interesting in my example I was using Maya to describe something that is definitely not there and made up in the mind.

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12 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Yes that's what I'm saying and I'm sorry if I sounded like a know-it-all jerk.

The illusion of Duality is so God can experience itself in human form.

Reality = Love and what is all-encompassing can have no opposite.

Nothing real can be threatened nothing unreal exists here in lies the peace of God ❤

Coolio🙏❤️ I’m always satisfied with a peaceful ending on the same page

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@VeganAwake interestingly enough by making it up in the mind - its there :)  just not what it appears to be.    One can see it from that perspective too.

 


We must not cease from exploration and at the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at the place where we began and to know the place for the first time.       --T.S Eliot

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6 hours ago, Nak Khid said:

the term non-duality is a negative abstract concept. 

It's like atheism, which is not a belief.   It's a lack of a particular belief.

It's like you are living in a community that thinks a giant turtle created the universe and
you don't believe it but so many other people do you have to start calling your self a non-turtle-ist

But being a non non-turtle-ist doesn't inform us on what you do believe, we all know that the universe was actually created by a giant alligator.

If you want to use the word non-duality you might as well use the term non-oneness

 

There's no math there. It' simply taking two items perceived as opposites and putting an equals sign between then.

black = white
night = day

But instead of actual items you just add the word "non" and then pretending it's a real thing (false dichotomy)

To says that Duality = non-duality is to create artificial opposites and then to sabotage the terms by putting in an  = sign
That s math abuse.

Then when we come to You = God it doesn't fit the pattern either

Here's the pattern

Duality = non-duality. 

Now, listen very carefully,  following the same pattern "God" is introduced the result is

God = non-God

You = non-You

Oneness = non-Oneness

 

math abused the two parallel lines first. i can`t say  2 apples = 2 pears but i also can`t say 2 apples = not 2 pears ? but 2=2 ?

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