Leo Gura

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4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Without survival you could not experience anything. So survival is the #1 requirement of any kind of formed existence.

The purpose is to have you experience the multiplicity of Creation, the formed world.

You are just like a droplet of water which has to break off from the ocean, fly up into the air, and then re-merge with the ocean. The purpose of this is to experience what it's like to be separated from the ocean and then to rediscover what it's like to be the ocean. You can't appreciate being the whole ocean without first breaking off and being a drop.

Thank you, it hits home.
I wrote an essay describing that cycle from the point of view of a drop of water that when I was a third-grader.

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My dog has a massive throbbing cancer tumour on her stomach. Please explain to me how this is divine or love. 


"The narcissist becomes one with everything, because the narcissist is everything and everything is the narcissist" -Sam Vaknin

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@Leo Gura Are you just saying that everything in the universe is perfect? Is that what absolute Love means? 


"God is good, God is everything - the end. You go on with your illusion that something is not okay, and you lose, and you lose, and you lose.” — Byron Katie

 

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5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Schahin But notice that your attitude shows disdain for destruction.

Creation cannot occur without destruction. So by judging or demonizing one, you unwittingly shoot yourself in the foot and reject the large totality of reality.

If you hate any aspect of reality, you are hating yourself, which means you are disconnected from God's Love and your vision is clouded by ego & delusion.

Total enlightenment robs you of the ability to judge reality. Sorry. I know how much you love to hate, but that shit won't fly if you want to reach the highest levels of understanding.

Holy shit, this blew my mind.

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4 hours ago, remember said:

@Angelite don`t you think that an eye for an eye is mockery of love already? what is a reason if the reason for killing is love but the killing is not. the eye is there to protect, not to kill.

Killing for love is selfish. Even if it's infinite love. You can only kill when there is a valid reason. 

Or else, one life is equal to the whole of mankind. That's your karma. 

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An eye for an eye is neutral.

If you forgive, then it's mercy on your part, you'll get your reward that will manifest in a different way. 

If you don't forgive, and don't take the eye, it will manifest in a different way for the other person. 

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That's how you become free from shadows. 

But it is important not to do injustice to others. Or else the karma will turn back to you. 

But forgiveness, will elevate you in a whole different level. You'll be free. And shall have your reward.

You can't fake forgiveness. So don't do injustice to others. Especially to children and orphans. 

 

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15 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Love is a distinct awakening that one must have. Some people, especially masculine men who tend to skew towards autistic may have a limited ability to realize love. Many men have closed hearts or avoid emotional expressiveness.

For example, I'm not sure if a clinical psychopath can realize Love. My guess is he can, but he's just not very likely to.

As someone who has high functioning autism, I can say that I used to really close myself off from love (not as a child, but afterwards). However, one of the things that really changed for me was when I watched your “How To Be A Man - Part 2” episode where you talk about owning and accentuating our feminine qualities. I started getting more in touch with that this past year. Just last month, I became friends with a a girl. I can express all my emotions to her and she can really relate to them. We don’t judge each other and accept each other for who we are, but especially the flaws. She even opened up to me about how she is constantly suicidal. She was contemplating suicide one day; the only person she could open up to at that moment was me. 

Is this one example of love?

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1 hour ago, Angelite said:

Killing for love is selfish. Even if it's infinite love. You can only kill when there is a valid reason. 

Or else, one life is equal to the whole of mankind. That's your karma. 

 ...the only valid reason to not be a murderer is killing in selfdefence. every other murder is murder, there is no difference between killing and murder. there is no valid reason for murder except in the direct attack on ones life.

 

An eye for an eye is neutral.

If you forgive, then it's mercy on your part, you'll get your reward that will manifest in a different way. 

If you don't forgive, and don't take the eye, it will manifest in a different way for the other person. 

.....an eye for an eye for an eye for an eye for an eye for an eye for an eyefor an eye is infinite karma. fulfilling itself in reasons beyond love - love for reasons beyond reason.

Mercy would mean there is someone who needs the power to be mercyful to forgive, but if the ego doesnt see it as rightfull to murder there is no reason to show mercy, there is only reason to show  truth to those who take lifes anyways. and lifes usually are taken on both sides.

That's how you become free from shadows. 

But it is important not to do injustice to others. Or else the karma will turn back to you. 

But forgiveness, will elevate you in a whole different level. You'll be free. And shall have your reward.

You can't fake forgiveness. So don't do injustice to others. Especially to children and orphans. injustice is already what happened to the victims, it´s already injust for the orphans, the burden is usually carried by those who survive on both sides.

 

 

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I am not sure if these have been answered:

Is love just a different word for non-resistance?

What differentiates love from not loving?

How do you know whether your love will truly be the best thing for all? Can love be abused?

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If God has created all of „this“ and then took (in this case) human form and made itself forget it did it... 

And then invented evolution, „life“ and „the world“ to learn to love itself again... which is my understanding from tripping...

Why not go straight to complete Love again? Why suffering? 

I mean God can make something out of nothing. Why this „in between“? Why does evolution take so long (I know this is only long for a human but still). 

And finally: What is the most direct way to break through to a natural state of absolute Love on a day to day basis? 

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4 hours ago, Shaun said:

My dog has a massive throbbing cancer tumour on her stomach. Please explain to me how this is divine or love. 

Very fucking easy.... are you ready? I can give the answer.... can you God Damn take it?

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The entire framework that provides for existence and nonexistence Itself is Love.

The nature of Dasein [Heidegger] Itself is Love.

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I am approaching 50 years of age. I have 1.2 lungs due to surgery for spindle cell sarcoma in 2010. I then was diagnosed with a non-related Carcinoma (different subtype of cancer) in my right kidney in 2015. Both were excized via laproscopy and knife (traditional surgery) respectively. I still live. My boxer dog died of Cancer a few years ago. Tumors all through her body. My wife and I were devastated. Her mother died of two years ago. Her father died of C.O.P.D. while we were living in his house taking care of him earlier this year. 3 months later my own dad died of a Glioblastoma (severe brain tumor) after slowly losing his mind. He used to be a Ph.D in History. Consciousness witnessed the total dissolusion of his "mind" (a nonexistant) as did us and his loved ones after attempting to keep his cath clean while he was on hospice. I moved out of my home and left all my worldly possesions to be my wife's father's full time hospice nurse, with no previous experience. Right after he died I had to help my mother with my dad. We survived.

Back in 2000 I battled sever bipolar and two mental institutionalizations where I was beaten and injected with Haldol, Thorazine, and Prolixin. Life is rough, and it all occurs within an inimitible formless Absolutely Divine framework of Unconditional love.

"I promise you to This."  <---- funny quote from the 12th Kenting Tai Situpa of Mahamudra Lineage/Vajrayana/Tibetan Buddhism. 

Edited by Sri Ramana Maharshi
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@Leo Gura

How do you deepen your embodiment of love in every present experience? 

I understand everything and at the stage of attempting to embody love/truth in every experience fully.

I have been successful and getting more and more aware through constant self-inquiry, observation, and beingness. About 50% of my experience, I am aware of that which I am.  

I'm just curious what you do to deepen it.   

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5 minutes ago, erik8lrl said:

@Leo Gura

How do you deepen your embodiment of love in every present experience? 

I understand everything and at the stage of attempting to embody love/truth in every experience fully.

I have been successful and getting more and more aware through constant self-inquiry, observation, and beingness. About 50% of my experience, I am aware of that which I am.  

I'm just curious what you do to deepen it.   

By melting your ego. Embodiment of Love = Selflessness. Once you have no ego, you will be completely selfless, i.e. completely loving.


"God is good, God is everything - the end. You go on with your illusion that something is not okay, and you lose, and you lose, and you lose.” — Byron Katie

 

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@How to be wise  Yes, but it is much harder to be egoless all the time, and I don't think you can be completely egoless while alive, but you can get to a point where the ego is almost not there anymore. The ego comes back again and again during the process of embodiment. 

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6 hours ago, How to be wise said:

@Leo Gura Are you just saying that everything in the universe is perfect? Is that what absolute Love means? 

What do you think? :)

Perfect is relative, Everything in the universe and the universe in it's totality just IS (Truth, ISness like Leo says).

Absolute Love, I can try to define it but that is the only thing I seem only to have experienced yet can't describe it as accurately as other things and I don't have a strong desire to even try to anymore, surrendering to it seems "the way", being it.

Absolute Love is that which Transforms the ego/identity.

I'm sure Leo can explain it with less word, saying much more ;)

❤️🙏


Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.

∞∞∞∞ Rumi ∞∞∞∞

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@Shaun

Very sorry to hear about your woof. I hope she/he gets better. If not: remember, all dogs go to heaven, even the messy ones. 

But notice how egocentric your perspective is. It's not even about your dogs suffering, it is really about how you feel when you see your dog suffer. You cant approach love from the perspective that it must suit everyone, its way deeper than that.

It would be easier to believe everything is love if all your life everything had happened just the way you wanted, and same for everyone you ever knew and cared for, yes? 

The cancer in your dog loves what its doing. Its expanding, pulsating of life force. It loves your dog, from its perspective everything is going just perfect. So wich is it, is the situation happening out of love or not? Is the situation miserable or not? 

The cancer originated from the dog itself, its own love for itself to keep living and growing. It loved to eat and play, to produce more cells and keep the organism going. The organism just did not do what YOU want it to do. The cells of your dog did not act according to your wishes. 

The rest of the world wont go according to your wishes either, in fact every time you feel it did it was out of pure accident, you didnt have a say in any of that. It's part of the illusion of being a you, a person. 

Best wishes for you and your dog. You can cultivate much spiritual and personal growth out of your hardship. You did know all along your dog would die eventually, so it just might be this cancer that does it. Act according your own wisdom, face what you already knew was to come. 

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@Leo Gura

Besides the reality right now, the current situation, the % of people with a certain behavior (let's use the word "majority"), why do you seem to have a pessimistic expression (linguistically) when talking certain things? Is it because of something personal, is this just your view of this, am I perceiving it differently, ... ? There seems to be a zest of something which I don't want to presume, therefore I am asking it :)

I know you know what Love is, no doubt, I know you are not bothered by certain things, but what is it than?

❤️🙏


Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.

∞∞∞∞ Rumi ∞∞∞∞

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25 minutes ago, molosku said:

@Shaun

Very sorry to hear about your woof. I hope she/he gets better. If not: remember, all dogs go to heaven, even the messy ones. 

But notice how egocentric your perspective is. It's not even about your dogs suffering, it is really about how you feel when you see your dog suffer. You cant approach love from the perspective that it must suit everyone, its way deeper than that.

It would be easier to believe everything is love if all your life everything had happened just the way you wanted, and same for everyone you ever knew and cared for, yes? 

The cancer in your dog loves what its doing. Its expanding, pulsating of life force. It loves your dog, from its perspective everything is going just perfect. So wich is it, is the situation happening out of love or not? Is the situation miserable or not? 

The cancer originated from the dog itself, its own love for itself to keep living and growing. It loved to eat and play, to produce more cells and keep the organism going. The organism just did not do what YOU want it to do. The cells of your dog did not act according to your wishes. 

The rest of the world wont go according to your wishes either, in fact every time you feel it did it was out of pure accident, you didnt have a say in any of that. It's part of the illusion of being a you, a person. 

Best wishes for you and your dog. You can cultivate much spiritual and personal growth out of your hardship. You did know all along your dog would die eventually, so it just might be this cancer that does it. Act according your own wisdom, face what you already knew was to come. 

I understand a bit better now. It's just perspective then. A terrorist acts based on love for their religion or ideology, I can see that but how can a cancer act based on love if it's just a heap of cells multiplying? It surely doesn't have the capacity to love like something more complex like the terrorist?


"The narcissist becomes one with everything, because the narcissist is everything and everything is the narcissist" -Sam Vaknin

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8 hours ago, Shaun said:

My dog has a massive throbbing cancer tumour on her stomach. Please explain to me how this is divine or love. 

I'm so sorry. I recently lost my dog to a massive spleen tumor. A few weeks before he died, I lost my Grandmother, and the night she died I had a mystical experience. My mom told me that she thought it would be within the next few days that she died and she said to send good thoughts to her. So I did tonglen for her. In breath take on their suffering, outbreath breathe out peace. And very clearly for the first time ever since doing the practice, my intentions bounced back to me and I felt this deep sense of peace. It wasn't her pain, it was my pain. My mom told me an hour later that she had passed. Something was waking up in me, something that knew that death and suffering were illusion. That was the first glimpse. Death is an opening. 

It sounds cruel and ridiculous when you try to describe it to someone, that everything is love. But please believe, it can be experienced and seen. 

Edited by mandyjw

Light on Earth The power of love came into me,
and I became fierce like a lion,
then tender like the evening star.” - Rumi

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@Leo Gura

What is the practical use of using the Love aspect in teaching non-duality? I see a lot of misunderstanding and confusion among people here on the forum.

My biggest disappointment is that Love is being mostly confused with stage Green hippie love. That's crucial. I think there lies the problem for why it's so misunderstood. Stage Green love is probably the highest form they can identify with. Maybe you could benefit from Spiral Dynamics in your future videos. Precisely emphasising stage Yellow love, and stage Turqoise love. I think that would be a good approach that would help elevate a lot of people.

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