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Enlightenment and Suffering

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3 minutes ago, Joker_Theory said:

Have you ever been kicked in the b.lls, trust me not love :D

My parents were conservative and I didn't have brother so the first time I learned about balls was in first grade when a boy was really mean to me and I lost my temper and kicked him. In the balls. I wasn't aiming for anywhere in particular. By his response I thought he must be the biggest wimp that ever lived. I was completely mystified by everyone's responses.

That's the most trouble I ever got in in school. xD


Light on Earth The power of love came into me,
and I became fierce like a lion,
then tender like the evening star.” - Rumi

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@Shin Uggh you have a point..unless ofcourse your using a banana to do the stabbing? Relativity again :)

 


We must not cease from exploration and at the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at the place where we began and to know the place for the first time.       --T.S Eliot

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Getting stabbed is nothing compared all the passion I am ready to give you Shin. Pain is nothing to be afraid about. Yes it Will Hurt but that's how all great love stories start. 

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@zeroISinfinity @Shin oh now this is really getting kinky..and darn i have to drive to work :(

 

 


We must not cease from exploration and at the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at the place where we began and to know the place for the first time.       --T.S Eliot

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3 hours ago, Ponder said:

Do you think enlightenment entails the cessation of suffering or not? And if so, why? 

 


  Nonduality & Meditations         

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27 minutes ago, Nahm said:

 

You are liberated are you not?

Why not say straight, yes there is no suffering after liberation?

Why pretend otherwise?

What are you hiding?

All those great sages that "attained" self realization had no problem directly saying that.

Edited by Hima Izumi

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@wavydude I think he's pointing out that it's relative to perspective.

At least that's how I took it.


We must not cease from exploration and at the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at the place where we began and to know the place for the first time.       --T.S Eliot

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4 minutes ago, wavydude said:

@Nahm What's wrong with thinking ?

I don’t know. 

1 minute ago, Hima Izumi said:

You are liberated are you not?

Why not say straight, yes there is no suffering after liberation?

Why pretend otherwise?

What are you hiding?

Yes, there is no suffering. The suffering is that someone else becomes liberated, that someone else is not being straight, that someone else is pretending, that someone else is hiding. That someone else, is suffering. 

It’s you though. 

 


  Nonduality & Meditations         

Empty your head, fulfill your heart       

 

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Just now, Nahm said:

I don’t know. 

Yes, there is no suffering. The suffering is that someone else becomes liberated, that someone else is not being straight, that someone else is pretending, that someone else is hiding. That someone else, is suffering. 

It’s you though. 

 

I know it's me.

And that's why I practice abiding as awareness 24/7 until I realize my true nature.

I am no interested in non-dual word games.

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@Hima Izumi They're kidding themselves if they think in human form that there is no suffering.

From the ego's perspective, suffering and non-suffering are dualities.  

Like i said, from God's perspective, the "no perspective" perspective, which is Being, all dualities collapse.

There is no suffering, it is liberation.

But being in a mystical state/non-dual state is not permanent until the idea of the physical body is gone.

From the perspective of the ego there will be always some type of suffering while the idea of our physical body exists.

But you will be much more conscious and will embrace all suffering and LOVE suffering as a fully enlightened being.

You can't walk around in a permanent non-dual GOD mode state forever, that is = to NO YOU=DEATH

 


We must not cease from exploration and at the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at the place where we began and to know the place for the first time.       --T.S Eliot

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13 minutes ago, Hima Izumi said:

You are liberated are you not?

Why not say straight, yes there is no suffering after liberation?

Why pretend otherwise?

What are you hiding?

All those great sages that "attained" self realization had no problem directly saying that.

This is your nondual word game. Pretending you are separate, and projecting the suffering on to someone else, to perpetuate your separateness. 

To continue believing your thought story of inferiority, victimhood,  of lessor-than, you project your thoughts, like, “great sages”. 

I am no sage. I’m you. 

Be careful, many will claim to be such things. Be careful of your own thought stories, which enable. 

 

 


  Nonduality & Meditations         

Empty your head, fulfill your heart       

 

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1 hour ago, Nahm said:

This is your nondual word game. Pretending you are separate, and projecting the suffering on to someone else, to perpetuate your separateness. 

To continue believing your thought story of inferiority, victimhood,  of lessor-than, you project your thoughts, like, “great sages”. 

I am no sage. I’m you. 

Be careful, many will claim to be such things. Be careful of your own thought stories, which enable. 

 

 

This is what I mean. I don't care about all that.

For me it's all about realizing  ur true nature (end of suffering as buddha said) or not.

And all that is done by practicing meditation.

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3 minutes ago, Hima Izumi said:

This is what I mean. I don't care about all that.

For me it's all about realizing  ur true nature (end of suffering as buddha said) or not.

And all that is done by practicing meditation.

Watch the breath. That's how the Buddah did it, and that's how I did it. 

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6 minutes ago, Hima Izumi said:

This is what I mean. I don't care about all that.

For me it's all about realizing  ur true nature (end of suffering as buddha said) or not.

And all that is done by practicing meditation.

Yes you die to God. There is no enlightenment before you dying during meditation. When time come you Will see it. 

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I consider myself to be Magical Enlightened Unicorn and The Greatest Sage of all times. 😂😂😂 How is that for a thought story. 

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@zeroISinfinity:):xD:o

 

 

 


We must not cease from exploration and at the end of all our exploring will be to arrive at the place where we began and to know the place for the first time.       --T.S Eliot

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25 minutes ago, zeroISinfinity said:

I consider myself to be Magical Enlightened Unicorn and The Greatest Sage of all times. 😂😂😂 How is that for a thought story. 

 

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The Matrix is everywhere, it is all around us, even now in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window, or you turn on your television. You can feel it when you go to work, when you go to church, when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth.

Morpheus (The Matrix)

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