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does it matter if you put your hands about 45 degrees from our body or do you have to put them up as in the video?

i did it for 20 min and my hands got very very tense ,felt as they were strongly squeezed and after i finished it took about 5+ min until they got back to normal ,pretty intense .

aside from that it was a really unique experience and ill sure do more of them

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@Cocolove @Ionaran Same i get a lot of resistance for that too, I do 2 hours meditation daily (kriya yoga and vipassana) and i have way more trouble/resistance doing 10-30 minutes of this, I did a few 10 minutes sessions like 6 months ago and just stopped after that, huge resistance

The most apparant sign of resistance for me was huge discomfort in the throat due to the breathing

I definitly think that it's the type of resistance that's indicating a really good thing that we don't want to do but would be so beneficial and should do, so I definitly want to get back to it, I'll start to experiment back with it in February for sure

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So i followed my words and tried it again a few days ago, and i've been doing one small session per day since then and will follow on that pace

I've been doing really small or mini session to ease my way into it and make it more comfortable though, what i did was just lie down and do at first just 2 minutes, I can already feel a lot of sensation (vibrating / tickling) after that, then observe the sensations for a few minutes, then again 1-a few minutes of breathing, then observe, and like this for one hour

It's way more easy to do and bring less resistance that way, and the effects are still great, I can feel a lot of sensations popping up, and my awareness / focus is increased a lot just after a few minutes of breathing, which gives me a really good meditaiton in that hour

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Is it dangerous and damage the brain? Someone mentioned in this thread and I would like to know

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This was my second time doing this technique properly. I did it the same way as the last time, 20 minutes with shamanic drumming music, and it also felt pretty much the same as then.

I couldn't breathe through my mouth the whole time so I alternated between breathing through my mouth and nose. After breathing for some time I felt like I couldn't continue anymore. I grabbed my phone and saw that only seven minutes had passed, there were thirteen left. I felt really exhausted and I wanted to stop, but I kept on breathing and it slowly became easier. It actually started to feel natural and almost enjoyable. The drumming music definitely helps to keep the rhythm. As I was breathing I felt a need to move my body.

After 20 minutes had passed I stopped and felt really high. Last time I was afraid that I was going to die or something, but now I knew the effects so I was able to just feel it. My mind was quiet and I felt really peaceful. I heard a buzzing sound. There was a hell of a lot of energy in my hands, also on my head. A weird circle of energy on my face was expanding and contracting. I noticed that I was squinting, looking at my nose lol.

I felt pretty relaxed, but I took a look at my hands and they were in this weird shape lifted above the floor, in some kind of spasm. There was energy especially in my little finger and ring finger, ecpecially in my right hand. I had a really weird feeling that there were some kind of plastic over my fingers that started to peel off from my fingertips.

I didn't notice any emotional release or weird thoughts, I just felt high. The effects lasted maybe about 15 minutes, and now, a few hours later, I feel completely normal. I was hoping for some kind of emotional release, but maybe it only happens when I do this technique for a longer period of time. Next time I'll try this five minutes longer and see if I find anything new.

 

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When I'm doing the technique, my breathing becomes slow and more forcefull after a while, spasmlike, and the experience becomes similar to what 5meo can do. Made a video of it, because I'm not sure if it would be more beneficial to just keep up the same breathing speed as in the beginning (the faster speed) when the breathing starts getting slower. (edit: video link removed)
Any thoughts? Letting the body do its thing seems to make sense, but the slow breath and bodies movement is different from how the technique was suggested to be done, so I don't know.

Edit; did it again, seems that at some point I go through a barrier of fear, In the beginning I want to stop when that starts, but then want to hang in there for just one second longer, and a second longer, and second longer, until the fear is noticed to lessen. Jeezz that's intense. Must be using the technique properly then after all lol

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how long are you guys able to do it for? I've done it about 15 times and still haven't gotten past 30 minutes. This morning I only got to 20 because I started feeling really nauseous.

 

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Anyone else find that this technique makes their throat hurt a lot and dry out their mouth really quickly? 


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@Cocolove  first time I did it 20 minutes, second time I wanted to make 40 minutes - but it turned out that is not easy and I failed ... haha I don't how people can handle and hour or 90 minutes, 2h ... (sick!), this weekend I will try to pass 30 minutes

@lmfao throat hurt - NO, a lot and dry out their mouth really quickly - Yes, that is natural symptom

I felt like my tendons tighten up, (not sure is that actually tendons, but seems like it) especially in palms, a little bit in legs and around belly.


QUESTIONS:

  • should I bulit up timelimit gradully or push my limits ?
  • breathing should be very deep, just deep or normal?
  • the pace: slow, normal or as fast as possible?


btw is this technic somehow connect to Wilhelm Reich and Alexander Lowen or not?

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@lmfao Yes definitly

I can't do more than 5 minutes without at least swallow a bit of saliva for now

 

@OmniYoga I would say gradually, especially if you can increase by 5 minutes each time it's not gonna take long for it to pass 30min

Breathing I woul say deep/normal and pace normal, but with no pause between inhale and exhale, definitly not as fast as possible, leo talks about those 2 in the video

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my 3th weekend
I set the timer for 40 minute , but around 25 minute I felt massive pain in my palms and I had to stop it breathing this way
I don't place my hands like Leo in the video, because it's not comfortable for me,
I place them aside from the body, something like being crossed, but slightly less angle not 90
maybe I should try different position for my hands? this one seems to too much unstable in long run, too much oxygen accumulated there or smt ? I don't know

how do you guys place your hands?

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On 4/9/2018 at 3:58 AM, Socrates said:

Wait a second, isn't this exactly the so called "runner's high"? We just recreate it on a home setting.

It makes perfect sense since when you run you have this exact same breathing pattern. 

Not at all. A runners high is actually extremely rare among runners. If you’ve ever done ecstasy, it’s like that. It’s a combination of like a true flow state and feeling you’re on ecstasy that’s the closest thing I can equate that to. It’s quite surreal. Usually after a pretty long period of intense exhaustion. Like you’re running in the mountains for the last hour and a half to 2 hours and you’re absolutely gassed and then all of a sudden a switch flips and you went from being ready to fall over to you’re not even tired and you’re flying. I’ve only had that happen once on that level.

This is very different. I honestly see this as almost like a shamanic exorcism of all the neurosis in the body held together by the egoic character structure as a lot of the ego is energetic holding patterns you could say. Or trapped energy. 

This is very similar to Reichian Therapy, bioenergetics, and also a more tame process to how Martin Ball talks about the ego and how to process and release energy.

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Noob sticking point:

I've been practicing this breathing for 5 weeks now, only on Sundays. 

1st session was 20 minutes straight!

2nd session was 25 minutes! 

At the third session something absurd happened. I lost all my gained stamina and i did only 5 minutes. 

4th session: 5 minutes again. Then i lost all energies and my body reacted very bad by giving me HARD SHAKING! 

5th session: i regained a bit of stamina. 9 minutes. Then the hard shaking made me stop. 

 

Why did i lose all the excellent stamina I had in the beginning? Why the shaking? 

Some of you have explanations? 


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7 minutes ago, OmniYoga said:

@billiesimon have you been traumatized earlier in life ?

Below 10 I don't know. 

At 12 my parents divorced and it's been very sad and damaging because they fought a lot in that year.

As a kid my self esteem was medium-low, but after the divorce it became definitely low and made me very neurotic. 

By the way, the shaking I experience is not continuous, but just 2-3 seconds, and as soon as I stop breathing it stops. 

Like some kind of soft way of the body to make me interrupt the breathwork. 


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Anyone feel more neurotic because of shamanic breathing? I’m assuming the trauma and neuotism has to get worse before it gets better... I’ve been doing it once a day for a couple weeks and I can tell energy is shifting around and coming to the surface but man my head gets fucked up sometimes (hours later and the next day) and I’m not sure if that means I should do more and plow through the trauma or take things more slowly. If shamanic breathing is my ticket out of this crazy monkey mind then I’m thinking about doubling down to 2 hours a day and getting this healing stuff over with as quickly as possible

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Holotropic breathwork #3

I took another seminar (or rather, a few days retreat) with two holotropic breathwork sessions. These sessions are 3 hours, but the intense breathing happens in the beginning and on an "as needed" basis, mostly the last hour or so I already relax. 

This time I really felt that what was happening was an altered state of consciousness, more than just bodily sensations going on. In the first session, there was not much explicit content, but in the first half, I could really let go, feel the freedom to let my body move as it pleases. The body moved mostly by itself, and I laughed wildly. I'm trying to remember and take away this sense of absolute freedom.  In the second half the feeling of being really safe and nurtured came along, I felt like a baby (I imagine). Yet there was some dark undertone, although I felt wonderful, the state didn't equate with the freedom I experienced before. I drew that after breathing as a baby surrounded by light-blue-greenish heaven, yet instead of the umbilical chord it has a chain (expressing dependence or conditional love perhaps). 

The second session was even more interesting. As I felt myself reaching an altered state, I remembered that one of my intentions was to try and see if I could get to the no self, so I asked myself "who is it, who has the intention get beyond all intentions?" I didn't get any profound insight, but again it felt like stuff started to happen by itself. It took just a few moments until a physical process started, very similar to my previous HB seminar: coughing mucus from the bottom of my lungs and purging deep old pain. At first I was just watching the process, in a weird state where I knew that this was happening with MY body and that there was despair going on in the body, but I really felt a sense of wonder, even wellness. Then, slowly, I re-engaged with what was happening, as I concentrated on helping the purging with more intense breathing. It was mostly physical with little imagination, but at some point, the image of an unwanted child came up. (I felt this unwanted child is my mother <= It's called transpersonal psychology for a reason ;))  The facilitators came to do bodywork with me. I had probably an hour-long "fight" with the facilitator pressing against my back, then at some point I was exhausted and the process slowed down and stopped. I had a beautiful meditation-relaxation for the rest of the session.

I feel sensitive after the seminar, plenty of rest is needed.  Sometimes nauseated. But mostly really good. It's a relief for sure. 

I think the method fits me extraordinarily well. 

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